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It sucks man,
I still have 1PassWord installed and I have never Used it since the day I bought it, Locally from the App Store. My Version is 6.8.9 which still supports Local Vaults, but If I want to transition to another computer I am unable to do so without paying Subscription fees which I do not like. If I want to open this vault anywhere else I am stuck using the Older version, which is no longer available from 1Password. I have only begun to add my accounts to the Local installation after many years of "owning" the software on the App store.
I have tried their 15 Day trial and I just don't like their Cloud model being forced, I understand this is good for Data Retention and Backup purposes but simply running 1Password to your Icloud Drive does the same thing, more or less. I have signed into my old version with 6.8.9 and it BY DEFAULT forces you to use the new Cloud-based 1PassWord vault, which you can then change after it has synced in the Options, so that it uses the Local Vault Only. Heres a screenshot:
By default, After you have signed into your 1Password account, the behavior of Sync vault defaults to the Cloud, Which will be unusable without a subscription active, In the local client.
It was really a great product,
And now it is a great alternative,
But you can use free software like Password Gorilla, Which is available for all platforms, Including Windows PC's. For Free.
I would rather use a Free local vault.
I have no Idea what I plan to do when my Mojave MacBook Pro Retina Mid-2012 is depreciated, because I can't justify a subscription to continue to use a web based password service. It is my firm opinion that password vaults should be local and maintained as a backup in the cloud, not a web-based frontend. And as far as I know, the Local Install of 1password will not work in Catalina, am I correct? If anyone knows.
As I was saying before,
There's no reason for me to use 1Password Locally with the old software 6.8.9 anymore, Because the latest versions of Chrome, Safari and Firefox all have 1Password plugins which as far as I know, do not support a local vault option anymore (And are all syncing to the subscription model it appears.) Unless anyone knows if theres a way around this, and to use the old Plugins somehow, If they are still available, let me know. I would appreciate it.
In the future, I may consider a 1Password subscription just cause of the time I've put into placing objects within the Local version, and the ease of use they make in syncing that up to their cloud, of course.
But in its current state is is effectively a useless, Local vault for me, I might as well just put all my passwords into Google Chrome or Firefox although this is in my opinion a tremendous security risk, It is not worth it for me to consider supporting 1Password.
And it's a damn shame cause like I said, I just started using the program after years of having it in the App store. I love it, it is very well written and elegant code. (I think I paid 20$ for it initially, or 25 or something.)
I would have to assume the Author of the software wanted experience porting his software into a web-based cloud model, not only for Monetary reasons, but for the experience given in such an undertaking, and I do love the terminal/command line nature of 1Password because you can practically implement it in anything, But damn them for going Subscription only.
There's no reason for me to use 1Password Locally with the old software 6.8.9 anymore, Because the latest versions of Chrome, Safari and Firefox all have 1Password plugins which as far as I know, do not support a local vault option anymore (And are all syncing to the subscription model it appears.) Unless anyone knows if theres a way around this, and to use the old Plugins somehow, If they are still available, let me know. I would appreciate it.
In the future, I may consider a 1Password subscription just cause of the time I've put into placing objects within the Local version, and the ease of use they make in syncing that up to their cloud, of course.
But in its current state is is effectively a useless, Local vault for me, I might as well just put all my passwords into Google Chrome or Firefox although this is in my opinion a tremendous security risk, It is not worth it for me to consider supporting 1Password.
And it's a damn shame cause like I said, I just started using the program after years of having it in the App store. I love it, it is very well written and elegant code. (I think I paid 20$ for it initially, or 25 or something.)
I would have to assume the Author of the software wanted experience porting his software into a web-based cloud model, not only for Monetary reasons, but for the experience given in such an undertaking, and I do love the terminal/command line nature of 1Password because you can practically implement it in anything, But damn them for going Subscription only.
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-I do not know what Password Gorilla is
-Best 1:1 alternative to 1password I found was Enpass . If you look around the internet you can find it at discounted prices but make sure you get the lifetime version not the subscription version.
Is Stongbox cross platform? I should check it out again just for fun.
After bailing on 1PWv7 I ended up using Codebook and happy with it. As I always have acknowledged 1PW is one of the most polished password managers out there, yet it has other insurmountable issues. My biggest single issue with them is how they went from Private Vaults ARE THE BESTEST!! to forget what we said for years, look into my eyes and RENT OUR VAULTS!
Codebook:
- Private vault via Dropbox
- Mac, iOS, PC, although the PC version and browsers other than Safari, needs a key combo to initiate it.
- All devices sync with dropbox (Other cloud storage available)
- No subscription.
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FWIW Strongbox’s sub now covers the iOS and macOS app together. Great news. I am a huge fan, been using it 4 months now. Zero issues. Don’t regret leaving 1P whatsoever.
Is Stongbox cross platform? I should check it out again just for fun.
After bailing on 1PWv7 I ended up using Codebook and happy with it. As I always have acknowledged 1PW is one of the most polished password managers out there, yet it has other insurmountable issues. My biggest single issue with them is how they went from Private Vaults ARE THE BESTEST!! to forget what we said for years, look into my eyes and RENT OUR VAULTS!
Codebook:
- Private vault via Dropbox
- Mac, iOS, PC, although the PC version and browsers other than Safari, needs a key combo to initiate it.
- All devices sync with dropbox (Other cloud storage available)
- No subscription.
I believe Strongbox is Apple only. Does Codebook have a mini assistant app I can invoke with a shortcut? this is very important for me. I also heard it does not import data very well or has issues.
I have been using Enpass, its like 1PW before they went corrupt. Its a bit unpolished, some shortcuts don't make sense, and it could really get better with autofill. I refuse to support corrupt businesses and will not let them bend my arm.
In combination, I use Bitwarden in the browser. Its much better at autofill than EnPass. Enpass developers although well intentioned seem like they have bitten more than they can chew, the autofill part seems complex and needs a big team behind it to perfect it. 1PW was flawless at this.
Honestly, I can go all Bitwarden if they had an assistant app. I do use passwords and call for information outside the browser. Their desktop app is in Electron I believe and therefor heavy to keep on all the time. I felt better about online password storage since the data is stored on my device and only gets uploaded in encrypted form. Combine that with Bitwarden being open source and many users, any problem with the code will be catched in no time...hopefully.
I had no issue importing my data into Codebook From 1PW.
It works with Safari offering you pass word suggestions, but for other browsers on the MacOS and for the PC, you use a shortcut to pull up a search window. If Codebook is not running, on the Pc you have to type in the master password first. When in my PC and I need o sign into Epic, I hit Shift \ a search window pops up, I type in Epic, it appears and I select it which then fills in the asked for data.
The 1password 7 license file was a link in the purchase mail. Guess what? The download site https://1password.onfastspring.com is gone and vaults are read only. Pretty lousy move to get people to move to their cloud product.
this is exact company tactics that made me move away from 1password , its not about the price, its about the attitude.
Not really, Enpass users seem on the smaller group I hardly find people use Enpass but what is good about Enpass is its the closest thing to what 1password used to be. It has local vault (or any cloud service you choose), license purchase (no subscription) , and its multiplatform it even has a linux version, and a very important feature for me is the assistant app which I can click a shortcut at any time and search for any info password I want (Bitwarden misses this).
The downside is its not as polished as 1password and autofill is not that great, bitwarden is actually better. I am hoping it gets better in the future but I am only hoping. There is a similar but more obscure option called Codebook but its users seem to love it. Please see first post of this thread to see which app fits you best, I use Enpass.
As for deals I suggest you search online by typing "Enpass deals" or "Enpass offers" , they seem to pop up around all the time. Make sure to get the 1-time license purchase and not the subscription lifetime purchase as this gives you only a cheaper subscription.
EDIT:- I do not recommend Codebook as I found out it only autofills in Safari browser and will not autofill in Firefox and Google Chrome or others.
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thanks for the detailed response.
i was a longtime 1password user but have just been using 6 forever and new mac so i cant use it. I did switch to self hosting bitwarden/vaultwarden on my own server which isnt really that difficult to get running if you can use docker.
Bitwarden does all the basics 1password did but the apps just not as polished, and i suppose i shouldnt expect it to be for a foss solution. I'd say its about 85% of the way there.
i'll look into a trial of enpass and see how that works for me.
Weird. Autofill is one of my favorite things about BW. On the web pages where the CC isn't filled correctly it's easy to populate it with the browser extension.
I tried to use the browser extension to fill in the CC info, and it put the security code in every field. I tried it on another site, and it did the same thing, so I have to just copy and paste each field. I haven't needed to pay on a site with a CC yet while trying SafeInCloud, but I am hoping that it works better. Its browser extension is not nearly as functional as Bitwarden's, which is disappointing, but the autofill is strong so far. In order to generate a password, I have to go back into the main app rather than do it in the extension like I can with Bitwarden, but I do like the generator in SafeInCloud much better.
Something wrong with your CC setup. It fills it for me just fine. I suggest you create a CC entry and fill it , use the new one and delete the old maybe it was not setup correct due to importing.
Bitwarden has a great feature that I do not think other password managers has and that is the Copy Custom Field option. If there is a weird or non-standard field, you can use this and add it to your "login" and insert the appropriate credentials and it will get it right next time
My problem is that it does not populate drop down menus sometimes, albeit I think there is a way to fix that.
How do you use Bitwarden without the browser extension? I thought you needed the extension to do the auto fill which I use the shortcut cmd+shift+L to do so now.
Yeah setting up docker is no go for the average user. Its just too complicated with running your own server etc etc.
I am sorry to tell you that the easiest to use most polished and best autofill is indeed 1password. That does not mean the others are bad, it means 1password is superior to them.
Unfortunately Enpass is the weakest when it comes to autofill and it is outright dumb sometimes (tried offering CC info in my router DNS entry). Currently I use a double setup, Enpass for the Assistant app and Bitwarden for the autofill in browsers.
I have strong feeling Bitwarden won't make an assistant app and will remain a cloud storage solution, so my hopes is Enpass because much better at autofill in the future.
Yeah, I believe you do need the extension for autofil. Some people don't like using extensions so I think you'd be stuck with the copy/paste method from either the desktop client or the web vault if you didn't use it.
yeah i dont expect anything out there will be as robust and user friendly as 1password has been for all these year, i just don't like not controlling my own data licensing aside.
so far i think bit warden self hosted is probably good enough for me but as you said it is a bit complex to setup for someone who isnt familiar with running a linux server and docker. right now i have my setup totally isolated only for my home network, and let the devices sync and they keep a store copy of the data on the go.
its awful without the extension, only way i can use it that makes it worthwhile.
For me there's rarely a reason to use it without the extension. They used to make you log into the web vault to export your database, but that's no longer the case.
Yeah if I knew how to do it I would have stored locally too, I am just don't and not sure how to update the bitwarden software itself not to mention if I mess up something my whole data will get corrupted
I am ok with reputable FOSS extensions, you do not want to stick in those commercial ones though for privacy reasons