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2017 iMac refresh wish list [merged]

I'm revising my wish list...

• 4TB+ fusion drive

It is a lot to ask of Apple, I know, but I must wish hard until I blow an o-ring and kill the Tidy-Bowl man. Double internal drives would be great--one SSD and one Fusion, but I doubt Apple will go in that direction.

...and 16GB standard memory on all 5K iMacs!
 
Lesser Evets said:
I'm revising my wish list...

• 4TB+ fusion drive

It is a lot to ask of Apple, I know, but I must wish hard until I blow an o-ring and kill the Tidy-Bowl man. Double internal drives would be great--one SSD and one Fusion, but I doubt Apple will go in that direction.

...and 16GB standard memory on all 5K iMacs!
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How about doubling (or even quadrupling) the size of the SSD portion of the fusion drive (and eliminating the "new" 1TB fusion drive with 12GB). 1/10 SSD/HDD with a 1TB model made a lot of sense when it was introduced, but as capacity goes over 3TB, I find a ratio of 1/30-1/40th much less desirable. Sure, mom and pop users won't notice immediately , but for power users who actually BTO (AKA the whole market for a 4TB fusion drive), I think most people would really feel the difference as the drive starts filling up.
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CWallace said:
AMD confirms Mobile VEGA family GPUs and they're "coming soon" - https://videocardz.com/67642/amd-radeon-rx-vega-is-just-around-the-corner
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Honestly Vega can't come soon enough. While the idea of increasing graphics performance from the mid range and increasing the TAM made sense in theory, the execution of the strategy with Polaris has left a lot to be desired, while completely ceding the high end to the 1080 (and now the 1080Ti). Relying on price cuts for Fury/Nano/Fury X stock to compete with the 1070 is obviously not a long term solution, and as Fiji can't fit into notebooks or AIOs, they're leaving a lot of market on the table :(
 
I do think Apple should increase the amount of SSD storage at the moment the most that you can buy is a 1TB option yet in the 2016 MacBook Pro you can configure it to 2TB of SSD. I think Apple may add that option with the next iMac.
 
Give us easier access the HD processor and allow for user upgradeable RAM (21")
Remember how easy it was to open the back of a G5 iMac?

Yeah i know, this ain't happening.
 
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satchmo said:
Give us easier access the HD processor and allow for user upgradeable RAM (21")
Remember how easy it was to open the back of a G5 iMac?

Yeah i know, this ain't happening.
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:(

I'd like to see that too. Ultimately the 21" is the perfect size for me (27 just a bit too big), but with integrated graphics it's a dud (I tried one last summer and it overheated and throttled like crazy just using Photos). I'd like to see a 21" with dGPU and of course upgradeable RAM. That would be my dream machine. But I know it's not happening.
 
CWallace said:
AMD confirms Mobile VEGA family GPUs and they're "coming soon" - https://videocardz.com/67642/amd-radeon-rx-vega-is-just-around-the-corner
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& yet, people will still tell us that the Vega's TDP will be too high to fit in an iMac. I'll stick to the original formula of approximately 1.8--2x performance for the exact same heat & power input. You probably just pointed out what we will see in these iMacs in the coming months (or 2018 as I'm adjusting my unrealistic, sarcastic prediction)
 
ThisBougieLife said:
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I'd like to see that too. Ultimately the 21" is the perfect size for me (27 just a bit too big), but with integrated graphics it's a dud (I tried one last summer and it overheated and throttled like crazy just using Photos). I'd like to see a 21" with dGPU and of course upgradeable RAM. That would be my dream machine. But I know it's not happening.
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Indeed...After Apple dropped the 24" size, the 21" iMac has always felt like a neglected step child.

Sure, some of the compromises are a result of Intel, but like they didn't with the iPad mini a few years back, they shouldn't cripple it just because it's small.
It would be nice to have a compact powerhouse all-in-one that screams.
 
Trebuin said:
& yet, people will still tell us that the Vega's TDP will be too high to fit in an iMac. I'll stick to the original formula of approximately 1.8--2x performance for the exact same heat & power input. You probably just pointed out what we will see in these iMacs in the coming months (or 2018 as I'm adjusting my unrealistic, sarcastic prediction)
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I mean its reasonable that people have been saying this. There are only 2 Vega chips AMD has discussed publicly. The first is a GPU sized at >500mm2 with a 225 W TDP. Something that big and hot has never been considered a "mobile" chip. The other instance is the integrated graphics in the upcoming "Raven ridge" APU. The reference to a "mobile" GPU could be a reference to: the Vega APU chip which is likely to be small and not expected until the second half of this year, a dramatically downclocked version of big Vega, or a third Vega chip which we know nothing about.
 
Malus120 said:
How about doubling (or even quadrupling) the size of the SSD portion of the fusion drive (and eliminating the "new" 1TB fusion drive with 12GB).
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I would love that. It should be back to 128GB fusion w/4TB.

I have so little faith in Apple's desire to do such, but they might give us a 4TB with 12GB. -_-;

When I (often) do video work, 12GB will be swamped quickly. 128GB would be ample.
 
Whats sure for the next imac:
Usb-c/tb3
Same resolutions
Better speakers
Gpu with at least 1.5x times better in performance
DDR4 ram

What im hoping for extra:
Slighty redesign with sealed display,no more dust particulate enter through the ventilation
No more hdd and even no more fusion,all ssd,from basic 256 to 2T with same 2000mbs write speeds
Maybe even better cooling,in heavy load not a single component should reach 90C
 
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fokmik said:
Whats sure for the next imac:
Usb-c/tb3
Same resolutions
Better speakers
Gpu with at least 1.5x times better in performance
DDR4 ram

What im hoping for extra:
Slighty redesign with sealed display,no more dust particulate enter through the ventilation
No more hdd and even no more fusion,all ssd,from basic 256 to 2T with same 2000mbs write speeds
Maybe even better cooling,in heavy load not a single component should reach 90C
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I'm sold! Now we just need Apple to make it so they can have my money.
 
fokmik said:
What im hoping for extra:
Slighty redesign with sealed display,no more dust particulate enter through the ventilation
Maybe even better cooling,in heavy load not a single component should reach 90C
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Would you care to elaborate as to how you envision accomplishing better cooling after cutting off all the air circulation - with only a "minor" redesign?
 
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the display should be laminated but it isnt,it must be2 microns less, this has nothing to do with the heat and colling
 
I'm somewhat late in jumping onto this bandwagon (I know), but as the current owner of a 2014 5K iMac (and former owner of a first gen 27" iMac), i do have some wishes - some of which I know won't happen (because they go against Apple's current philosophy) some of which won't happen because Apple would see them as a step back...

1) Forget the tapered edge. Rather make the whole thing 1,5-2,5 cm thick. This ain't a laptop where a very thin front edge actually does have some benefits.

2) Put the RAM-door in some less awkward place.

3) Put some of the most used connectors on either side (1-2 USB-A's, 1 TB/USB-C, SD-card slot.)

4) Add some cooling vents to top and bottom (I'm hoping Apple may some day want to offer some 6- and 8-core variants.)

5) Offer a vesa-compatible replacement for the stand.

6) Make the thing easier to open and close. Having to pry adhesives apart (or schlepp it to a service) for a hard drive replacement is ridiculous.

7) Offer more CTO options (CPU, GPU, HDD, SSD)

8) Add a color: Black, pink if you must.

9) No touchscreen, please...

RGDS,
 
My one and only wish for the Imac is that apple went back to Nvidia (better reliability,better drivers support,better performance)
And for the love of god put something with decent performance for once.Like 1080ti
 
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paukivbashne said:
My one and only wish for the Imac is that apple went back to Nvidia (better reliability,better drivers support,better performance)
And for the love of god put something with decent performance for once.Like 1080ti
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Count me in, pascal based with the 1050Ti and 1060 are meet up iMac requirenment about wattage and cooling since both card are around 70-80 watt, even they below R9 M395 wattage and support 5K resolution.
I dont know anything about Metal etc but these cards (or even better gen) need to be installed to the next iMac
 
fireedo said:
Count me in, pascal based with the 1050Ti and 1060 are meet up iMac requirenment about wattage and cooling since both card are around 70-80 watt, even they below R9 M395 wattage and support 5K resolution.
I dont know anything about Metal etc but these cards (or even better gen) need to be installed to the next iMac
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Yeah no thanks. The GTX 1050(Ti) is in the same performance class as the R9 460, neither of which would be much of an upgrade from all but the weakest of current iMacs.I wouldn't mind if the base model had a 1060, but If Apple's going to switch back to Nvidia, I'd like to at least see the option for a GTX 1070 BTO.

Given that AMD cards tend to perform better in OpenCL (not to mention often do better in low overhead APIs like metal), Apple would either need to bulk up the level of graphics card they put in the machine, or seriously polish up the Nvidia graphics drivers to get performance where it would need to be (so as not to see a regression in apps like FCPX).

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more choice, and I was certainly sad when we didn't get the GTX 980M in 2014-2015, but switching from AMD graphics just as they seem to be finding their footing with Vega/Polaris after all these years seems a little silly.
 
T'hain Esh Kelch said:
Do you exchange RAM on a daily basis?
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Very funny.

No, usually once in the lifetime of a computer (face it, who's rich enough to but a new Mac with maxed out ram), and I'd appreciate being able to see what I'm doing.

Thenagain, I guess Mac's are more and more the domain of people who when hearing "upgrade your ram" think of an oversized pickup or wonder how you can upgrade a male member of the genus Ovis, and why on earth you'd want to.

RGDS,
 
seveej said:
Very funny.
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Thank you!

No, usually once in the lifetime of a computer (face it, who's rich enough to but a new Mac with maxed out ram), and I'd appreciate being able to see what I'm doing.
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You'd be surprised.

In any way, if you think installing RAM in an iMac is the biggest problem with its design, then you really should try to do more serious upgrades of it.
 
darksithpro said:
Not really. The 1050ti is a lot faster.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-460-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-460/3649vs3641
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I prefer sources a bit more reputable than GPUboss, so I did some more searching.
(https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1050_Ti_Strix_OC/34.html)
(http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti,4787-8.html)

Turns out you're not wrong about the 1050ti being noticeably faster (my bad) in DX11 based games, but the degree seems to vary a lot by benchmark, and I haven't been able to find out a lot about how it does in OpenCL (what mattes to Apple), while DX12 and Vulkan (which would be relevant for Metal performance), appears to put AMD on a better (than it is in DX11) footing.

Either way, I would still generally slot them into the same performance class(budget), and it's not one I really want to see in a (27") iMac (yes the M380 is a travesty). Again I'm not against seeing Nvidia return to the mac, I just imagine that If Apple was going to switch to Pascel they would've done it already.

I feel like Apple's waiting for something, and I don't think its chips from Nvidia that are almost a year old (for the 1080/1070).
 
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