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Minga089

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Buying a new machine is not really "problem solved". I don't want to give apple any more money. I bought almost full spec laptop and expected to last at least 5 and more years. I expected it to be functional as advertised, what is clearly not. I feel cheated by apple and buying new device from that company is not a solution. It's another win situation for Apple.
That is exactly the problem. If you solve the problem by buying another Apple machine you just reward Apple for their design fail or rather laziness (because it obviously could be solved easily by software as earlier Monterey betas have shown). So in the end they did everything right if this unsolved problem forces you to upgrade.

Before I would buy another Mac I would rather get myself an eGPU or alternatively a big Ultrawide monitor that I can use in clamshell mode (with low power consumption) so that I don't need the screen real estate of another monitor or internal screen. I would do anything other than generating additional profit for Apple.
 
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I am just wondering if anybody using the notebooks on the go. I mean ppls attaching external monitors etc to it. Thats not very mobile, and notebook is for portability. If i have this setup with several attached HW, i would for sure purchase a desktop instead..its not a solution, it just idea for future to think about… :)

mine is strictly for on the go. I agree that it doesn't make sense to buy it for heavy desktop use. I would think the external monitor feature was for "in a pinch" or when you reaaly need a bigger monitor for a few hours.. not as a daily desktop. it was an expensive purchase but instead of stressing, adding an M1 mini would be worth every penny. it has been two years and this is Tim Cooks apple
 
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PeterJP

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I am just wondering if anybody using the notebooks on the go. I mean ppls attaching external monitors etc to it. Thats not very mobile, and notebook is for portability. If i have this setup with several attached HW, i would for sure purchase a desktop instead..its not a solution, it just idea for future to think about… :)
I use mine at home, but I move from room to room. I have a small office with a desk with an external screen, then my music setup, then sometimes I work at the kitchen table. In nearly all of the cases, I work without external monitor. But that's not because I want to. On my desk, I'd like to use the screen but I need to unplug it for every call. Which, in this post-corona age, is frequently. So I rarely plug it in again. It feels like a major step back, working only on the 16". I used to work on this exact screen with my late 2013 13" MBP without any issue.
Even worse, I'm really bumping into the screen size limitations for music production. It's no fun switching back and forth between all the different parts in Logic. I want the editor and the mixer to be on screen at the same time, and then some plug-in windows. Ideally, I'd use my external screen (2560x1440) and below that, my laptop screen. But then the damn thing goes buzzing all over the place.
If they don't fix it in the new 16" M1X/M2/M2X version, I expect Apple to announce the laptop has a built-in drone and start hyping it. "It's not a bug, it's a feature!".
 

zzzsfk

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Sep 17, 2021
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i think it is single word parameter passed to driver or kernel with single character and dash like

Bash:
applePlsIWantToUseThisMachineWithExternalMonitor -p powerMode

or with double dash and word

Bash:
applePlsIWantToUseThisMachineWithExternalMonitor --pls powerMode

I hope they fix this issue with monterey
 

Rs2-GTi

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Sep 17, 2021
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I am not a tech-guy, just a frustrated photographer. But I just to tell about something that almost fixed the issue for me, so it might be helpful for others. After seeking technical support from service and repair shops that I know well, and usually comes recommended, I found a solution.

I got a Wavlink dock, which used Displaylink Monitor. I guess it somehow separates the power drain and the signal, I don't know how it works, but the fans stopped running and the MBP did not slow down at all. But a new problem appeared, because it needed software to transmit the signal (no image displayed without it), the Mac had problems recognizing my Eizo, and for example Davinci could not engage dual monitor mode, and screen options could not recognize what display was connected. But that I could work around, but the biggest issue was that neither Colornavigator or Spyder could calibrate the Eizo, so for me as a photographer, is was unusable since the colors were way off for my use. But if you can live with oversaturated and off colors, for example for office use, that could be a solution.

I tried another 500 usd docking, that let me calibrate, but did not fix the fan/slow problem. I have now given up, bought a minimal used Mini M1 16gb 8/8 while I wait for the new M1X chip next year. I will complain to my Mac dealer on my MBP, and the consume rights in Norway is pretty good, so I expect a refund, even though it might take some time. For me they did not deliver what I was promised. It's like buying a car, and if you put someone in the passenger seat, the engine only gives you 50% power. It was said to operate extra screens, and it really don't.
 
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axu2

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Yea, DisplayLink use the CPU for output, not the GPU, so it bypasses the problem. Definitely has its own issues though and performance drawbacks. That's the workaround to get multiple monitors on M1 Macs.
 

Rs2-GTi

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Sep 17, 2021
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If you connect the other peripheals to other ports are they not recognized as well?
I don't know. It had a 30 days money back guarantee, and when I failed to perform, I returned it. I spent the 30 days with Eizo trying to find a workaround for the calibration, and they had never seen that error appear before, and could not solve it. So I only briefly tried it without the Displaylink Manager installed, just to witness that the screen never got signal. I might add that CCC backup did not work with the Wavlink either, when trying to read/write to two discs, it disconnected both discs. I needed to use another adapter for the discs, and not go trough the Wavlink. But apart from that, it always worked with the other ports, but if it works without Displaylink Manager, I don't know - but I would think that DPM only handles the screen, hence the name.
 

splash333

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Sep 18, 2021
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This is the Anker HDMI dongle I'm using: https://www.amazon.ca/Anker-Aluminum-Portable-Supports-Pixelbook/dp/B07THJGZ9Z

However, the difference is that I'm using 1920 x 1080 resolution.
The other monitor I tested my laptop with is Dell U4919 (ultra wide 49 inch) with it's native usb-c to usb-c cable, and the GPU power usage hovers around 6-7 W in clamshell mode.

Not options that align with yours, but just throwing ideas out there.
I have the same problem, but it stemmed from using 2 Apple Thunderbolt displays. I'm no on a single 1080p Samsung via HDMI and at idle, it is fine. It doesn't seem like it takes much for the CPU heat to rise, however.

I'm looking at a Samsung 49" monitor (https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/49--chg90-qled-gaming-monitor-lc49hg90dmnxza/), but I don't think it has usb-c like your Dell does. Have you tried running the 49" Dell via HDMI or display/mini-display port?
 

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I've got good news after installing Monterey B7. The fix is back! Radeon High Side is down from ~20W to 15W. Enable "Low power mode", that number drops to 6-7W.

that is good news. now I will just sit back and read the complaints of having to upgrade to Monterrey to fix it. :D
 

electronino

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Sep 16, 2021
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What does low power mode actually do? Just turn off turbo boost or generally slows down the machine?

Now I'm even more convinced that this a 100% driver issue. Nothing is wrong with the hardware.
 

Kogut

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oh, that's really great to hear <3
BTW, how are the graphic animations on iGPU in Monterey? Laggy and sluggish like in Big Sur or not?
 

jbeyer05

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I can sympathize with your plight, however the 16 is not obsolete. It is ridiculous to hate on it because you made a mistake buying an orange when you wanted a banana. The 16 is my travel tote because its the best macbook I have ever owned.

Ummmmm....the specs claim it can drive 4x 4K monitors. Mine can't even drive a single 4K monitor without major CPU throttling within a few minutes. I think what you meant was "you ordered a banana, but got a lemon".
 

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Ummmmm....the specs claim it can drive 4x 4K monitors. Mine can't even drive a single 4K monitor without major CPU throttling within a few minutes. I think what you meant was "you ordered a banana, but got a lemon".
Only the 5600M can do fine because of its HBM2 memory its not as hot as gddr6
 

jbeyer05

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Feb 18, 2014
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I've read through nearly all of the 5K messages in this thread, but wanted to compare the 'endpoint' with some other posters. With an umodded, open (as opposed to clamshell) MBP, when plugged into an external monitor, do most users simply have their fans rev up to an annoying level, or do temps get so hot that kernel_task takes over and completely throttles the CPU?

I have tried all permutations of internal and external resolutions and refresh rates with my external 4K monitor, always with my MBP 16" 5300M open; clamshell is useless to me. I can have absolutely nothing open, and as soon as I connect to the external monitor, I see Radeon High Side at 20W, the fans quickly rev up, max out at ~5300. Once the main iStat temperature (I think the main temp is CPU PECI) hits ~160F, kernel_task revs all the way up, and things absolutely grind to a halt. Again, I am running nothing but a Firefox window and iTerm2, which are using no CPU.

Prior to COVID, I was able to use two external monitors without issue. During the early parts of COVID, I was seldom using an external monitor, so it's hard for me to peg when this became an issue. My hunch is that it might have been an upgrade from Mojave to Big Sur. Does that align with anyone's experience? It's possible I have simply been accumulating dust internally. I have a Genius Bar appointment and will ask them to clean out the internals of the case.
 

PeterJP

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Very good news and I'm very relieved to hear the low power fix is back. I'm pretty sure that for what I do in Logic, low power mode should suffice. 8 cores at 2,3GHz isn't nothing for audio. Looking forward to start using it with an external screen once the official Monterey is out.
 
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PeterJP

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Have anyone tried low power mode with this http://tbswitcher.rugarciap.com/ to see if you can have turbo boost on but still get low voltage on open lid?
The Turbo Boost is related to the Intel CPU. However, the high voltage that causes the fans to go on, is related to the GPU. So while it may help reduce the power consumption of the rest of the system, the GPU will still go crazy.
 

silllli

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Prior to COVID, I was able to use two external monitors without issue. During the early parts of COVID, I was seldom using an external monitor, so it's hard for me to peg when this became an issue. My hunch is that it might have been an upgrade from Mojave to Big Sur. Does that align with anyone's experience? It's possible I have simply been accumulating dust internally. I have a Genius Bar appointment and will ask them to clean out the internals of the case.
I am pretty sure that this is caused by dust. I experienced the same, the problem getting worse over time and I suspected OS changes to be the reason—the Apple support cleaned the laptop and the problem was not gone, but it was a lot better, like in the beginning. Others have reported the same, so give cleaning a try and hope for macOS Monterey to fix the issue.
 

Madhatter32

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I've read through nearly all of the 5K messages in this thread, but wanted to compare the 'endpoint' with some other posters. With an umodded, open (as opposed to clamshell) MBP, when plugged into an external monitor, do most users simply have their fans rev up to an annoying level, or do temps get so hot that kernel_task takes over and completely throttles the CPU?

I have tried all permutations of internal and external resolutions and refresh rates with my external 4K monitor, always with my MBP 16" 5300M open; clamshell is useless to me. I can have absolutely nothing open, and as soon as I connect to the external monitor, I see Radeon High Side at 20W, the fans quickly rev up, max out at ~5300. Once the main iStat temperature (I think the main temp is CPU PECI) hits ~160F, kernel_task revs all the way up, and things absolutely grind to a halt. Again, I am running nothing but a Firefox window and iTerm2, which are using no CPU.

Prior to COVID, I was able to use two external monitors without issue. During the early parts of COVID, I was seldom using an external monitor, so it's hard for me to peg when this became an issue. My hunch is that it might have been an upgrade from Mojave to Big Sur. Does that align with anyone's experience? It's possible I have simply been accumulating dust internally. I have a Genius Bar appointment and will ask them to clean out the internals of the case.
Try a cleaning and new thermal paste. It is an easy DIY. There are many YouYube instructionals available if you are so inclined.
 
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