It's just that AMD did't take the cheesy "Founders edition" route.. Points for the marketing team of Nvidia once again. It would be fun to know how many units Nvidia is able to put for sale. Few thousands? Besides few rich kid, others will wait for the regular version... even it takes couple of months more.
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If there's no Mac Pro Mid/Late 2016 announcement at WWDC2016 I think that's a pretty big kick in the teeth.
I realise laptops and iOS devices are probably their main sources of income, so obviously their focus should be there. But Apple was the forefront content-creation tool professionals had to have, and that line is begging to wain a little. I'm sure their modern laptops are great, but they won't ever be as powerful as a desktop system; they might be trucks, but trucks still have their functions.
There have been so many advances since (and even before) the 2013 Mac Pro was announced;
A Samsung OEM NVMe 951/961 should be a given at this stage, as should DDR4 if the corresponding CPU supports it.
But then this is Apple, who knows! Apart from possibly @Serban
I realise laptops and iOS devices are probably their main sources of income, so obviously their focus should be there. But Apple was the forefront content-creation tool professionals had to have, and that line is begging to wain a little. I'm sure their modern laptops are great, but they won't ever be as powerful as a desktop system; they might be trucks, but trucks still have their functions.
There have been so many advances since (and even before) the 2013 Mac Pro was announced;
- SM951
- NVMe, 950 Pro
- Fiji
- Pascal (MXM anyone?)
- Haswell-E
- Broadwell-E
- DDR4
- Thunderbolt 3
- USB C (3.1 rev2)
A Samsung OEM NVMe 951/961 should be a given at this stage, as should DDR4 if the corresponding CPU supports it.
But then this is Apple, who knows! Apart from possibly @Serban
Probably just that no one wants the credit for being a "Founder" of AMD.
Perhaps if you put blinders on and look at a single, very restricted, measurement.
If you look at a broader range that includes IO performance laptops are pretty sad.
even IO is better (at least the way i use it).. i'm completely wireless now with all my computers/network and the newer laptops best the older desktops in this realm.
(fwiw, i'm not disagreeing with you and i'm positive you can give examples of laptops sucking.. just saying that for me, i'd rather use my laptop than my cmp.. it's pretty smooth sailing with that thing (and i'd rather use my imac than either of those two)
WiFi sucks so bad (shared bus) that it would be easy to improve from "utter old crap" to "new, fresh smelling crap".
What about 10GbE, NVMe, and the other IO connections available to (often non-Apple) desktops? What about multi-stream IO vs single threads?
don't know.. don't care.
none of that would help me.. wireless / internet / cloud is where it's at.. i haven't plugged something into any of my computers other than displays and power for at least a year.. if not two.
let the larger backend mainframes/servers/etc worry about 10gbe and superDuper2.0 connections or whatever prior to feeding me.. i don't need it on my PC
(edit- oh wait.. plugged into someone's printer a few months back.. that's the last i remember using a plug.)
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hmm
i think you're just not listening to me.
i'm telling you that working with no wires is sweet.. i've been doing it for quite a while now.. not because my head is in the sand.. i do it because i'm working a lot faster and easier now.. like- that's a true story.
you could give me a speed of light tethered connector that moves unlimited data in the blink of an eye.. the best imaginable wired connection.. and i benefit approx zero from that.. in fact, it would be more time consuming for me to work the way i work with that type of connection.
maybe it's your head in the sand?
Or maybe mediocre bandwidth is all that you need.
When I drop my laptop into its docking station, the wifi is disabled and I get full copper bandwidth.
You'd have to have your head in the sand to not understand that.
right. exactly.
today's 'mediocre' bandwidth is yesterday's awesome bandwidth.. so i have awesome bandwidth now.
for an example, i just zipped a current project folder locally (it's already on cloud as it's created but just for this i'm moving it all at once)
the whole deal -- cad files, cam files, renders, contracts, spreadsheets..
i put it in a cloud folder, walked over to my laptop, opened the thing, and the files were available 4 seconds later..
this is faster than the physical act of plugging anything in..
plus, i have the benefit of not plugging anything in.. do you even recognize this as a benefit?
Aiden, he's baiting you.
Don't forget that despite pages of gushing praise for nMP and it's lovely screws, when time came to purchase a computer he found that it failed to meet his needs.
So the MP he is discussing is the 1,1 that has burned through 2 or 3 GPUs over the years and he hasn't upgraded past Lion. (last he mentioned anyway)
no i'm not.
not quite
..that said, with the recent releases of a couple of different softwares which allow for different ways of working than i've been doing the past decade or two, it's looking more and more like an imac and mbp will be meeting my needs perfectly well over then next few years.. (as in, my next desktop might very well be another imac as opposed to mp7,1 +)
the advantage i was aiming to get out of a nmp-> gpgpu rendering... has now come to realization.. the software is available today.. it's no longer something i need to wait for and discuss future possibilities with.. people are getting great results with their nmp today.. even with d300s.
.... but
some new stuff by Autodesk in the realm of rendering has me seriously questioning my past plan.
i'm rendering via cloud now.. i've been messing around with it for a while but it's got to the point to where it's too good not to be taken seriously.
still the same
Patience grass hopper. With a name like TweakTown with a catch phrase "Tech content trusted by users in North America and around the world" you know the news is good for a laugh.
what if your largest working file in the past month is 37MB?
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my largest file created this year is 253MB.. but that's definitely rare for me.
the actual speed of data transfer seems similar to what i've been doing in the past --> fw800.. and that was fine for me personally.
those are the numbers you can measure easily and benchmark and argue about etc.
what you all are seemingly not picking up on is that i no longer have to do anything to transfer my files.. they're transferring automatically, in the background.. and further, i don't have to make a physical connection between different machines in order for this to happen.. i open either computer and in some occasions, my phone and all of my necessary files are available.. regardless of which actual computer was used to create them and regardless of where i'm at.. i mean, these days, i can even transfer files while on the subway if so desired.
real world Mb/s is irrelevant to the point i'm trying to make.. the numbers don't matter.
i'm getting faster and much easier data transfers today than i was 5 years ago.. it's nothing to do with benchmarked numbers.. it's more to do with ways of working. sorry i don't know how to benchmark that for you.
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Yup, they are. The part that everyone is missing is that regardless of whether there's an MP this year or next year, the one thing thats not coming back is yearly refreshes or updates. If something is not in the next MP, like TB3 or DP 1.3/1.4, then there's a very good chance we don't get it until close to 2020. Given that, it would be better if they got it right.
Lol. and if they don't get it right at 2020? I'm not so sure if they will ever get it right.
They had it right, now they're off wandering around in the desert with a tube and a prayer, and not much purpose.
It's almost biblical.
By 2020, they'll be a "Car Company", then they can allow Watches and Phones to languish as Mac Pros have, while they ponder how to make the iCar "thinner".
Waste of money. Apple need a new upgrade: CEO.
Now, THAT would be a WWDC announcement worth waiting for.
"Can't replace CEOs my a$$".
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