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A 2006 mac pro is the same as a 2007 mac pro. Technically, there's no such thing as a 2007 mac pro. There is a 2006, 2008, and 2009. the clovertown mac pro is the same as a woodcrest mac pro, other than the processor. they're both 2006 mac pros, technically, in that they both use the 65nm process. if the card works in a 2007 mac pro, it will work in a 2006 mac pro. if it works in a clovertown mac pro, it will work in a woodcrest mac pro.

Well that's good news! Now just to find out how. Is there a site somewhere that has a list of cards and ROM flash files around? Or in the case of the 4870 some how-to on installing the drivers?


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Also if this is true and I don't doubt that it is, then why is Apple so stingy with it's official offerings?
 
it's more than hypothetical. it's been done. but most of us don't have an extra boot drive from a nehalem mac pro lying around. we're going to have to wait until we can actually get our hands on a 4870 from apple, and probably wait for 10.5.7. patience sucks.

plus, only a small handful of people look at this thread. I don't think there are many 2006 pro owners who're interested in using the 4870. most 2006 pro owners have already sold their computer for a newer model.
 
Also if this is true and I don't doubt that it is, then why is Apple so stingy with it's official offerings?

Most people that want bleeding edge performance are willing to upgrade the whole computer; it's also one less series to support.

I don't think there are many 2006 pro owners who're interested in using the 4870. most 2006 pro owners have already sold their computer for a newer model.

haha, I just bought a 2006 Mac Pro. As I've said elsewhere, I missed the boat on refurb 8x2.8 Mac Pros in the fall waiting on the new ones, and suddenly I can't get that model for any decent price up here. The 8x 2.26 is over twice the price I paid for my used one - there's a new D300 camera in that difference.

I plan on getting a PC 4870 to flash when the prices come down. The 3870 will be fine for now.
 
Yeah, that's my thinking too.

And about the 2006 machines... If they're still in service then they still have owners. If those people want a MUCH faster machine for $45 in the 8800 case or $200 in the 4870 case as opposed to Apple's $400 and instead of upgrading the whole machine for $4,000 (in this economy) then I guess there is an audience. The problem as I see it is getting the information to the audience. I guess most Mac Pro users don't have any idea that it's even possible. And I haven't seen any sites that tell which exact cards will work in which machine nor what has to be done in order to get it to work.

Had even I, I would be running a 8800 right now. They're currently going for $45 ~ $75 here in Japan. :)
 
Newbee Questions

bozz2006 you seem to be an expert on Mac pro cpu upgrades.

I have a 2006/2007 Mac Pro with 2 x 2.66ghz dual core CPU's

I have brought on ebay 2 x X5355 2.66Ghz on ebay for £206

I have a number of questions for you,

1. Your mac pro shows the Cpu's as unknown is this because they are sample cpus , or because they didn't ship with apple products.

2. there is going to be any jumper changes from the original 5150's i had in there i.e. going from 62 watts to 120 watts.

3. There seems to be a lot of discussion about what tools you need to extract the screws from the mac pro's heatsinks could you show me exactly what i need so I can look for it in UK diy shops , it doesn't matter so much if it isn't magnetic as i have extraction tools of my own.

4. I know I am going to need some thermal paste, what is the solution i will need to remove the existing paste from my heatsinks.

5. Did the terminal commands atchally work to change the name in about mac or is it not worth doing.

6. Do I have to change the SMC fan settings or is this non essential.

7. After you have done this cpu upgrade procedure have you run into any long term issues ?


I would be really happy if you could answer any of these questions or any other users in the macrumors forums
 
1. Your mac pro shows the Cpu's as unknown is this because they are sample cpus , or because they didn't ship with apple products.

I believe it is because they didn't ship. The only 8 core option that was offered for machines of that vintage was the 3.0ghz. I don't think the 5355 will show up as anything but unknown, regardless of whether they're samples or aftermarket or oem.

2. there is going to be any jumper changes from the original 5150's i had in there i.e. going from 62 watts to 120 watts.

you don't need to change any of that. the mac pro is fully capable of running the two 4 core cpus with no change in any other hardware.

3. There seems to be a lot of discussion about what tools you need to extract the screws from the mac pro's heatsinks could you show me exactly what i need so I can look for it in UK diy shops , it doesn't matter so much if it isn't magnetic as i have extraction tools of my own.

Tools you'll need are covered pretty well in the tutorials that I linked to.Number One Number Two Number Three Basically, all you need is screwdrivers. a #1 size philips head (+) will take care of most of the the disassembly. A short shafted one is most useful to remove the lower screws in the memory cage. You'll need a long one to remove the single screw from the front fan assembly. If you don't have these, I'm sure you know some people who'd be happy to borrow you a few screwdrivers for the day. The important thing to know is that the heatsinks can be a bit of a pain to remove if you don't have the correct tools. what worked for me was a regulare interchangeable head screwdrvie like this.
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and added an extension like:

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These are pretty standard and can be found almost anywhere hand tools are sold. Just make sure that the extension is of a narrow enough diameter to fit in the small cut-out around the heatsink fins. the heatsinks are held in place with torx (or hexagonal) screws. They are 3mm, and I think that equals a T15 torx bit. a 3mm allen wrench will also got the job done, but it's a tight squeeze to get your hand down in there. I'd recommend the screwdriver.

4. I know I am going to need some thermal paste, what is the solution i will need to remove the existing paste from my heatsinks.

I used this kit from amazon.com. It worked great. I think that this would be readily available from any brick & mortar or online electronics store you prefer

5. Did the terminal commands atchally work to change the name in about mac or is it not worth doing.

The terminal commands did eventually work to change the name... sort of. I had to mess with a bunch of the system permissions, and it eventually hosed me, and I had to reinstall the OS. The permission were screwed up that even a time machine backup wouldn't work. My recommendation to you would be to not mess around with this. For me it was kind of a vanity thing, and it wore off pretty quick. Just don't do it. Not worth the hassle.

6. Do I have to change the SMC fan settings or is this non essential.

I don't think it's essential at all. I like to keep my system nice and cool. I keep the fans at around 900rpm and the CPUs run at about 32 degrees Celsius during internet use and heat up to 40-45 degrees when under a heavier load. Compared with my macbook in which the CPU gets up to close to 70 degrees at times. So, no worries about temps.

7. After you have done this cpu upgrade procedure have you run into any long term issues ?

I haven't experienced a single negative issue, aside from the self-inflicted pain I caused by messing with the terminal and permissions. It's been great, and I couldn't be happier with this upgrade.



Let me know if you have any other questions.
edit: A couple of tips -
1. Remove all the HD's and the video card first to give yourself more room to work.
2. I don't know for sure whether the heatsinks are identical or if there is a top and bottom. Take care which one came from where. Be careful to make sure the foamrubber bumpers don't fall off.
3. One of the tutorials tells you how to do the upgrade by taking out the memory cage completely. I didn't do this. It is snapped into place pretty well, and I didn't want to break it. If you have the extendable screwdriver, removing the memory cage is completely unnecessary.
4. The most difficult part of the upgrade for me was plugging the heatsink leads back into the logic board. Be careful and patient when you do this. This is a vital step.
 
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I'd like to answer too so you'll have two to go by. I basically agree with everything bozz says but:


1. Your mac pro shows the Cpu's as unknown is this because they are sample cpus , or because they didn't ship with apple products.

The OS detects the system by motherboard revision and installs definition tags based on what was shipped with that model. If it's one of the CPUs in the list then it gets the ID tag - if not, not. It has no other affect tho. It's just a string.


2. there is going to be any jumper changes from the original 5150's i had in there i.e. going from 62 watts to 120 watts.

Nope. It just all works. Any of the 53xx models just drop right in. If I were doing this today i would drop in the 3.2GHz ones. At the time I did mine in early 2007 those were not to be had reasonably tho. :(


3. There seems to be a lot of discussion about what tools you need to extract the screws from the mac pro's heatsinks could you show me exactly what i need so I can look for it in UK diy shops , it doesn't matter so much if it isn't magnetic as i have extraction tools of my own.

All you need is an alan wrench and a screwdriver. You might wanna replace the alan wrench with the torx driver bozz showed but it doesn't matter that much.


4. I know I am going to need some thermal paste, what is the solution i will need to remove the existing paste from my heatsinks.

Most system technicians use and recommend plain old acetone. I used acetone myself too. Worked beautifully!


5. Did the terminal commands atchally work to change the name in about mac or is it not worth doing.

Worked for me without a hitch. Didn't need to changer permissions or anything. You can add any string you like so it could say anything like:

Processor: Yes!

Processor: Holy Cow! It's Fasssst!

Processor: 256 Core 6502 @ 4MHz

Processor: It's My Secret, and I'm NOT Telling!

or like Apple puts for their quad core machines:
Processor: 2 x 2.66 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

;)


6. Do I have to change the SMC fan settings or is this non essential.

You don't have to no. I do because I like my machine and wanna give the components a nice environment to live in.


7. After you have done this cpu upgrade procedure have you run into any long term issues ?

Zero issues after 2.5 years of 24/7 use. It just runs faster. :)
 
My upgrade went from 2ghz quad to 2.33 octo. Zero problems running 24-7 crunch data. My temps did rise a bit but smcfancontrol to keep it cool. Do what bozz tells you and you won't have any problems. Its not as hard as you think if you have tinkered with computers before.
 
Thanks for all the help I will update you guys later on how the upgrade goes.

all the best
Tristram
 
Really? I'm seeing used pairs for $500 and $600. That's for two of them.

I'm not seeing pairs for sale at all on eBay, and the single X5355s seem to be going for more than that (I'm not shopping in US$, though) Should I be looking elsewhere?

I see a seller that's had them before has them currently running at $70USD, but the last several he sold went for $350-$400US a pop.
 
Thank you

Hey guys the CPU upgrade went completely successful , ( even the editing about my mac)

If your interested I documented the process with photos on my website.

http://www.segaretro.com/?p=178

also put a mention to bozz2006 & Tesselator who spent there time to help me out.

I will write up later with my evaluation etc.

Also got a geekbench score for my machine of 9915
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/134647

which is second highest for the mac pro 1,1 only being beaten by 3ghz one with 8gb of ram not bad
 
sweet! glad everything went well. this really is a cost-effective upgrade. I wonder why more people don't do it.

edit: I want to get a new vid card.
 
Are you guys selling off your 5150's? I'm trying to decide if i want to sell them for a little cash or hold onto them in case, for some crazy reason, the new processors explode or something. lol. Should I sell my 5150's?
 
I think i will hang on to mine for a bit just in case i have an issue were i can pop them back in to check the mobo. Really shouldn't have any problems but who knows if you start having issues. Good to have a spare.
 
That's the way I feel. I also have all the RAM that I've ever replaced. Just in case! Paranoid? Possibly.
 
I was thinking to get a compatible MB, a PSU, some RAM and a drive and use them in another machine. Maybe headless via 10,000bps LAN off my current machine. :D Of course, I've been thinking about it since Q4 2006 when I changed them out but hey - now prices are WAY LOWER. :)
 
I've just put my 5150ies out on Ebay. I saw a guy get 212 US $ for his and that kind of cash would bring down my total cost of the 5365 upgrade to a nice level. It will be a help towards those SSDs as well.
 
Yep!

That was me! Just shipped them out yesterday.

JP

I've just put my 5150ies out on Ebay. I saw a guy get 212 US $ for his and that kind of cash would bring down my total cost of the 5365 upgrade to a nice level. It will be a help towards those SSDs as well.
 
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