I've lost track of where we are in the cycle. Are we talking gpu's or power supplies or Intel roadmap? Am I waving my hands correctly? Is the smoke machine still on? Should I adjust the mirrors? I'm just concerned that I'm out of sync, but boy is this anticipation killin me! Just x more days till WWDCCDCFBINSACON where the new machine will be announced!
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825 days and not a single word of guidance from the Apple iFarce.
Not a peep. Nada.
The silence of space.
Where no one can hear you scream.
In frustration.
Look, a pro pencil cozy.
Not a peep. Nada.
The silence of space.
Where no one can hear you scream.
In frustration.
Look, a pro pencil cozy.
825 days and not a single word of guidance from the Apple iFarce.
Not a peep. Nada.
The silence of space.
Where no one can hear you scream.
In frustration.
Look, a pro pencil cozy.
It matches your avatar
Anything happen about this
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...-to-new-mac-pro-found-in-os-x-el-capitan-code
wrt to a new rMB being found referenced in System Image Utility?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...-to-new-mac-pro-found-in-os-x-el-capitan-code
wrt to a new rMB being found referenced in System Image Utility?
Old discussion, what it actually *may* reference is a system with 6 usb 3.1 ports (as on usb-c/Thunderbolt 3 setups) te same time it refers 4 extra usb ports not super speed. In case the expected updated nMP (or nnMP here) it also could means any sort of usb 3 ports combination either with or without Thunderbolt 3, so the nnMP could have 4 classic USB3.1 and 2 usb-c/Thunderbolt3 (usb3.1 on usb-c connector plus Thunderbolt 3, 10GbE and dp1. 3 alt modes) plus 4 classic Thunderbolt 2/dp1.2. This just my speculation. Not to mention it just could be the next Mac mini (having 4 classic usb3.1 plus a couple of Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C 3.1 in the same arrangement as the current model (hope Apple put the same skull canyon cpu and not more poor low power cpu).
Intel Tick Tock -> PAO
Does that mean we will have 3 generations of cpu's on the same socket??
Intel Tick Tock -> PAO
Oh we all saw this coming 3 years ago because the Tick-Tock cycle ended at 22nm. Look no further than nVidia and AMD who sat on the last 28nm process cycle for three video card life cycles waiting for 14nm, skipping 32nm entirely.
Add into this https://www.theinformation.com/inside-apples-cloud-infrastructure-troubles (or http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-worried-about-spy-tech-in-servers-it-buys-2016-3 ) and you start wondering why Apple isn't producing all of it's own hardware and selling 3U Mac Pro/XServe's to make the volume costs. I'm sure a rack-mount Mac Pro is what most of the audio/film crew want, not the "rats nest of cables" that the nMP is.
I wonder how tick-tock-tock will effect the xeon lineup. Will we get a kaby lake Xeon? My bet would be no. For consumer chips there is a lot of pressure to have a "new" chip out every year. When it comes to servers and workstations this is not as compelling. Xeons can keep tick-tock and just have less frequent updates than the consumer chips.
We sort of already had this with ivy bridge -> haswell -> haswell refresh. Haswell refresh saw a frequency bump across the lineup and a new chipset. This sounds almost exactly what kaby lake will be and of course there was no haswell refresh Xeon.
We sort of already had this with ivy bridge -> haswell -> haswell refresh. Haswell refresh saw a frequency bump across the lineup and a new chipset. This sounds almost exactly what kaby lake will be and of course there was no haswell refresh Xeon.
With the rats nest of cables, going to PCIe cards/internal HDD/SDD does not always get rid of them. I had as much as 14 cables coming out of my 2009 mac Pro at one time.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/rumors-surround-intel-amd-nvidia-152205385.html
http://marketrealist.com/2016/03/in...und-intel-amd-nvidia-licensing-deal-nears-end
I thought these links might be interesting.
http://marketrealist.com/2016/03/in...und-intel-amd-nvidia-licensing-deal-nears-end
I thought these links might be interesting.
There can be a lot of changes in the near future.. but that said, what will it change for you and me now and in the up coming 2 or 5 years? Most of my tools i work now with, are CUDA hugry. I dont see that changed soon.. What ever Apple will bring out soon (or not soon) it will not do CUDA. And thats the problem i face at this moment.
And others, would like to use 2 xeons. Cause hell hey, thats the power of Xeons! not for you nMP users of-course. but, you have a very nice looking shiny small computer. And thats cool too!
http://anandtech.com/show/10168/samsung-shows-off-sm961-and-pm961-ssds-oem-drives-get-a-boost
Samsung Polaris controller? Man, are we running out of names?
These might make it to the nnMP, 1TB finally.
That would be awesome, the SM961. Getting close to the bandwidth limit already?!
Another excuse to wait until H2 for the nnMP.
[doublepost=1458814466][/doublepost]Samsung also has a BGA PM971 SSD for mobile. Nice.
[doublepost=1458815182][/doublepost]Finally Intel will release the Xeon v4, they waited it out to the end of the month, but kept the Q1 promise it seems:
Bold claims regarding the performance increase.
Let's see the final lineup and how it stacks...
Micron has also started sampling GDDR5X 1GB and 2GB chips, on track for the new cards?
Samsung Polaris controller? Man, are we running out of names?
These might make it to the nnMP, 1TB finally.
That would be awesome, the SM961. Getting close to the bandwidth limit already?!
Another excuse to wait until H2 for the nnMP.
[doublepost=1458814466][/doublepost]Samsung also has a BGA PM971 SSD for mobile. Nice.
[doublepost=1458815182][/doublepost]Finally Intel will release the Xeon v4, they waited it out to the end of the month, but kept the Q1 promise it seems:
Bold claims regarding the performance increase.
Let's see the final lineup and how it stacks...
Micron has also started sampling GDDR5X 1GB and 2GB chips, on track for the new cards?
Where is the Xeon E5 v4 release date info from? Have they announced a release or is this just the not set in stone last day it could be to meet the Q1 date?
(http://wccftech.com/intel-assures-b...processors-q4-15-feature-22-cores-44-threads/)
Curious (was looking up to see if anything, and chipset info (presumably something 610 like?)
Edit http://techfrag.com/2016/03/24/inte...ch-31st-offers-20-more-cores-than-haswell-ep/
April for HP workstation http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/GetPDF.aspx/4AA5-4044ENW
(http://wccftech.com/intel-assures-b...processors-q4-15-feature-22-cores-44-threads/)
Curious (was looking up to see if anything, and chipset info (presumably something 610 like?)
Edit http://techfrag.com/2016/03/24/inte...ch-31st-offers-20-more-cores-than-haswell-ep/
April for HP workstation http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/GetPDF.aspx/4AA5-4044ENW
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No official announcement that I know of but that doc looks legit, so I'm guessing it's for real.
Nothing on ARK yet.
As to chipset, I'm afraid we might have to stick to C610, unless they have something spiced up and have managed to keep it under wraps.
Nothing on ARK yet.
As to chipset, I'm afraid we might have to stick to C610, unless they have something spiced up and have managed to keep it under wraps.
I think that performance increase is reasonable if they're talking about multithreaded applications running on a new Broadwell-EP CPU at the same price point as a Haswell-EP CPU. For example, a 12 core E5-2690V3 vs. a 14 core E5-2690V4.
OK. So .... I thought about this sometime ago ... maybe even posted ... Getting old can't remember ... LOL
How cool would it be if along with Water Proof iPhone, VR Solution that beats Ocusucks .. I mean Occulous and the cool VIVE, a New "Rat's Nest" Tube for those of who love those things and for all you "125LB - 28HD - 4 Zeon" fans out there ...
TADA ... Reintroducing the XSERVE.
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Its naive to think that Apple could design their own CPUs and GPUs that could beat Intel, AMD and Nvidia at their own game. Not only are Intel CPUs (and integrated graphics) extremely power efficient, they can also be scaled from 5 W to 140 W and dual core to 22 core. Intel also maintains a process advantage in that their 14 nm node is more dense than any other production process. Not only that, but they are manufacturing the biggest chips at 14 nm, currently with Skylake with Iris Pro graphics and soon with Broadwell EP. Apple would be stuck with whatever Samsung, Global Foundries or TSMC can produce, which is currently smaller dies and less dense transistors. There are many other reasons but manufacturing is a big one.
If Apple wanted more control over their desktop/laptop chips, they would probably just buy AMD. However, I think they are happy enough using what Intel provides and spending their engineering resources on mobile hardware development.
We have been over this discussion before, Apple's value is in the user experience of using the OS X graphical interface and the integration with iOS products. The closer the computer comes to a headless machine that is accessed from the command line that does only number crunching, the less value Apple brings. No one is going to pay the Apple premium for a headless server, which is why Apple no longer makes the xserve.
Xserve was killed by NAS appliances like Synology Qnap Asustor and Netgear, nothing Apple could do to revive it, and OSX server remains alive thanks the Mac mini and Thunderbolt storage.
I have hope this year the Mac mini will offer again 45W cpu also the same one as on Intel skull canyon NUC, since past iteration Intel's low power dual core cpu (as now) required a different socket than its quad core neighbors and being cheaper Apple decided to ditch quad core on the mini, this year with Skylake the situation is different Intel's low power dual core and 45W quad core are priced similar while most dual core are more expensive than more powerful quad core there is no economic or technical reason on Apple to not return to quad core mini being the lower end cheaper than the closest dual core equivalent. Maybe also we 'll see again a mini-server w/o spinners just an internal ssd and two Thunderbolt 3 for external storage. But basically the Mac as Server is a ver niche market, mostly restricted to developer teams and business with a large base of iDevices requiring updates and support from an Apple OSX Server exclusive service.
But this is Apple s blame, me as product chief I'll order an OSX Based NAS appliance similar to the ones from Synology based on a mac mini like motherboard and a custom raid chasis, also options for using ssd blades (m.2 sata) as commodity storage as on a new NAS from Qnap.
Apple missed that on most office there is some NAS also I've one in my home, but pricing and offers from Apple made OSX server a very Niche product, but if instead Apple releases an NAS Appliance with an popular configuration (as 4/6 spinners on hot swappable bays) instead heavy expensive rack mounted servers good for few (or the the joke airport timecapsule is), this also would help developers to offer more solutions.
Apple failed miserably on HOME Nas, the mini can't compete with popular nas w/o cheap commodity hdd multi Bay storage.
I have an Synology 1515+ and it's iosafe fireproof version, the 1515+ cost a bit more than a base Mac mini, also does more and it's OS it's stellar, also I've a mac mini L14 base version we use for time machine and to share files from our Thunderbolt storage, we didn't upgrade it to mimic the 1515+ because an 5hdd tb enclosure cost more than a 1515+ barebone or with similar load, apple could easy build a mac mini with 5 2.5" 15mm hdd bays and fill the gap with comparable NAS on a practical system we could fill with 2.5" 15mm server grade hdd or SSD allowing a full Apple environment on our offices.
http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-ep-xeon-e5-2600-v4-march-launch/
these cpu can be put in the new mac pro?
these cpu can be put in the new mac pro?
It'll never go back to 4 cores. The second they do, it's competing with the 4 core Mac Pro. Macvidcards has already shown the power of an egpu and a mini. Give that mini 4 cores and T3 and there is no reason to ever buy the 4 core MacPro.
Except the thermals are much better in the larger Pro, and most people aren't going to kludge an eGPU currently, or even if they come up with a fairly effective and painless method with TB3.
Most of the CPUs the Mac Pro uses are E5-1000 series not 2000 series.
They won't? People aren't already using flashed cards like there is no tomorrow? All those people smart enough to keep their old Mac Pros but without a future in the mac sphere would probably jump on that in a heart beat. You can talk about the difference between chips all day, but on a hobby machines like the nMP and it's single chip configs, you really don't see much advantage. Thermal constraints? The trashcan isn't that great as it is. You don't need to go into how it's thermally superior, I've read the advertisements and seen the dog and pony show already....Yeah yeah yeah..I KNOW..innovation my arse.
With all that said, please don't take me the wrong way. I really do think the Mac Pro is the absolute best tube-shaped computer to ever be made. As far as Tube Shaped things go, it really does take the cake.
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