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I can't figure out how to remove the messed up import files on the Mac version that has now synced to the phone. I can't get anything to show.
edit. Had to turn off sync on both devices, delete the app folder in the cloud and then reinstall apps.
edit. Had to turn off sync on both devices, delete the app folder in the cloud and then reinstall apps.
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Well, MSecure will switch to a subscription Model with the next version (see https://support.msecure.com/de/support/discussions/topics/36000014315/page/3?url_locale=de). For MSecure 5 there was no update since a year now in the Mac App Store.
After messing around with mSecure for the last hour, I find it very rudimentary and clunky to use, compared to Bitwarden and Strongbox. There aren't a lot of options when creating an entry. I find the password generator to be lacking as well. From what I see with version 5, there is no way I would pay for a subscription with version 6 at some point. For the price ($15), it is nothing more than ok. I am not impressed.
1password is not just a simple, small app. It's made by a well sized company with very talented, hard working people who all really care for their product. If you hand over your (financial) life to a company you should chose the best, not the cheapest.
As someone else here said: alternatively you can store your passwords in a spreadsheet (or simple text file) for free. You can put that spreadsheet on an encrypted, mountable partition (dmg), and keep a backup on iCloud or wherever.
As someone else here said: alternatively you can store your passwords in a spreadsheet (or simple text file) for free. You can put that spreadsheet on an encrypted, mountable partition (dmg), and keep a backup on iCloud or wherever.
Indeed. And if this thread proves nothing else it is that saving money means a product that is far less polished, has fewer features, requires more time to do the same things and so on.
There are few subscriptions I consider but a password manager is one of them. I want to pay because I want them to be incentivised to deliver the best product they can whilst also being focused on protecting the information I give them.
Generally true but does not apply at all to Bitwarden. Their code is open source so flaws could be pointed out by the many experts that end up looking at it. It's also been audited. After attending several of their public events it's obvious to me their employees are passionate about their product. It's one of the reasons I chose them. A lot of people would be fine with the free product but I paid the $10 for premium to support them and get the extra features.
Who then said: "Yahhh let's use POS Electron and Rust cause its cool" then they said, lets put EVERYONES password online cause that never gets breached.
It looks like there's an updated TestFlight to address the crashes with Bitwarden in the iOS 15 beta.
In my country, 1Password comes at roughly USD 15 a year for personal use. It is a tough competition between Bitwarden and 1Password. I have been trying to use Bitwarden more and more since a few days.
There are things I miss, but I am trying to work them out with Bitwarden.
One of my key criteria is
- Find out who the developer is. Are they a registered company? Am I in trouble if the developer dies? Is there a physical address? Could they have an allegiance to a foreign power? In particular where my very private information is concerned.
With Bitwarden being OSS, you can either grab a pre-compiled binary, or grab the source and compile it yourself, so it will always be native for any machine you put it on.
Open Source Password Manager | Bitwarden
Bitwarden is an open-source password manager that is committed to ensuring source code transparency as a primary requirement for security solutions.
bitwarden.com
BL.
I think it's an Electron app also.
Any Chance of a Native Non-electron Desktop app?
The download size of Bitwarden for Windows waws 694 kB. Less than one megabyte. It was allocated some 90MB of RAM when running. I don’t know how much it actually uses of that. But it is hard to see how that would be a resource hog in any sense. Again, the benefits of a native app are very...
community.bitwarden.com
I think it's an Electron app also.
Any Chance of a Native Non-electron Desktop app?
The download size of Bitwarden for Windows waws 694 kB. Less than one megabyte. It was allocated some 90MB of RAM when running. I don’t know how much it actually uses of that. But it is hard to see how that would be a resource hog in any sense. Again, the benefits of a native app are very...
It is.
desktop/README.md at master · bitwarden/desktop
The desktop vault (Windows, macOS, & Linux). Contribute to bitwarden/desktop development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
BL.
There are 8 billion people in the world, many new customers to gain plus current customers can always pay for the upgrades. IP7 not necessarily working on Monteray or Win11, or iOS15 or 17.
One time purchase, then special discount for upgrading users is the model I feel is best and fair.
CarbonCopyCloner is using this model, I do not see them going bankrupt. CCC is also restrictively Mac, no Linux/Windows/iOS/Android options , so their user base is even much less. I will also guess that doing a backup software that supports multi operating system is more complex than a password manager, but I am only guessing. DiskWarrior is another application surviving since like the 80s on this model, company still exists with updated software, my only guess they find it profitable enough to do so.
Each company has the choice to do whatever they want though, some lead to their demise some succeed.
Who was talking about cheap? I paid like $80 twice over the years. I do not know fi that is considered cheap but that is nearing a Windows license price I think?!
but greed is asking $36 yearly forever or they stop the app from functioning.
to each his own. There are many people using LastPass, EnPass, Bitwarden and equally happy.
The bold is the problem; for if they lose the information you give them, or that information that you have given them is compromised in any way, that puts you at risk, not just them. That is the telling lack with all of this and also trusting that those who have been willingly given information can keep it from being compromised.
If anything, T-Mobile just recently proved how much of a problem that can be, especially now that a few million people now have to get fraud monitoring services purchased to make sure their information wasn't maliciously or fraudulently used.
Agreed. In the world of Conquer, Fortify, Domesticate, new users are who have been brought in. They are fortified with a robust application that can be used over the years to their satisfaction, to where they are domesticated by being repeat customers to that company.
Going after only repeat customers while missing out on the new ones is not a business model that will lead to success. New customers are what is needed, while you supplement the revenue from those new customers with the revenue that comes from repeat customers.
Absolutely agreed.
This is where we'll see what AgileBits does. They may get by, but it will be at a cost; and seeing how vocal those repeat customers are, it could be a very big cost.
Exactly our point. If I have a functioning application with a license for it, why ask for repeat payments monthly, forever, with the consequence of not only a non-functioning application, but the loss of your data forever, that is now in their control. In effect, they will own your data, not you.
Which is why people are looking at alternatives, because this is not necessarily going over well for 1Password.
BL.
Indeed, applies to every company and every website you give your information to. There is always a risk it will be compromised.
The number of people that believe they have not been compromised in any way and I show them the results from https://haveibeenpwned.com/ using their email address is significant. Using something like 1Password is not a guarantee it is risk mitigation.
There is no increased protection in any other similar service discussed here. At any time one of them could be exploited.
This thread has not been born out of concerns around 1Password or their ability, it is about price, nothing more.
Use what you feel comfortable with and are willing to pay for, or not as the case may be.
I presume your just trolling here but in the event that your serious:
1Password's customers response to the Version 8 announcement was so bad that Agilebits shutdown their own thread on reddit to stop the adverse comments and complaints "This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/1Password New comments cannot be posted"
The problems with 1Password are not about price:
- NOW MANDATORY : keep my data on the developers honeypot server. (my data on a developers server at my risk - no thanks). I appreciate lots of people don't think this is a problem and that's OK - its your data to risk if you want.
- CAN NO LONGER SYNC via icloud, dropbox, webdav, etc if I choose. Yes, I know these are cloud service but at least its just my own Dropbox or whatever - not a honeypot commercial target full of millions of users data.
- NO OPTION to buy License purchase. Happy to buy new licences when warranted. No subscription payments - I am not happy to pay every month for fluff features that do nothing for me.
- WORSE PERFORMANCE AND LESS SECURE : 1P v8 is a demonstrably (read the reddit thread) worse performing Electron app with a bigger attack surface.
For those staying with 1P good luck - your going to need it.
The opening post in this thread.
You can develop it into whatever you want but the intention of the thread was about the cost, nothing more.
So to accuse me of trolling says more about you.
@MacBH928 would you kindly help clarify your intention to start the thread? It’s very important in the scheme of things, apparently.