2016 nMP

[pat500000]

We still at the same point, this only reinforced the rumours on nVidia comeback to the nMP.

A major fact is mainstream software publisher as adobe readies a Cuda8 specific product targeted at OSX for VR edition, but where is that Mac with nVidia GPU capable for VR content producing? Don't look at the past, either based on pascal or maxwell I have the good feeling that the nMP L2016 will arrive on nVidia cards.

How did you come about that conclusion or feeling?

 

[jonisign]

One of the downsides to the Mac Pro's form factor is its not easy to add in multiple vendors for the GPUs. Each one is a custom form factor which requires significant cost. With any luck this option could be added with external GPU support over thunderbolt 3.

If only Apple had gone with MXM connectors, everyone could upgrade from either vendor as they saw fit.

 

[Mago]

How did you come about that conclusion or feeling?

Big developers use to have early access to new Apple Hardware, its curious Adobe (among others) announce support for cuda 8 9whixh also received support on its development from Apple), and targeting hardware for VR content production, means Adobe is developing for some upcoming mac based on a powerful nVidia gpu, powerful enough to be productive editing VR (not just watching).

I doubt they are reliying on that Cuda->AMD compiler

 

[pat500000]

Big developers use to have early access to new Apple Hardware, its curious Adobe (among others) announce support for cuda 8 9whixh also received support on its development from Apple), and targeting hardware for VR content production, means Adobe is developing for some upcoming mac based on a powerful nVidia gpu, powerful enough to be productive editing VR (not just watching).

I doubt they are reliying on that Cuda->AMD compiler

Hmm. Okay. Are you saying that AMD (which was recently announced) would not come out for nMP, but rather NVIDIA?

 

[Mago]

Hmm. Okay. Are you saying that AMD (which was recently announced) would not come out for nMP, but rather NVIDIA?

Boltzmann isn't at alpha stage yet and by the moment it's Linux only (hpc), there it's another cuda compiler from Otoy seems restricted too and just are compilers doesn't enable cuda on any amd Mac, developers had to recompile their cuda code to support AMD gpu.

 

[pat500000]

Boltzmann isn't at alpha stage yet and by the moment it's Linux only (hpc), there it's another cuda compiler from Otoy seems restricted too and just are compilers doesn't enable cuda on any amd Mac, developers had to recompile their cuda code to support AMD gpu.

I guess this is what you were talking about then.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/03/11/otoy-cuda-compiler/1

otoy and cuda.

 

[ManuelGomes]

OK, for those who prefer the HP WS but also want a Mac:
http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/h...45.html?_ga=1.226022938.1619205617.1452809940

kidding
[doublepost=1461142186][/doublepost]http://www.techpowerup.com/221848/n...nge-gp106-based-graphics-cards-in-autumn-2016
[doublepost=1461143418][/doublepost]The Core m CPUs used on the new rMB are indeed used in the "configurable 7W TDP up" mode, a tad up from their base freq and 5W TDP.

Intel seems to have had lower than expected margins and is cutting some 11% on it's workforce, some restructuring going on.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Intel seems to have had lower than expected margins and is cutting some 11% on it's workforce, some restructuring going on.

The PC industry went down -8% from 2014 --> 2015. It's directly hitting Intel's profits. It could be also that Intel knows it's going to loose one big client for their own ARM based chips in 2017...? Perhaps they're afraid of AMD's Zen too?

 

[koyoot]

Intel has to feed their fabs with money. To not loose money on their business Intel has to lay off people, and... increase prices on newest chips.

Guys, with every new node production costs skyrocket. R&D shows this.

 

[ABCDEF-Hex]

On Tuesday, Intel said it would cut 11% of its workforce, or 12,000 jobs, through mid-2017, to “speed its transition to a company that powers the cloud and billions of smart, connected computing devices.”

Wake up, pull you heads out of the tower drive bays and smell the future all you dinosaurs.

 

[Mago]

On Tuesday, Intel said it would cut 11% of its workforce, or 12,000 jobs, through mid-2017, to “speed its transition to a company that powers the cloud and billions of smart, connected computing devices.”

Wake up, pull you heads out of the tower drive bays and smell the future all you dinosaurs.

Intel isn't only cpu's, they also build pc barebone (NUC),, motherboards, peripherals (flash drives, nic), software and other things less profitable than its cpu business.

 

[Draeconis]

Instead of 1 big, hot GPU they divided their GPU envelop in 2 and got 2 GPUs with more computational power than one single big one.

They then proceeded to add nothing in 10.9, 10.10 or 10.11 to actually use both at the same time, since one is dedicated to display another the other to compute tasks. Leading many to question what the ****ing point was. And even then, why not use existing standards? MXM for graphics. M.2 for PCIe SSDs. The value proposition for this machine is hard enough to justify as it is, and alright, perhaps the majority sold won't have the hardware upgraded in any way over it's expected 4 year lifespan, but what about after that?

If my 2010 Mac Pro has a hard drive, CPU, RAM, GPU or fan issue, I can definitely do something about it. If the logic board or PSU go then that's a concern, but there you go.

But in this new design, once Apple declare it obsolete, what do you do? Buy a new one I guess is the familiar refrain. No thanks.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Draeconis, Apple doesn't really care much about standards. On the contrary, they don't want you messing around the internals of your machine. OK, you could actually change almost anything in the previous model, and maybe that's why now you can't. It is indeed a pain for the user, but for them it's much better (besides loosing possible sales of course).

Mago, Intel actually doesn't really make many of those things but I get the point. Too bad they dropped their Extreme series mobos, my favorites at the time. Made by Foxconn I believe, Intel branded.

 

[tuxon86]

Draeconis, Apple doesn't really care much about standards. On the contrary, they don't want you messing around the internals of your machine. OK, you could actually change almost anything in the previous model, and maybe that's why now you can't. It is indeed a pain for the user, but for them it's much better (besides loosing possible sales of course).

Mago, Intel actually doesn't really make many of those things but I get the point. Too bad they dropped their Extreme series mobos, my favorites at the time. Made by Foxconn I believe, Intel branded.

Which is in itself funny since they present themselves as a "green" company and yet go out of their way in designing machine that can't be upgraded and thus will end up in landfills in some third world country like so many e-waste.

 

[koyoot]

http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku...=Intel&affiliate_id=21181&click_id=1601784441
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=100099&vpn=BX80648I75960X&manufacture=Intel

No chances for cheaper CPU's, eh?
10 core version of this CPU costs...
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku...=Intel&affiliate_id=21181&click_id=1601784438

Intel really needs more money to feed their fabs, and mitigate production costs.

That also means that E5v4 16XX CPU's launch is imminent.

It is also best example why Intel lately slowed down with improvements of their architectures. To mitigate production costs.
Their biggest advantage over the rest of the industry - their fabs - are bringing them down.
Imagine the impact good Zen CPU will make on their revenue...

 

[fuchsdh]

I still maintain that Apple does not want to tie itself to a single GPU vendor especially one who's code would only run on a small fraction of macs with discrete GPUs. Apple would rather developers leverage OpenCL and Metal and not CUDA.

Another factor is performance. AMD's cards seem to have better OpenCL and OpenGL performance while Nvidia does better in cases where they can tailor their drivers to perform well in directx11 games and CUDA. AMD GPUs are also very good at encoding video.

One of the downsides to the Mac Pro's form factor is its not easy to add in multiple vendors for the GPUs. Each one is a custom form factor which requires significant cost. With any luck this option could be added with external GPU support over thunderbolt 3.

This is actually a good point I hadn't thought about. Like others here I can't see Nvidia keeping up the same amount of resources for cMP, but providing support for a multi-Mac eGPU solution seems like it would have a much higher potential for dividends going forward.

I dunno how heavily Apple is going to support it though. If they make it much less kludgy than it currently is I've no doubt Sonnet or OWC or the like would offer a relatively plug-and-play product and Nvidia would happily sell Mac users regular cards to stick in it.

 

[wallysb01]

http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku...=Intel&affiliate_id=21181&click_id=1601784441
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=100099&vpn=BX80648I75960X&manufacture=Intel

No chances for cheaper CPU's, eh?
10 core version of this CPU costs...
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku...=Intel&affiliate_id=21181&click_id=1601784438

Intel really needs more money to feed their fabs, and mitigate production costs.

That also means that E5v4 16XX CPU's launch is imminent.

It is also best example why Intel lately slowed down with improvements of their architectures. To mitigate production costs.
Their biggest advantage over the rest of the industry - their fabs - are bringing them down.
Imagine the impact good Zen CPU will make on their revenue...

How accurate are those prices though? This shows the 10 core at $1500 and the 8 core at $1000 (consistent with previous generations), not $2350 and $1500, respectively: http://wccftech.com/intels-flagship...s-detailed-upto-10-cores-25mb-cache-140w-tdp/

 

[koyoot]

I compared i7 5960X on that site: 1127.60$ with price on Intel ARK site: 1059$ for box version.
5820k on that site: 411.64$ on Ark: 396$

5930K- 629.56$; Ark: 596$

There is a pattern .

Of course, they may be temporary prices, tho.

 

[Stacc]

They then proceeded to add nothing in 10.9, 10.10 or 10.11 to actually use both at the same time, since one is dedicated to display another the other to compute tasks. Leading many to question what the ****ing point was. And even then, why not use existing standards? MXM for graphics. M.2 for PCIe SSDs. The value proposition for this machine is hard enough to justify as it is, and alright, perhaps the majority sold won't have the hardware upgraded in any way over it's expected 4 year lifespan, but what about after that?

If my 2010 Mac Pro has a hard drive, CPU, RAM, GPU or fan issue, I can definitely do something about it. If the logic board or PSU go then that's a concern, but there you go.

But in this new design, once Apple declare it obsolete, what do you do? Buy a new one I guess is the familiar refrain. No thanks.

There are many compute tasks in OS X that support dual graphics cards. Barefeats benched a few of them here. Final Cut Pro X also supports dual GPUs. You are probably thinking of games, of which none support using both GPUs.

MXM graphics are only supported by Nvidia, so it makes sense why Apple didn't implement this.

Apple has been using PCIe SSD blades in their system for years, long before M2 was a standard. M2 has only become well supported by intel with the skylake H170/Z170 platform. The other problem with the M2 format is it only supports half the capacity of Apple's blades. 1 TB M2 drives are only just now coming to market and those are still SATA based and not PCIe.

 

[Umbongo]

How accurate are those prices though? This shows the 10 core at $1500 and the 8 core at $1000 (consistent with previous generations), not $2350 and $1500, respectively: http://wccftech.com/intels-flagship...s-detailed-upto-10-cores-25mb-cache-140w-tdp/

They are accurate in the sense NCIXUS are hoping to make some extra money off early orders. A 12-core 3.00GHz E5-2687W v4 is only $2,141.

I'd be surprised if the i7-6950X isn't $999 as that price point has been maintained for a very long time. People say the new Extreme CPU will be more than the $999 tray price every time one is due. Going back to the E5-2687W the price remains the same between v3 and v4 while gaining 2 cores.

The market for these CPUs is tiny compared to that of the E3-1200 and E5-2600 series and they have kept stable prices.



My guess is $300, $400, $600, $1000 based on previous pricing history. Or bump those by $100 if they don't want conflict with Skylake stuff. There is nothing special about these, just another mildly interesting step.

 

[jonisign]

MXM graphics are only supported by Nvidia, so it makes sense why Apple didn't implement this.

You are not correct about this–– there are MXM GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia available:

For example, from AMD:
http://www.zentrica.com/product/amd-radeon-r9-m295x-mxm/

 

[pat500000]

Draeconis, Apple doesn't really care much about standards. On the contrary, they don't want you messing around the internals of your machine. OK, you could actually change almost anything in the previous model, and maybe that's why now you can't. It is indeed a pain for the user, but for them it's much better (besides loosing possible sales of course).

Mago, Intel actually doesn't really make many of those things but I get the point. Too bad they dropped their Extreme series mobos, my favorites at the time. Made by Foxconn I believe, Intel branded.

I guess preventing internal upgrades also prevent third party products.

 

[tuxon86]

I guess preventing internal upgrades also prevent third party products.

Which is a bad thing.

 

[koyoot]

I think there is a reason why there may be development of CUDA 8 compatible applications for OSX.

External GPUs.

 

[pat500000]

I think there is a reason why there may be development of CUDA 8 compatible applications for OSX.

External GPUs.

Are those external gpu the ones that connects to the Mac like external hard drive?