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See, the big problem about that is that the current state of technology allows for us to have a 2-1 device without the compromises of iPad. Don't say this can't be done within the weight of the 12.9 inch iPad Pro. Adding 10 key features, including optional mouse support in e.g. productivity apps (office and also Safari) would be a great start. People are buying a special mouse for their iPads already to survive using VPN/Citrix. Of course they shouldn't have to. We don't even need Mac OS on iPad - we just need it to be further developed without being Mac OS.
There are always compromises, just the ones you can live with and the ones you can't.

Even a 2-in-1 device like the surface pro isn't free of them. You are simply trading one set of compromises for another. You want the best of both worlds, you get the worst of both worlds as well.

For me, I like my iPad the way it is - a pure tablet experience unencumbered by the burden of having to replicate the traditional laptop experience in its entirety.
 
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As someone who has 3 iPads, the 12.9 Gen 2, 9.7 Pro and the Mini 4 I couldn't disagree more with the OP. My Macbook Pro sits not used 95% of the time. If I'm not presenting, consuming or working on my iPads I'm on a well powered PC rig 3D modelling.

For me it is not that the iPad is bad, it's that Apple laptops and desktops offer so little value for the power they have, to me it's an app and iBook production machine which I only update those annually as hobby projects. As soon as Apple have iBooks Creator/Publisher and Xcode on the iPad then I could be done with Mac OS.
 
This threads reminds me of my own from over a year ago; https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...pad-ive-ever-owned-within-six-months.1964676/

iPads are not for everyone, that's for sure. I briefly considered buying the 10.5" which with iOS 11 does have some nice new tricks, but in the end it is the same form factor as any iPad with comparable limitations.

My 15" MBP still renders an iPad useless or at least makes it not more than a gadget which for me doesn't do it. Oh well, we'll see when I contradict myself and buy another one.
 
This threads reminds me of my own from over a year ago; https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...pad-ive-ever-owned-within-six-months.1964676/

iPads are not for everyone, that's for sure. I briefly considered buying the 10.5" which with iOS 11 does have some nice new tricks, but in the end it is the same form factor as any iPad with comparable limitations.

My 15" MBP still renders an iPad useless or at least makes it not more than a gadget which for me doesn't do it. Oh well, we'll see when I contradict myself and buy another one.

I wouldn't waste your time. If you are viewing an iPad with the intention of it replacing or competing with a laptop, I don't think tablets are for you.

There is space in the market for both but I would say they have very different use cases and audience.
 
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I wouldn't waste your time. If you are viewing an iPad with the intention of it replacing or competing with a laptop, I don't think tablets are for you.

There is space in the market for both but I would say they have very different use cases and audience.

No actually I think they overlap too much, for me at least. It was never the intention to replace my laptop, but my laptop made me leave my iPad in a drawer.
 
No actually I think they overlap too much, for me at least. It was never the intention to replace my laptop, but my laptop made me leave my iPad in a drawer.
That's fair enough. Everybody has different tastes and needs I suppose. I went the opposite way where my laptop is in the top of my wardrobe and is now only used to back up my iPhone every 4 months or so. I don't do anything particularly taxing at home though, certainly not business related. It's a web surfer, movie watching and social media device for me. I could do all that on a laptop, but prefer the iPad as its lighter, faster to operate and doesn't get hot on my lap.
 
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Out of my laptop, iPad, and smartphone, my iPad is definitely the device that I need the least. In fact, I don't need it at all. However, it's still the most convenient of the three for casual web browsing, social media, reading emails, and a few other light tasks where it's nice to have a screen larger than my phone, but it's not necessary to get out my laptop. That's all I really want from my iPad or any tablet really. It's never going to replace my laptop or phone, but on many (if not most) days it gets more use than either. It's the device on my nightstand that I reach for when I first wake up to browse the news, my email, and social media. Again, I know that I don't need my iPad in the same way that I need my phone or laptop, but in the years that I've owned a tablet, I don't think that I've gone a single day without using one. I can't say the same for my laptop.

This is an excellent way to state it. It's not the the iPad Pro is the most essential of between my Win10 gaming desktop, Macbook Pro, or iPhone, but it is the one I like using the most. I can't seem to quit it. :)
 
No device pleases everyone & if iPad isn't for you then you can choose devices that better meet your needs.

I have always loved iPad & love it even more since I was diagnosed with cancer almost 3 yrs ago. I take it to chemo, to long appointments. I enjoy movies, books social media in my bed when I feel lousy. My digital life in a compact easy to carry device!
 
I am sorry, but all this complaining (not just here but everywhere on this site) is getting way out of hand right now. I have said it so many times. BUY WHAT YOU NEED. That is it! Your arguments can be said about pretty much ANY IT device EVER.

Need 128GB+ of RAM? The Apple laptops are not for you.
Need a NVIDIA GPU? Apple computers are not for you.
Need a full OS experience? The iPad is not for you.
Need 2TB+ of internal storage? The iPad is not for you.
Need to do a lot of multitasking? The iPad is not for you.
Must use Windows? No Apple system is right for you.

It is fine if the iPad, Macbooks, iMacs, and others are wrong for you. That is why there are options.
 
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I am sorry, but all this complaining (not just here but everywhere on this site) is getting way out of hand right now. I have said it so many times. BUY WHAT YOU NEED. That is it! Your arguments can be said about pretty much ANY IT device EVER.

Need 128GB+ of RAM? The Apple laptops are not for you.
Need a NVIDIA GPU? Apple computers are not for you.
Need a full OS experience? The iPad is not for you.
Need 2TB+ of internal storage? The iPad is not for you.
Need to do a lot of multitasking? The iPad is not for you.
Must use Windows? No Apple system is right for you.

It is fine if the iPad, Macbooks, iMacs, and others are wrong for you. That is why there are options.

If everyone had that opinion, we would not see much development of things.

Some are frightened by new ideas, but I am more frightened by old ones. And frankly, the old idea of an iPad as a third device should of course be outdated by now. There are just no reason that people with simple computing requirements like myself should own both a laptop and tablet today to enjoy the experience of reading on the couch once in a while (the tablet benefit). But here we are, and the iPad can't even meet my very simple needs.
 
If everyone had that opinion, we would not see much development of things.

Some are frightened by new ideas, but I am more frightened by old ones. And frankly, the old idea of an iPad as a third device should of course be outdated by now. There are just no reason that people with simple computing requirements like myself should own both a laptop and tablet today to enjoy the experience of reading on the couch once in a while (the tablet benefit). But here we are, and the iPad can't even meet my very simple needs.

So we should have laptops with triple SLI and 128GB of RAM?
 
I guess one man's burden is another's feature. I use the iPad because I CAN hold it. I mean that is the point of a tablet, right? Otherwise use a laptop or desktop. Not worth responding to the other critiques on the roll. My experience is very different but I don't ask the iPad to compete with my MBP. They are companions. That's all I can say. Well, also, I wouldn't use a paint roller to do touch up work or a paint brush to paint an entire wall. Just because a tool has the potential to accomplish a given job doesn't mean it's the right one for that task. Tablets and traditional computers are no different.
 
That is definitely not what I said, and none of the things I mentioned that I miss on the iPad are similar to such a requirement.

It is what you said. You want an iPad to do things that are better suited for laptops (mouse/keyboard full multi-tasking, and on). That is not what the device is supposed to be used for. So is a laptop when your requirements are triple SLI and 128GB of RAM.

iPad's focus has nothing to do with holding technology back. How are iPads holding back NVIDIA GPUs for example? In what way is technology being held back?
 
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It is what you said. You want an iPad to do things that are better suited for laptops (mouse/keyboard full multi-tasking, and on). That is not what the device is supposed to be used for. So is a laptop when your requirements are triple SLI and 128GB of RAM.

iPad's focus has nothing to do with holding technology back. How are iPads holding back NVIDIA GPUs for example? In what way is technology being held back?
You only needed 1 point

1. I picked the wrong device for my needs.

I appreciate your opinions, but I didn't pick the wrong device for my needs, as I have had a laptop all the time, and as I am fully aware of the iPads capabilities and limitations.

The thing is, the iPad is marketed as a pc alternative, and I just pointed out the limitations of the device in such use case, and the limitations besides such use case.

Fully aware of the limitations of iPad I of course never expected to live without a laptop. This thread is about the current state of the iPad as years moved on, and right now is the time I wanted to live without a laptop, but can't.

Years back it was acceptable that you needed to have three devices if you wanted a tablet. Today you shouldn't have to in my opinion.
 
I appreciate your opinions, but I didn't pick the wrong device for my needs, as I have had a laptop all the time, and as I am fully aware of the iPads capabilities and limitations.

The thing is, the iPad is marketed as a pc alternative, and I just pointed out the limitations of the device in such use case, and the limitations besides such use case.

Fully aware of the limitations of iPad I of course never expected to live without a laptop. This thread is about the current state of the iPad as years moved on, and right now is the time I wanted to live without a laptop, but can't.

Years back it was acceptable that you needed to have three devices if you wanted a tablet. Today you shouldn't have to in my opinion.

The point is that you're blowing this out of proportion by claiming there are 20 reasons you could come up with and in reality in your specific use case as well you only came up with 3-4 if at all.
 
Why are you still arguing this? I thought you would be gone by now,it's over for you. But you're still here
 
I appreciate your opinions, but I didn't pick the wrong device for my needs, as I have had a laptop all the time, and as I am fully aware of the iPads capabilities and limitations.

The thing is, the iPad is marketed as a pc alternative, and I just pointed out the limitations of the device in such use case, and the limitations besides such use case.

Fully aware of the limitations of iPad I of course never expected to live without a laptop. This thread is about the current state of the iPad as years moved on, and right now is the time I wanted to live without a laptop, but can't.

Years back it was acceptable that you needed to have three devices if you wanted a tablet. Today you shouldn't have to in my opinion.

Um, yes you did. You needed mouse/keyboard support and more multi-tasking options and more desktop-like website UI. The iPad does not do these well, and it is VERY well known.
 
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The point is that you're blowing this out of proportion by claiming there are 20 reasons you could come up with and in reality in your specific use case as well you only came up with 3-4 if at all.

Out of proportion? There are way more than 20 reasons relevant for my use cases though about 10 key reasons (need to have). Don't know how you come up with this.
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Um, yes you did. You needed mouse/keyboard support and more multi-tasking options and more desktop-like website UI. The iPad does not do these well, and it is VERY well known.

In fact many are buying Citrix X1 mouse for iPad to use desktop VPN and connect to their work. As the 12.9 inch iPad has laptop like screen size, of course iPad does this very well (but unfortunately through a third party and for a very specific use case). I can certainly see that many in here does not seem aware of iPad's work potential, which is now limited because of missing native support for e.g. mouse through multiple apps).
 
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TIL: This thread is still a thing.

No, but seriously, why do we continue with this argument day after day, thread after thread? The people who start these are usually trying to justify something they've done or decided to do by getting confirmation bias from others. That's clearly what's happening here as well. Best to just ignore it from here in.

Nobody has a gun to anyone's head telling them to use an iPad. If a laptop is the right tool for you, that's what you should use.
 
Why are you still arguing this? I thought you would be gone by now,it's over for you. But you're still here
TIL: This thread is still a thing.

No, but seriously, why do we continue with this argument day after day, thread after thread? The people who start these are usually trying to justify something they've done or decided to do by getting confirmation bias from others. That's clearly what's happening here as well. Best to just ignore it from here in.

Nobody has a gun to anyone's head telling them to use an iPad. If a laptop is the right tool for you, that's what you should use.

I don't need to justify anything, but nice trying to ruin relevant threads. So much trolling in here from people who can't stand cons of any product they own.

If you don't have anything relevant to say - as until now - then why post? Can't see any other reasons than the above mentioned.
 
I don't need to justify anything, but nice trying to ruin relevant threads. So much trolling in here from people who can't stand cons of any product they own.

If you don't have anything relevant to say - as until now - then why post? Can't see any other reasons than the above mentioned.

No one is "Trolling" you. You have to understand, you're in an iPad forum as you listed 20 reasons stating why you're done with the iPad. Let alone, you have made some disparaging comments yourself. So naturally you will receive resentment from others defending their viewpoints on why they believe otherwise. On the contrary, there has been quite a few rebuttal comments to your 20 reasons as to why others disagree with you, which they actually do have relevance, it's just you don't agree with them.
 
Well my iPad Air is for sale and I'm looking to get the new iPad 9.7" 32GB model. I looked at the Pro but it seems like a waste of money for what I use it for. I'm still enjoying the tablet experience.
 
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