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2011 iPro = Mac Pro replacement

alphaod said:
I feel more than often than not, the people who want Apple to redesign the Mac Pro to something sleeker and smaller have both never owned a Mac Pro nor will.
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For the size of the machine, it's actually not as efficient as I'd like. With Apple acoustics tend to win over things like optimal cooling in all areas. The drive bays do get warmer than I'd like. The machine is weak on features. Four internal bays isn't exactly a lot. SAS and eSATA have always lacked native support. It's actually quite expensive for how limited it is before upgrades.


nanofrog said:
TB won't require a redesign of the case though (redesign the I/O plate is all they'd need to do).

There's also the cost factor to consider. It's expensive to retool the assembly line that produces the cases for a product that only sells ~76k units per year. This is primary reason the existing case design has lasted as long as it has (they weren't forced to perform a redesign). They've only redesigned the internals where needed as a means of reducing the costs.
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I'm wondering where you got that figure. Was it calculated from known volumes and percentages relative to other lines? The mac pro has been in decline for quite a while.

At the moment I'm sort of in debate over what I'll buy next. TB may be just enough to get me into an imac if it sees better third party support next year. The mac pro never had enough internal expansion for me anyway. Even with 2TB drives in three slots and an SSD boot I'd still require backups. They get pretty hot in there too.

I'm wondering how AIOs are still doing well. I can only guess they tend to leverage the prosumer market. SSDs and thunderbolt are actually solving some of the huge bottlenecks inherent to laptops outside of heavy computing. At that point what stops people from plugging in their laptop to a larger display if they need it rather than buying an AIO to accompany it (assuming they'd own a laptop regardless). If they do need ECC memory (thinking basically cad users here) and the fastest possible processors or graphics options available, an AIO wouldn't work anyway.

The-Pro said:
has anyone considered that maybe apple is introducing a low end Mac Pro, single processor, 2 drive bays, 2 PCIe (single slots), 1 optical drive bay.
and then they keep the current design for a dual processor Professional workstation

Just saying it could be possible
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That wouldn't affect the starting price at all. Maintaining two different designs wouldn't help. Apple raised the price so it wouldn't conflict with the imac anyway.
 
Hello,

zephonic said:
I wonder, if you are correct, why my machine (W3520) is so noisy? Is there something wrong with it?
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Guessing it's a 2009 MP? That's what I have and it's very nearly dead silent. Which GPU do you have in there?

Loa
 
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zephonic said:
thekev said:
For the size of the machine, it's actually not as efficient as I'd like. With Apple acoustics tend to win over things like optimal cooling in all areas.
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I wonder, if you are correct, why my machine (W3520) is so noisy? Is there something wrong with it?
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Try the same specs in a Dell box.
 
Loa said:
Hello,



Guessing it's a 2009 MP? That's what I have and it's very nearly dead silent. Which GPU do you have in there?

Loa
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Yeah, it's the 2.66 quad. It's not very noisy, but it emits a pretty constant whine which is certainly audible. I wonder if there is something wrong with it. My '07 iMac is much quieter.
 
tpavur said:
What I seen was very similar in style to the current Mac Pro however it was very narrow about 50% narrow and I was told it was called an iPro, I'm not sure if the Mac Pro will be done away with, but the way they made it sound this is the replacement. I did not get to see inside or even touch it, it was on top of a desk.
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There is something we haven't considered.... maybe the iPro is not made by Apple. This may have been non-mac, made by a company who wanted to make it look like a Mac. Did your friend confirm that this was a Mac, or is that just an assumption? Especially, if they were trying to pull your leg. I've told my good friends whoppers, just to see if they'll bite. The better the friend, the bigger the whopper.....
 
thekev said:
I'm wondering where you got that figure. Was it calculated from known volumes and percentages relative to other lines? The mac pro has been in decline for quite a while.
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It was calculated off of total workstation sales from 2009 (entire workstation market, not any particular vendor). As the data is from 2009, it's not the newest (newer wasn't available publicly when I searched for it), but it would reflect the loss of sales volume related to MSRP increases when Apple introduced the Nehalem based MP's.
 
Have been having a think about it

Evidence:

#1: The new E5 chips were announced last week.

#2: The HP servers and hardware divisions currently powering apple's datacenters are being axed as HP go into datamining software.

#3: The Xserve has been gone for a while, and as a design it only ever worked properly as a G4. The G5 and Intel versions were kludged.

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If you look at the existing lines of server products, there's the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro.

I'm guessing that if the Mac Pro is to be replaced, it'll be something in a rack case aimed as much at datacenters as workstation use. It would be nice if the rack ears were removable, and the machine could be run on its side as a tower. With no internal optical drive, instead a FW800 external unit, that would make perfect sense.

If one was to server-ise the existing range, that would make a mini-based blade system, and a 3u or 4u rackmount server.

I would expect that's what apple will install in the North Carolina datacenter. I would also expect that to hit the market either this generation, or next generation.
 
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THat will never happen! In fact I really wonder if anything at all will happen with the Mac Pro. I think Apple is just going to let it fade away.
 
I don't think whats going on in Apple's data centers will have any bearing on the future of the Mac Pro.

No matter what Apple does with the hardware, there is still the issue of OS X Server not being ready for those sorts of tasks. Unfortunately, these days the idea of running a huge data center on OS X Server would be laughable.
 
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goMac said:
I don't think whats going on in Apple's data centers will have any bearing on the future of the Mac Pro.

No matter what Apple does with the hardware, there is still the issue of OS X Server not being ready for those sorts of tasks. Unfortunately, these days the idea of running a huge data center on OS X Server would be laughable.
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Why is that? Just wondering.
 
derbothaus said:
OS X Server feature set is abysmal and the tools not up to date with security in mind.
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Oh. Ok. Good reason then. I look everyday in hopes of a new Mac Pro, but never get a surprise. My gut feeling is Apple has just lost interest. I feel if they do refresh it at all, this will be the final refresh, it will be a half hearted attempt that they will continue to sell for a year or two, and that will be it. I really hope i'm wrong. The thought of moving to Windows just takes all the fun out of it.
 
tony3d said:
Oh. Ok. Good reason then. I look everyday in hopes of a new Mac Pro, but never get a surprise. My gut feeling is Apple has just lost interest. I feel if they do refresh it at all, this will be the final refresh, it will be a half hearted attempt that they will continue to sell for a year or two, and that will be it. I really hope i'm wrong. The thought of moving to Windows just takes all the fun out of it.
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3-4 years ago, I would have been willing to give OS X Server the benefit of the doubt. It always had some issues, but for the most part made a pretty good run at being enterprise capable. After all, it's closest competitors had multi year head starts so it was easier to be patient with OS X Server.

But with stuff like Lion Server Apple has made a very clear retreat from the corporate server market.
 
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