2013 Mac Pro Price (Range?)

[tuxon86]

Those are not 100% decoupled from one another. Just as you alluded to lowering the polygon count to a level to keep most of the quality with lower requirements just cranking up the polygons without limit doesn't necessarily increase the quality of the render. It just just makes it take longer.

If have 10 polygons per pixel on the screen who is going to see them? They all can't be presented on the screen. Sure some might be clipped from view but 9 for every pixel?



You tell me how you get 1.5 billion polygons on a 800x600 screen.



If no one can see them what impact does it have on the final result? Completely obscured from just about all angles polygons aren't going to contribute much.

Can play the game of "I need 100 million polygons"... "too small? then need 1 Billion" ... "too small? then need 10 billion" ... All the while the human eye has constant constraints on what it can see.




Right, because it mostly works for sizable group of people now.



I'm sure there are some folks rendering for 4K video, IMAX, or tiny few for 8K prototype system. 12GB may not necessarily be the path as much as more uniform access to main RAM and better ( coherence with RAM and VRAM ) , bigger (capacity) L3 on GPGPU cards.

Cards will probably hit way points at 8 and 10 before getting anywhere close to 12. Could get to point where VRAM is just treated as a humongous L4 cache of main RAM. That would mean need enough to work on the current computational fronts/waves and just page in as necesary a complete the whole picture.

Maybe you should stop pretending that you know it all and read what other people are writing instead of trying to interpret what they wrote.

When you design in 3D you aren't doing it at a set resolution, instead you are doing it at a scale. As Flat Five posted just above me, all object in your scene is built individually and scaled in relation to the overall scene. ALL THE DETAIL OF EACH OBJECT STILL EXIST AND IS INCLUDED IN THE SCENE. This is how 3D modelling in blender works.

i'm presently working on a T-72 model tank for an animation project of mine. I started up by modelling one track wheel with all the detail like bolt and such. I then designed the piece on which the wheels are joined etc, etc... You can scale down to see the hexagonal bolt heads... And this is important, because in my animation the camera will zoom in on the lower side of the tank and the wheels will be visible. And when it comes time to render then all of the quads that exist in this model has to exist and need to be processed to see what impact it has on texture, light and shadow and it has to do thise for every frame of animation taking into account those that came before it also. This eats up vram or plain ram fast. Why do you think Pixar and others have humongous render farms... But I know of single artist and small studios who are near to break that 6Gb barrier or have adapted their workflow around it.

We're not discussing raster based 2D graphics here. We aren't talking about low poly game asset either.

 

[MJL]

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Are these the rejected (misprinted with too much ink) ones that the FED needs to have destroyed? (= worth nothing) Or is this what the price in a few years will be with the hyper inflation that is going to hit the US with the FED printing money like Germany did in the 1930?

 

[opinio]

How much will the new Mac Pro cost?

Estimates?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

€2500-9999 depending on configuration.

What's the best way to find out? Simply wait and see what Apple does.

 

[opinio]

What's the best way to find out? Simply wait and see what Apple does.

I want to try and speculate on the cost to work out if I go for a rMBP Haswell when it comes out or wait for the MP. I'll only wait for the MP if it's cost works for me. Yes I know the rMBP will be cheaper than the MP. I just want to work out how much work I will need to do on the wife over the next few months to get her to agree

 

[LostSoul80]

~$3000, or ~€3000.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I want to try and speculate on the cost to work out if I go for a rMBP Haswell when it comes out or wait for the MP. I'll only wait for the MP if it's cost works for me. Yes I know the rMBP will be cheaper than the MP. I just want to work out how much work I will need to do on the wife over the next few months to get her to agree

Well if we're talking base model I'd at least work with €3000, it should be quite faster than the new rMBP, but you need take into account a monitor, speakers and the like as well. Mouse and keyboard will most likely be included with the MP though.

I'd say €3500 to be safe, although it will most likely be a base model.

 

[phoenixsan]

Between.....

$3000-4500, wild estimate.....

 

[k-hawinkler]

$3000-4500, wild estimate.....

Fully loaded $10K - as usual?

 

[flowrider]

Estimates?

Asked and guessed at here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1615004/

Lou

 

[k-hawinkler]

$3000-4500, wild estimate.....

Asked and guessed at here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1615004/

Lou

Very interesting! Thanks.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Bare bones "starting" configuration:

Best case - $2299
Worst case - $2999

Sweet spot - $2499

 

[MacMilligan]

$999-$9999

 

[antonis]

Fully loaded $10K - as usual?

Not likely, since you cannot "fully load it as usual" anymore. It's all external, therefore bought and installed by the user, after sale. The only difference between low and high models will be maybe the memory or the ssd disk size.

Under this scope, I don't think we'll see a big price gap between the high and the basic configuration. And, judging by the included parts, I'd say way less than 3000 for the starting model (dollars or euros, doesn't matter for apple, they seem to ignore the difference between those currencies anyway).

 

[jetjaguar]

Not likely, since you cannot "fully load it as usual" anymore. It's all external, therefore bought and installed by the user, after sale. The only difference between low and high models will be maybe the memory or the ssd disk size.

Under this scope, I don't think we'll see a big price gap between the high and the basic configuration. And, judging by the included parts, I'd say way less than 3000 for the starting model (dollars or euros, doesn't matter for apple, they seem to ignore the difference between those currencies anyway).

well I think the biggest factor for price will be the gpu options. Hopefully the base model will be cheap so we can add ram and storage ourselves.

 

[ElectronGuru]

well I think the biggest factor for price will be the gpu options. Hopefully the base model will be cheap so we can add ram and storage ourselves.

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As awesome as three 4ks would be, I'd rather have dual entry gpus or one fancy one. And 6 cores should be plenty.

 

[beaker7]

Barebones $3k USD
Decently equipped 8k

 

[slughead]

 

[jetjaguar]

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As awesome as three 4ks would be, I'd rather have dual entry gpus or one fancy one. And 6 cores should be plenty.

since it comes with dual gpus standard .. what if there is no single gpu option ?

 

[ElectronGuru]

since it comes with dual gpus standard .. what if there is no single gpu option ?

Ultimately, it comes down to price. If the featured cards are $1k each, this will be more machine than my photo work requires/justifies and I'll get a haswell mini. If it has to have dual cards but there is a less substantial entry card option, that may be doable.

 

[jetjaguar]

Ultimately, it comes down to price. If the featured cards are $1k each, this will be more machine than my photo work requires/justifies and I'll get a haswell mini. If it has to have dual cards but there is a less substantial entry card option, that may be doable.

i really want a mac pro .. but im just not sure about having to connect all my storage externally .. i guess ill wait and see how it is priced and make my decision .. hopefully the announce pricing sooner rather than later

 

[antonis]

i really want a mac pro .. but im just not sure about having to connect all my storage externally .. i guess ill wait and see how it is priced and make my decision .. hopefully the announce pricing sooner rather than later

I'm afraid we'll know the price along with the official presentation. I still bet on much lower starting prices than the ones in this thread.

 

[ElectronGuru]

i really want a mac pro .. but im just not sure about having to connect all my storage externally .. i guess ill wait and see how it is priced and make my decision .. hopefully the announce pricing sooner rather than later

It's very unusual for apple to pre announce product. It only made sense if they had no choice, like certain countries made the old model illegal and they needed to show that they were still in the game. It's weird to see this but things will get back to normal when the factory is up to speed and the store gets switched on.

I've been reading post after post since the announcement about lack of this and lack of that. I don't consider no big internal storage to be limiting, I see it as liberating. The only questions are total cost and how long the 3rd parties take to get up to speed. If its soon after, you be able to take your stack with you and hook it up to all your other LB equipped macs, with instant access to every file on it.

 

[brand]

It only made sense if they had no choice, like certain countries made the old model illegal and they needed to show that they were still in the game.

Not being able to sell the MacPro ≠ The MacPro being Illegal

 

[Mr. Dee]

I am betting 2,500 for entry level model with higher configurations going up to 2,900 and tricked out model at 3,500.

Its overkill for the average user, but who wouldn't mind having one. Then again, I will get one, but certainly not this first gen. Apple will charge an arm and a leg as they always do with these first gen designs. Case in point, Retina MacBook Pro, iMac.

So I will definitely wait until the 3rd generation when its a little cheaper and I have obviously saved up enough.

When you take into account, you can get a Mac Pro 1,1 for $200, think what one of these Mac Pro's 6,1 will cost 5 years from now?