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2015 nMP (7,1) Proposed Feature Wish List

flat five said:
i'm willing to bet it's actually computer software which is the cheapest part.. (if talking somethng like the pc having 24cores)

software is also cheaper to develop (when compared to, say, re-re-designing the nmp so it suits your needs)

it's also the part which is most likely to result in noticeable gains when speaking within reason. or- if maxwell 4 goes pure gpgpu for applicable tasks, you're looking at 10-20x faster rendering with the entry level nmp than you would get from, say, a 32core super nmp..

not to mention this is also the scenario which is most likely to play out irl.. or- it's more likely that we'll see new developments in software as opposed to brute force hardware approaches which are in direct relation to the concerns you have.. as i understand them-- and for the record, i'm not trying to argue that your concerns themselves are invalid.. they're completely valid and the entire rendering industry needs great improvements.. what we need at this point is realtime rendering.. the main question regarding that is "how do we get there?"
to me, that question is definitely not "just add some more cpus to a pc".. that wouldn't and couldn't solve the problem.
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The difference is that more cpu power will be benefited of right now. And while i totally agree with what you are saying. Most professional software does not rely heavily on gpu yet. And the question is how fast the developers will respond to this move of apple. If 50% of professional software runs opencl in a year i would be surprised.
 
stefmesman said:
The difference is that more cpu power will be benefited of right now. And while i totally agree with what you are saying. Most professional software does not rely heavily on gpu yet. And the question is how fast the developers will respond to this move of apple. If 50% of professional software runs opencl in a year i would be surprised.
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i'd be surprised if 10% of pro software runs openCL in one year (beyond simple forays into the methods)..

idk, i get it that everybody tends to want what seems best right this minute..

but if we revisit the topic in 5 years from now, i think a lot more people than current would agree that it was more beneficial to go with what apple has done in the nmp instead of what it would be like if the mp1 stayed on its track..
 
flat five said:
it's possible there's more at stake than the actual volume of units sold. there's a trickle down effect to all other products in apple's line (i don't really know of a concise way to put what i'm getting at.. but basically boils down to someone picking up their macbook air and sensing the flagship model in it)
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The flagship model probably is the Macbook Pro, unless you break it down by models then it might be the 13" Air. I know what you are trying to say, but the Mac Pro just doesn't mean anything to most of Apple's audience and there isn't going to be a tech trickle down now. Can you see any examples of technology from the 2006-2012 Mac Pros that weren't Intel, NVIDIA or AMD/ATI just moving tech forwards? The non-workstation/server hardware even comes out first now.
 
flat five said:
ha.. yeah.. i really really doubt it's going to happen.

if this # flops AND they still continue to keep the line going-- i imagine it would be a 3rd design which would still be different than the old mac pro.

but i have a hard time imagining they would try another round of it if this one fail$..
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If it fails the only Apple desktop will be the iMac, or the MacMini.

Hell, even if it succeeds, it may still be the last Apple desktop.
 
Umbongo said:
The flagship model probably is the Macbook Pro, unless you break it down by models then it might be the 13" Air. I know what you are trying to say, but the Mac Pro just doesn't mean anything to most of Apple's audience and there isn't going to be a tech trickle down now. Can you see any examples of technology from the 2006-2012 Mac Pros that weren't Intel, NVIDIA or AMD/ATI just moving tech forwards? The non-workstation/server hardware even comes out first now.
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hmm.. yeah.. i'm not speaking so literally.
fwiw, i do understand what you're saying or- i definitely get the gist of it.
but that's not where i was attempting to speak from..

maybe i'll try it with pictures:

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where in this case, the nmp is the top picture.. again- not literally
 
deconstruct60 said:
Has problems because there is not enough infrastructure bandwidth for all of that and the nominal 3 Thunderbolt controllers present along with the SSD...another set of conflicts.....
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Really excellent points in your detailed discussion. Sounds like there are technical limitations, and rate-limiting factors, in Apple incorporating features that would be theoretically available in 2015. Thanks for the good info and sound reasoning.
 
flat five said:
hmm.. yeah.. i'm not speaking so literally.
fwiw, i do understand what you're saying or- i definitely get the gist of it.
but that's not where i was attempting to speak from..

maybe i'll try it with pictures:

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where in this case, the nmp is the top picture.. again- not literally
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Yes, what you're referring to is called the halo effect.
 
OMG you still cannot buy the (not quite) current one and we're already wish-listing the next one. Has the Mac Pro forum turned into the iPhone forum?
 
Funny or unaware of the market

Should this "turd" flop there will be no more computers other than iMacs and MacBooks.

Professional workstations are seldom profitable.


Redneck1089 said:
My wish is for this turd to flop, and then for Apple to go back to the old design. Not going to happen then... :(
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An iMac would be the only alternative.

flat five said:
ha.. yeah.. i really really doubt it's going to happen.

if this # flops AND they still continue to keep the line going-- i imagine it would be a 3rd design which would still be different than the old mac pro.

but i have a hard time imagining they would try another round of it if this one fail$..
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Dual 12-core = 24-core and MORE CLOCK SPEED!!!

2,7GHz is a joke!!! :mad:

Actually let´s say 32-core (dual 16-core), ´cause PC probably have that already in 2015.
 
ApplesAOranges said:
Dual 12-core = 24-core and MORE CLOCK SPEED!!!

2,7GHz is a joke!!! :mad:

Actually let´s say 32-core (dual 16-core), ´cause PC probably have that already in 2015.
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http://ark.intel.com/products/series/75291

At the risk of upsetting people, then I don't see how Apple can put a faster 12 core CPU in at the moment from Intel.

The Quad, Hexacore, 8 Core and 12 Core are all the fastest ones mentioned here on the Intel site.

Yes they could have gone with a faster 10 Core at the expense of of a 150W TDP rather then 130W TDP, however all the CPU's seem to be the 130W versions so suspect is probably tied into what Apple reckon can cool in the nMP.

It would be nice to see Apple make it a more General Purpose Workstation, suitable for single user environments the nMp and FCP X do seem to be designed around each other quite tightly, and more for Studio's. However I can't see it happening without a case redesign, which with Apple reckoning this is the shape for the next 10 years then don't see happening.

Testing seems to show that can edit 4K Video on the 1Tb SSD comfortably and with the Library Feature allowing you to move Events/Projects within FCP X from One Library to another then Apple do appear to be working so that can have at least 2 Libraries.

1st Library on the local SSD
2nd Library on NAS/SAN

When you need to work on a Project then move from NAS/SAN Library to the Local Library. Do the work and transfer back.

When my 5,1 no longer does the job then this is how I see myself working, unless can do what I need on an iMac by then.
 
ApplesAOranges said:
Dual 12-core = 24-core and MORE CLOCK SPEED!!!

2,7GHz is a joke!!! :mad:

Actually let´s say 32-core (dual 16-core), ´cause PC probably have that already in 2015.
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I seriously don't get why you're so relentlessly hung up on the 2.7GHz base clock of the 12 core. Base clock speed is not a barometer of performance.

For example, as geekbench numbers have shown, the fastest of the 4 models in terms of single core performance is the 8-core machine which has a base clock of 3.0GHz, 700Mhz behind the highest clocked 4-core model.

The 12 core machine is extremely fast when properly taken advantage of, and even in single core operations, is only marginally slower than the 8, 6 or 4 core models. But that shouldn't be an issue given that anyone purchasing the 12 core would not be interested in single threaded performance. Base clock speed is no longer a number you can look to to determine how well one machine performs vs another.
 
no 24 core for you

mcnallym said:
At the risk of upsetting people, then I don't see how Apple can put a faster 12 core CPU in at the moment from Intel.
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But, if Apple hadn't gone for "form over function", they could have put two 12-core chips in the Mac Pro....

But, no, the little tube can't play with the big boys from Dell, HP, Lenovo and all the others.
 
AidenShaw said:
But, if Apple hadn't gone for "form over function", they could have put two 12-core chips in the Mac Pro....

But, no, the little tube can't play with the big boys from Dell, HP, Lenovo and all the others.
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Not to mention the woefully under-clocked GPUs.

IMO the only reason these are going to be any good is software optimization, like what they did for FCP. This could've been done with the cheese-grater pro though.

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peabo said:
I seriously don't get why you're so relentlessly hung up on the 2.7GHz base clock of the 12 core. Base clock speed is not a barometer of performance.
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That depends on the task. Running Geekbench all day is not a paying job.
 
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