1Password migrants thread

[bradl]

Let me turn this thread around for a second and ask this from the opposite direction.

For other password managers, can you export your data so it can be imported into 1Password? I know that backwards compatibility might be a problem, but if it could be exported to a format that every password manager could read, I'm pondering using 1P6 for longterm storage and stored remotely where I can have physical access to it incase of disaster, while using something new going forward.. That would give me the best of both worlds for now.

Thoughts?

BL.

 

[MisterSavage]

Let me turn this thread around for a second and ask this from the opposite direction.

For other password managers, can you export your data so it can be imported into 1Password? I know that backwards compatibility might be a problem, but if it could be exported to a format that every password manager could read, I'm pondering using 1P6 for longterm storage and stored remotely where I can have physical access to it incase of disaster, while using something new going forward.. That would give me the best of both worlds for now.

Thoughts?

BL.

I would never select a password manager that doesn't let you export your data so that it could be imported elsewhere. I know that Bitwarden lets you export as csv, json, and encrypted json.

 

[bradl]

I would never select a password manager that doesn't let you export your data so that it could be imported elsewhere. I know that Bitwarden lets you export as csv, json, and encrypted json.

Cool. CSV will do. so if I migrate or update, I can export to either CSV, LastPass format, or something similar to import into 1P6, and store that somewhere offsite. That way I could take my MBA to that offsite place, sync those, export the vault to that disk, and keep it current. Or even better, keep my current MBA there and use the entire MBA as disaster recovery.

BL.

 

[ignatius345]

If 1password employees actually scan the web and make sure their autofill works correctly on each website then I might consider the rent because thats an ongoing service to make my life better. But does it really work like that?

I'm not a web developer but I don't imagine going site by site is the most efficient way to do it -- more likely I'd imagine they keep up on the different trends in site design and make sure 1Password is compatible with those? Someone better informed would have to weigh in on that, but I do find that site compatibility seems to keep up or improve over time.

 

[chickenpiccata]

I'm not a web developer but I don't imagine going site by site is the most efficient way to do it -- more likely I'd imagine they keep up on the different trends in site design and make sure 1Password is compatible with those? Someone better informed would have to weigh in on that, but I do find that site compatibility seems to keep up or improve over time.

I've seen some change reports in which they include a fix for a specific web site. I suspect that they do follow trends but also do fixes for individual sites as needed.

 

[macintoshmac]

That's fantastic news! I didn't want to believe it, but their last blog posts are from 2018, and they haven't touched twitter since 2017?

Funnily they are active enough on their support and forum pages than what the website updation schedules and social media would suggest. 😂

 

[MacBH928]

mSecure is not dead, it is very much alive and v6 will be out soon. I am trying to get on the beta versions of those to test them out.

That's fantastic news! I didn't want to believe it, but their last blog posts are from 2018, and they haven't touched twitter since 2017?

exactly this, when I saw the blog post I was like "Nope! out of here" . The problem with online you can not tell if something is active or not. Some awesome looking website is a dead project from 5 years, other websites that look like it was forgotten about since it was last uploaded in 1996 is the site of the conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway.

Another vote for Enpass. Been using it for years. I was grandfathered in with a lifetime licence when they went to the subscription model. Glad to hear they are back to offering the lifetime licence again.

glad to hear, I am eyeing this one. I am thinking of purchasing a license out of support although I am not planning to leave 1password just yet, as it will be about another 1 or 2 years before I upgrade my computer.

Let me turn this thread around for a second and ask this from the opposite direction.

For other password managers, can you export your data so it can be imported into 1Password? I know that backwards compatibility might be a problem, but if it could be exported to a format that every password manager could read, I'm pondering using 1P6 for longterm storage and stored remotely where I can have physical access to it incase of disaster, while using something new going forward.. That would give me the best of both worlds for now.

Thoughts?

BL.

I think all password manager export the data to a common format, maybe Keychain does not!?
I am glad 1password has the option and I think it should be a law that software should allow a person to export his data. I mean imagine if Google will not let you export your data, you will be stuck with them forever.

 

[MacBH928]

I'm not a web developer but I don't imagine going site by site is the most efficient way to do it -- more likely I'd imagine they keep up on the different trends in site design and make sure 1Password is compatible with those? Someone better informed would have to weigh in on that, but I do find that site compatibility seems to keep up or improve over time.

I've seen some change reports in which they include a fix for a specific web site. I suspect that they do follow trends but also do fixes for individual sites as needed.

I too recall reading a per-site fixes and I thought that was awesome of them(1Password)! but the way -I think- it works is that someone will report that the autofill doesnt work here so they fix it, they do not actually roam the internet to find where it does not work.

I wonder if other password managers give similar fixes.

 

[johnb1968]

I too recall reading a per-site fixes and I thought that was awesome of them(1Password)! but the way -I think- it works is that someone will report that the autofill doesnt work here so they fix it, they do not actually roam the internet to find where it does not work.

I wonder if other password managers give similar fixes.

I assume Enpass does something similar since they're so similar in functionality (even if they're not quite as smooth and elegant as 1P) but I'm not sure.

 

[spacemnspiff]

I still use paid 1Password 4 on my desktop with free Dropbox sync. It syncs two phones and a single desktop because of the Dropbox limitation.

Any downsides to sticking with iP4?

 

[BigMcGuire]

I followed this to get my 1Password database into KeePassXC oh Mac OS - https://sts10.github.io/2017/06/27/keepassxc-setup-guide.html

I then put the database in iCloud and was able to open it between two MacBooks - so that's cool. Now to find some way of accessing that database with iPhone then I'd be golden.

 

[bradl]

I still use paid 1Password 4 on my desktop with free Dropbox sync. It syncs two phones and a single desktop because of the Dropbox limitation.

Any downsides to sticking with iP4?

Not except the same problem I have, with 1Password 6. At some point, do you plan on upgrading your Mac (I'm assuming you're on a Mac)? If so, once Apple does away with Intel in their lineup, you'll have no choice but Apple Silicon. And if Rosetta goes away prior to your upgrade, you're stuck as your license may not work on 1Password 7.

Right now, we're stuck with no viable upgrade path that doesn't require a subscription and losing control of the location of your vault.

BL.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I just paid the 10 bucks a year for bitwarden. I have to say, this is really nice. I am not opposed to subs that are reasonably priced for what you get. This is one of those. 1password's prices? No.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I just paid the 10 bucks a year for bitwarden. I have to say, this is really nice. I am not opposed to subs that are reasonably priced for what you get. This is one of those. 1password's prices? No.

Bitwarden doesn’t get the recognition it deserves. The same goes for Strongbox. I think many just automatically go with 1password because of forum tradition.

 

[macintoshmac]

I followed this to get my 1Password database into KeePassXC oh Mac OS - https://sts10.github.io/2017/06/27/keepassxc-setup-guide.html

I then put the database in iCloud and was able to open it between two MacBooks - so that's cool. Now to find some way of accessing that database with iPhone then I'd be golden.

Looking at ending your relationship with 1Password?

 

[macintoshmac]

I just paid the 10 bucks a year for bitwarden. I have to say, this is really nice. I am not opposed to subs that are reasonably priced for what you get. This is one of those. 1password's prices? No.

Bitwarden doesn’t get the recognition it deserves. The same goes for Strongbox. I think many just automatically go with 1password because of forum tradition.

Bitwarden is great, but seems limited in terms of types of data allowed. At minimum, I am looking for the simplicity of ‘passwords’ type:

In 1Password, all generated passwords go into ‘Passwords’ section unless you categorise them elsewhere. As such, I have some passwords here that are not titled and prefer them that way.. this can’t be done in Bitwarden.

It is also entirely possible this is bad practice and 1Password spoiled me on it, but it is incredibly convenient and the trust I have that if my password isn’t in Login section for any reason, it is going to be in Passwords, is very reassuring. In fact, every new password generated gets its own entry in Passwords section. Enpass and Bitwarden are designed similar to each other here in functionality, they both make it harder than it needs to be to view changed passwords on websites and impossible to have passwords without a title and website.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Looking at ending your relationship with 1Password?

Over the last few days I asked my 1Password family members if they use 1Password. Every single one of them said no. (Sister, mother in law, wife, brother). So... no point in paying for 1Password family. <sigh>.

I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least import the database into KeePassXC for backup purposes - wow it works really well. I was able to open it between two Macs while having the database in iCloud (making sure to close it on one before opening it on the other). Just doing this for backup purposes for now.

StrongBox is looking really attractive (specifically for iCloud sync). We'll see... I may just end up using KeePassXC and Keychain especially with the next iOS updates to keychain.

 

[macintoshmac]

Over the last few days I asked my 1Password family members if they use 1Password. Every single one of them said no. (Sister, mother in law, wife, brother). So... no point in paying for 1Password family. <sigh>.

I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least import the database into KeePassXC for backup purposes - wow it works really well. I was able to open it between two Macs while having the database in iCloud (making sure to close it on one before opening it on the other). Just doing this for backup purposes for now.

StrongBox is looking really attractive (specifically for iCloud sync). We'll see... I may just end up using KeePassXC and Keychain especially with the next iOS updates to keychain.

That moment when you’re paying for a family subscription (no less!) and realise that nobody except you is using it!

 

[macintoshmac]

Over the last few days I asked my 1Password family members if they use 1Password. Every single one of them said no. (Sister, mother in law, wife, brother). So... no point in paying for 1Password family. <sigh>.

I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least import the database into KeePassXC for backup purposes - wow it works really well. I was able to open it between two Macs while having the database in iCloud (making sure to close it on one before opening it on the other). Just doing this for backup purposes for now.

StrongBox is looking really attractive (specifically for iCloud sync). We'll see... I may just end up using KeePassXC and Keychain especially with the next iOS updates to keychain.

If you do not have a Windows or Android device in the mix, then I suggest you use iCloud Passwords as primary and a backup with Strongbox or any other, such as Secrets or even Minimalist.

If you do have a Windows or Android device in the mix, then things can get a touch more complicated.

 

[macintoshmac]

@BigMcGuire Big Mac, I have been thinking, the solutions that look and work half-good (Minimalist, Secrets, Strongbox) are Apple-only products. My main devices are Apple products - MacBook and iPhone. I need passwords on Android occasionally when I use the device for logging into Gmail on the device or something similar.

What if I were to use one of these solutions, and just use another solution on Android where I can import the full database one-time? Future entries or changes done on the running databases (Apple devices) can be reconstructed on the Android device manually, that would not take a lot of my time per se.

What would you think about such a way out? I am now thinking of this way out because the solutions I mentioned above look and seem to work very well and appropriately in the Apple system and that is where 99.9% of my time is spent. I need passwords on Android infrequently, at max once a couple of weeks, so I can do with a solution that can import the entire thing once and then I can make manual changes to it.

In other words, I do not need syncing, in that case.

I will, of course, have to give them all a try once to see how they handle changing passwords and storing passwords without titles and URLs like 1Password allows me to. What do you think?



EDIT: Importing content into Strongbox did not import TOTPs. Bummer. It is great, but will require me to get the TOTPs again, that's it.

EDIT: Secrets seems very, very good but has a quirk I will diagnose further. I imported 1PIF into it. Next time I opened, there was nothing inside. It might have to do with the fact that free version allows importing 10 items and I had a file with 246, and it showed that import failed but showed me the first 10 items. There does not seem to be a password generator you could use inside Safari while changing passwords.

EDIT: Minimalist seems great, with few issues of its own. Has a limit of 10 items for free but imported all 246 items. I do not appreciate even happiness bugs in a software so important as a password manager. Next, cannot select all entries or even multiple entries to delete or for anything. It will get your TOTP incorrect if it has anything other than the code. Looks like you cannot key in more than 1 website to attach the login to.


Out of these three options, I would say Strongbox is the strongest contender. I will install it again. However, the Pro Trial does not seem to work!

 

[MisterSavage]

I just paid the 10 bucks a year for bitwarden. I have to say, this is really nice. I am not opposed to subs that are reasonably priced for what you get. This is one of those. 1password's prices? No.

I paid for the premium pretty quickly after trying it a few weeks ago. No regrets.

Bitwarden is great, but seems limited in terms of types of data allowed. At minimum, I am looking for the simplicity of ‘passwords’ type:

In 1Password, all generated passwords go into ‘Passwords’ section unless you categorise them elsewhere. As such, I have some passwords here that are not titled and prefer them that way.. this can’t be done in Bitwarden.

It is also entirely possible this is bad practice and 1Password spoiled me on it, but it is incredibly convenient and the trust I have that if my password isn’t in Login section for any reason, it is going to be in Passwords, is very reassuring. In fact, every new password generated gets its own entry in Passwords section. Enpass and Bitwarden are designed similar to each other here in functionality, they both make it harder than it needs to be to view changed passwords on websites and impossible to have passwords without a title and website.

I actually hated that "passwords" section. I found that I had dups where some entries in my "Logins" section also had entries "Passwords". It was even more fun when they didn't match because I had updated one. I remember finally getting around to cleaning up that section and then always being careful to delete any that were added there.

Over the last few days I asked my 1Password family members if they use 1Password. Every single one of them said no. (Sister, mother in law, wife, brother). So... no point in paying for 1Password family. <sigh>.

I know this pain. When 1Password 7 was released I bought it for several family members as a gift. When I explained the new policy that will require a subscription it was met mostly with a shoulder shrug because they don't use the app. At least I got through to my mom about a password manager. I'm going to help her migrate to Bitwarden.

 

[BigMcGuire]

@BigMcGuire Big Mac, I have been thinking, the solutions that look and work half-good (Minimalist, Secrets, Strongbox) are Apple-only products. My main devices are Apple products - MacBook and iPhone. I need passwords on Android occasionally when I use the device for logging into Gmail on the device or something similar.

What if I were to use one of these solutions, and just use another solution on Android where I can import the full database one-time? Future entries or changes done on the running databases (Apple devices) can be reconstructed on the Android device manually, that would not take a lot of my time per se.

What would you think about such a way out? I am now thinking of this way out because the solutions I mentioned above look and seem to work very well and appropriately in the Apple system and that is where 99.9% of my time is spent. I need passwords on Android infrequently, at max once a couple of weeks, so I can do with a solution that can import the entire thing once and then I can make manual changes to it.

In other words, I do not need syncing, in that case.

I will, of course, have to give them all a try once to see how they handle changing passwords and storing passwords without titles and URLs like 1Password allows me to. What do you think?



EDIT: Importing content into Strongbox did not import TOTPs. Bummer. It is great, but will require me to get the TOTPs again, that's it.

EDIT: Secrets seems very, very good but has a quirk I will diagnose further. I imported 1PIF into it. Next time I opened, there was nothing inside. It might have to do with the fact that free version allows importing 10 items and I had a file with 246, and it showed that import failed but showed me the first 10 items. There does not seem to be a password generator you could use inside Safari while changing passwords.

EDIT: Minimalist seems great, with few issues of its own. Has a limit of 10 items for free but imported all 246 items. I do not appreciate even happiness bugs in a software so important as a password manager. Next, cannot select all entries or even multiple entries to delete or for anything. It will get your TOTP incorrect if it has anything other than the code. Looks like you cannot key in more than 1 website to attach the login to.


Out of these three options, I would say Strongbox is the strongest contender. I will install it again. However, the Pro Trial does not seem to work!

I am lucky in the fact that my work got me a MBP this year, so I have a personal MBP, work MBP, and iPhone. So the first time in my life, I'm technically 100% Apple. (I use Parallels for Windows to run Visual Studio).

I'm finding that the iCloud solutions aren't perfect. For example, Diarly - I've gotten that app to crash dozens and dozens of times (not due to the fault of the app, but iCloud and the way it syncs). There's a reason why these apps stopped using iCloud to sync - it's not great for syncing - it syncs when it wants to and sometimes won't for hours for no reason - resulting in corrupted data (Notability has this problem).

Yeah, if you're not 100% Apple - that changes what you need completely. Yeah, at this point, personally, I'm just looking at having separate KeePassXC databases because I'm so tired of subscriptions. But I'm REALLY going to miss that syncing, especially if I need to change passwords/create new ones. In your case, I might even consider a 1Password personal account because 1Password works great. (I'm still using mine - I have the family subscription till January 2022).

Bitwarden looks really nice too.

 

[macintoshmac]

I would refrain from using Enpass, they have showed to be very unproffesional not addressing some bug that causes you to have some Enpass files associated to your Apple ID FOREVER, even when you disable it, uninstall it, or delete your account.

I have the file on my mac iCloud files, and there is no way to remove it. On their forum there are post from years ago, all closed because they don’t know how to fix it. I opened another one months ago, and nothing, they say they are working on it, but I doubt they actually are. As I said, I found them pretty unprofesional.

You can find more info about this on several threads on their forum just like this:

How can I completely remove enpass from the Apps That Can Look You Up in iCloud? (Non only deselect)

Hi I reinstalled a fresh Mac os Mojave, removed the Enpass iCloud sync and removed the app also from the iPhone but I still have this in iCloud settings: 7adb8cc6tf.in.sinew.walletx in the Apps That Can Look You Up. How can I remove it completely? Thanks

discussion.enpass.io

Or this one:
https://discussion.enpass.io/index.php?/topic/27455-cannot-delete-icloud-file-xxxxinsinewwalletx/

By the way, let me suggest you to search for open source alternatives. There are a few pretty good ones.

I just posted a long comment there. One can hope they get their heads out of wherever they have them and get down to fixing this. This is between them and Apple, not users. Anyway, I can only recommend to share feedback about the app with Apple, hoping they are able to get to them.

 

[macintoshmac]

I am lucky in the fact that my work got me a MBP this year, so I have a personal MBP, work MBP, and iPhone. So the first time in my life, I'm technically 100% Apple. (I use Parallels for Windows to run Visual Studio).

I'm finding that the iCloud solutions aren't perfect. For example, Diarly - I've gotten that app to crash dozens and dozens of times (not due to the fault of the app, but iCloud and the way it syncs). There's a reason why these apps stopped using iCloud to sync - it's not great for syncing - it syncs when it wants to and sometimes won't for hours for no reason - resulting in corrupted data (Notability has this problem).

Yeah, if you're not 100% Apple - that changes what you need completely. Yeah, at this point, personally, I'm just looking at having separate KeePassXC databases because I'm so tired of subscriptions. But I'm REALLY going to miss that syncing, especially if I need to change passwords/create new ones. In your case, I might even consider a 1Password personal account because 1Password works great. (I'm still using mine - I have the family subscription till January 2022).

Bitwarden looks really nice too.

I have my 1Password till January 2022 as well. Personal sub.

 

[johnb1968]

If you do not have a Windows or Android device in the mix, then I suggest you use iCloud Passwords as primary and a backup with Strongbox or any other, such as Secrets or even Minimalist.

If you do have a Windows or Android device in the mix, then things can get a touch more complicated.

Yeah... That was my dilemma. I needed to accommodate both. So I opted for Enpass.