1Password migrants thread

[Digital Dude]

I’ve been using 1Password since day one with the company, and it was great for the first 3-4 years. I was really into it back then, helping fellow owners, etc. Like many companies, they started adding features to address issues, and eventually, the software became convoluted and disjointed. I’m using both the standalone version and the online family plan. I’ve never figured out why I have both, but I just let it be for now.

 

[max2]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

 

[max2]

Yeah setting up docker is no go for the average user. Its just too complicated with running your own server etc etc.

I am sorry to tell you that the easiest to use most polished and best autofill is indeed 1password. That does not mean the others are bad, it means 1password is superior to them.

Unfortunately Enpass is the weakest when it comes to autofill and it is outright dumb sometimes (tried offering CC info in my router DNS entry). Currently I use a double setup, Enpass for the Assistant app and Bitwarden for the autofill in browsers.

I have strong feeling Bitwarden won't make an assistant app and will remain a cloud storage solution, so my hopes is Enpass because much better at autofill in the future.

I agree with this and may change from Enpass because of it but hopefully the developers can fix it soon!

Hopefully.

Otherwise I really like Enpass.

 

[LV426]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

They will be around for a while yet, because of inertia. With the impending use of PassKeys across the internet in the next year or so, they will have a hard time getting new subscribers.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

I doubt it. I think them and Bitwarden will be around for years. It's sad to see RememBear go, I don't like seeing apps fail.

 

[doobydoooby]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

Doubt it. They have backers with deep pockets who are wanting to see a return on their investment. They may tweak the model a bit.

 

[CubeApril]

Can’t see why they would die, they are making stacks of money with all their enterprise contracts.

 

[max2]

You all are right!

 

[maflynn]

Looks like Lastpass was hacked again, though the vendor states no user data was compromised.
Notice of Recent Security Incident

 

[MisterSavage]

Looks like Lastpass was hacked again, though the vendor states no user data was compromised.
Notice of Recent Security Incident

I was watching the last Bitwarden event and they referenced that. They said people are free to "take" their source code.

 

[hansmoleman]

In Codebook's defense, Codebook may not be known more than Enpass, but Zetetic is definitely known more than Enpass, as Zetetic was the company that basically started the entire password manager craze some 20 years ago, when they created STRIP, which was a password manager for the Palm Pilot. STRIP eventually became Codebook.

More than that, and what makes this even more serendipitous, is that Enpass relies on SQLCipher, which is FOSS and peer reviewed for handling AES encryption for SQLite databases.

Zetetic - the same company making codebook - originally developed and currently maintains SQLCipher. So they are all dependent on each other. Enpass can't operate without SQLCipher, just as Codebook can't operate without SQLCipher.

I'd trust the longevity of Codebook as well as Enpass right now over the current road path for 1Password.

BL.

I recognize that I'm replying to a year old post, but ... still relevant.

I can vouch for all you say above. STRIP (Secure Tool for Recalling Important Passwords) does indeed go all the way back to 1998. Pre-Zetetic, even.

Just for ha-has, here is STRIP 0.5i running on a PalmOS emulator. Blast from the past, and then some.
Here is also Crypt-Switch, which let you choose the encryption algorithm.

STRIP even had a random password generator. In 1998.

This is truly "where it all began" ... I can say I know several of the Zetetic folks, and you won't find any better.

So for those worried about viability.... I'd say it's not a concern.

 

[bradl]

Just heard about this one this morning on NPR, as apparently they are a sponsor for NPR.

Keeper Security: Password Management and Privileged Access Management (PAM) Solution

Manage credentials, secure sensitive data and stop online threats. Keeper is the top-rated password manager for individuals and Privileged Access Management (PAM) solution for businesses.

www.keepersecurity.com

Love the feel of the UI for this, and they even do comparisons to LastPass, Dashlane, 1Password, KeePass, Bitwarden, and a few others (sadly, they don’t compare to Enpass).

I’d jump on this instantly… if they had something standalone. Everything for them is subscription. It’s a pass for me right now, but if I had no choice but a subscription model, I’d probably go with this one over 1Password regardless. But this is definitely another alternative for everyone to consider.

BL.

 

[MisterSavage]

Hope this means good things for Bitwarden.

Daily Crunch: PSG, Battery Ventures invest $100M in open source password manager Bitwarden | TechCrunch

Hello, friends, and welcome to Daily Crunch, bringing you the most important startup, tech and venture capital news in a single package.

techcrunch.com

 

[maflynn]

I'm largely happy with Bitwarden, though I'm a bit wary of the news VC capital coming in. That can be a bad thing in one sense, as it means that the investor(s) will certainly want to maximize their return, and some decisions that made Bitwarden a popular decision could change

I'm not looking to change, its a solid product but its something to keep your eye out for.

 

[Alwis]

Thanks for the info...

But my first reaction is "oh not, not again" as VC was what made 1PW bad, as lest in my view.

 

[gigapocket1]

As I am switching everything away from iCloud out of security concerns.. I did give 1pass a try for the last few weeks.. Its honestly not bad... I hate having to pay for something like this... But I do feel that its worth it. I just wish I had something that was self hosted..

 

[maflynn]

iCloud out of security concerns

Not to derail this thread but what concerns do you have?

I hate having to pay for something like this.

I hear what you're saying but by the same token, if you don't pay for a product, then you are the product. I'm all for paying developers for their hard work. I truly hate the subscription model, but for what I get and the price that Bitwarden charges, its a no brainer for me.

 

[gigapocket1]

Not to derail this thread but what concerns do you have?


I hear what you're saying but by the same token, if you don't pay for a product, then you are the product. I'm all for paying developers for their hard work. I truly hate the subscription model, but for what I get and the price that Bitwarden charges, its a no brainer for me.

Basically that if my iCloud account becomes compromised, then they have access to everything. As well as the keychain access app on macs are not password protected.. (not the one in safari), but the actual app...

 

[gigapocket1]

Here's a video I ran across a couple of weeks ago.. Its not bible.. but it began my rabbit hole of research... as I'm in the process of moving EVERYTHING out of iCloud... and its not because I don't trust Apple.. I just want to control everything as much as possible..

 

[maflynn]

Here's a video I ran across a couple of weeks ago..

Thanks, that's informative and helpful

 

[MisterSavage]

I'm largely happy with Bitwarden, though I'm a bit wary of the news VC capital coming in. That can be a bad thing in one sense, as it means that the investor(s) will certainly want to maximize their return, and some decisions that made Bitwarden a popular decision could change

I'm not looking to change, its a solid product but its something to keep your eye out for.

I'm a little wary also. One of the devs did write this in their subreddit:

"Hi. As mentioned in the article, Bitwarden has already had VC investors for years. I think our track record to date shows how we operate in this relationship. We specifically choose partners that align with our vision, not just anyone that comes off the street wanting to throw money at us (though there are many). I am not sure what caused the downfall of LastPass, but this is not some takeover, buyout, or shift in our business plan by any means. I realize that actions speak louder than words, so we'll continue on as planned and hopefully you'll still be a happy customer years from now."

I hear what you're saying but by the same token, if you don't pay for a product, then you are the product. I'm all for paying developers for their hard work. I truly hate the subscription model, but for what I get and the price that Bitwarden charges, its a no brainer for me.

I usually agree with that concern, but Bitwarden also gets funds from their Enterprise customers. On their live events they've mentioned that the cheap personal sub price (and free plans) help attract new users.

 

[HDFan]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

I doubt it.

Agree.

Here's a video I ran across a couple of weeks ago.

A good point with a simple solution - use a longer password on your devices. Not a great reason not to use iCloud password management if you are so inclined assuming you are willing to accept the risk/usability tradeoff. I don't use it as I prefer 1Passwords' greater capabilities - compromised websites, reused passwords, etc.

As for passkeys, not sure I fully understand the implications but they will be supporting it:

We’ve joined the FIDO Alliance to build a better future for authentication | 1Password

1Password has joined the FIDO Alliance to help build safer, simpler, and faster login solutions for everyone.

blog.1password.com

 

[maflynn]

Does anyone think 1Password will die ?

Why?

This thread was started by someone who was unhappy with the subscription model, and business changes that impacts their perpetual license. Additionally some people don't like the use of Electron to build the app. I'm not marginalizing those concerns, I myself moved off of 1Password, but I don't see them suddenly going out of business. They're one of the major password manager companies.

I usually agree with that concern, but Bitwarden also gets funds from their Enterprise customers. On their live events they've mentioned that the cheap personal sub price (and free plans) help attract new users.

I hope so, I think its an excellent product.

 

[MacBH928]

Looks like Lastpass was hacked again, though the vendor states no user data was compromised.
Notice of Recent Security Incident

I was watching the last Bitwarden event and they referenced that. They said people are free to "take" their source code.

In complete honesty, if the users are not harmed why does it even bother any one how many times they get hacked? no damage done. None the less not good image for a security company. I wonder if others get hacked and keep quite about it.

I recognize that I'm replying to a year old post, but ... still relevant.

I can vouch for all you say above. STRIP (Secure Tool for Recalling Important Passwords) does indeed go all the way back to 1998. Pre-Zetetic, even.

Just for ha-has, here is STRIP 0.5i running on a PalmOS emulator. Blast from the past, and then some.
Here is also Crypt-Switch, which let you choose the encryption algorithm.

STRIP even had a random password generator. In 1998.

This is truly "where it all began" ... I can say I know several of the Zetetic folks, and you won't find any better.

So for those worried about viability.... I'd say it's not a concern.

I skipped on Codebook. The GUI is meh , the app feels like a side project to them, works only with Safari, I didn't figure out how to make it fill more than user logins (forms are important to me), I did not understand how it magically autofills fields since it has no extension and required extra permissions from the System Preferences.

There is nothing special with this app and a lot of limits.

Just heard about this one this morning on NPR, as apparently they are a sponsor for NPR.

Keeper Security: Password Management and Privileged Access Management (PAM) Solution

Manage credentials, secure sensitive data and stop online threats. Keeper is the top-rated password manager for individuals and Privileged Access Management (PAM) solution for businesses.

www.keepersecurity.com

Love the feel of the UI for this, and they even do comparisons to LastPass, Dashlane, 1Password, KeePass, Bitwarden, and a few others (sadly, they don’t compare to Enpass).

I’d jump on this instantly… if they had something standalone. Everything for them is subscription. It’s a pass for me right now, but if I had no choice but a subscription model, I’d probably go with this one over 1Password regardless. But this is definitely another alternative for everyone to consider.

BL.

I believed I mentioned this one before. But more than the app itself, I always have to trust the people behind the app and I have yet to have a reason to trust those people. The app seems obscure and the company unknown to most.

 

[maflynn]

if the users are not harmed why does it even bother any one how many times they get hacked?

I think its important to know, as a customer or a potential customer to consider if there's a pattern. While this latest hack may not have access customer data, my concern is that this keeps happening. Do I want to stay with a security company that seems to be so lax that bad actors seem to gain access every few years?

I wonder if others get hacked and keep quite about it.

I believe (at least in the US) you are legally bound to notify users that their data may have been compromised. Plus if companies sweep it under the rug to hide it and then word gets out later, it would be orders of magnatude worse, and could open themselves up to lawsuits