A lot of people complaining about the 13" in regards to fan noise and other (USB 2 connectivity for example) things.
Best way would be to have them both next to each other and use them for few hours performing the same tasks.
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(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
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Best way would be to have them both next to each other and use them for few hours performing the same tasks.
Damn. I was hoping to find a MBP answer to the problem. I use my MBP16 for work all day but it’s also my personal device for photo library, documents etc. I really wanted a single laptop solution for all.
At this rate I may have to go back to using the work provided Windows laptop (Lenovo X1 carbon, it’s pretty good) for work and get a cheaper MBP for personal use. Which is what I did before. Just don’t want two devices.
FWIW on another thread there are a couple guys w i9 5600m builds and at least one of them had i7/5300 and i9/5500 configs prior. So far they're not getting any fan ramps with normal usage and no changes to turbo boost. Here's the thread if of interest
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Gaming on 16 inch MacBook pro
I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.
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Matches up with this report: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...r.2211747/page-85?post=28599455#post-28599455FWIW on another thread there are a couple guys w i9 5600m builds and at least one of them had i7/5300 and i9/5500 configs prior. So far they're not getting any fan ramps with normal usage and no changes to turbo boost. Here's the thread if of interest
Gaming on 16 inch MacBook pro
I’ve had the 2.4/32GB/2TB/5600M model for a day (after returning the same specced model but with a 5500M) and I‘m no longer experiencing overheating/excessive fan ramping when connected to a 165hz 1440p monitor.
It's way quieter in that video. You can hear birds chirping and see the dB meter pick that up at a few inches distance.
I wonder if it's the ultra-high-speed memory. Maybe it runs cooler for the same required speed to deal with multiple displays at different resolutions.
If true, that would be a better solution than eGPU, for a similar price (for comparable performance).
This guy in the forum also reported that runs cooler, quite and faster, not sure what type of connection is he using with his tv tho
Gaming on 16 inch MacBook pro
Just playing a couples games on my Vizio 75 inch TV @ 1080 120HZ Tarkov 90FPS Med. Settings Valorant 200FPS Max COD MW 100-120FPS High Settings Project Cars 2 120 FPS Max (Game is capped at 120) Turbo is off, No battery drain CPU and GPU temps stay under 65C Impressive Chip, its a keeper.
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That was my choice too after wrestling with the 16" for 10 days. The 13" works great. Slightly slower, slightly smaller, but otherwise perfect.
I would honestly still prefer the 16" if it worked because I do a lot of 3D, mograph, photoshop, afx, final cut, etc. and I like the speed - extra 8 cores and additional 32Gb ram makes a difference.
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I haven't had any issues with the 13". I had them both for a few days and did do side by side work comparisons.
Hello everybody,
I use my base 16" open lid together with an DELL P2421DC (2K Monitor), with the external monitor connected to the left side per USB-C and seperate power supply on the right side of my MBP. Custom Resolution external monitor: 2048x1152 HiDPI, 60 Hz, internal monitor: 1536x960 which is one setting below standard.
Radeon High Side is usually at 18w but the fans are mostly below 2.000 rpm and never exceed 2.500 rpm in everyday use. I almost never hear them. Temps are usually at 58-60 degrees celsius (65 max) when browsing the web with multiply tabs, watching Youtube and Office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint).
I am also not happy with the Radeon constantly drawing 18w but I don't think there is going to be a fix from Apple.
Clamshell is not an option for me and so I will have to live with it. I agree that this is not acceptable for a machine in this price segment. Other than that the 16" is a great machine.
I use my base 16" open lid together with an DELL P2421DC (2K Monitor), with the external monitor connected to the left side per USB-C and seperate power supply on the right side of my MBP. Custom Resolution external monitor: 2048x1152 HiDPI, 60 Hz, internal monitor: 1536x960 which is one setting below standard.
Radeon High Side is usually at 18w but the fans are mostly below 2.000 rpm and never exceed 2.500 rpm in everyday use. I almost never hear them. Temps are usually at 58-60 degrees celsius (65 max) when browsing the web with multiply tabs, watching Youtube and Office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint).
I am also not happy with the Radeon constantly drawing 18w but I don't think there is going to be a fix from Apple.
Clamshell is not an option for me and so I will have to live with it. I agree that this is not acceptable for a machine in this price segment. Other than that the 16" is a great machine.
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I'd say you are quite fortunate, be glad. I also don't want to run in clamshell mode and the fans on my MBP16 regularly run over 5,500 rpm with my average daily usage.
Ok, that's crazy. What's your everyday workflow and which external monitor do you use?
It's not that hard.
Chrome + RDP and I'm already above 4000rpm...
Starting to use RDP or zoom or MSTeams and it jumps to 5K easily.
Starting real work - forget it.
Connected and powered via USB-C to a Philips 346B1, a new 34 inch ultra wide monitor with USB hub.
Usually I have the following activities running at the same time:
- For work - Microsoft Teams (multiple video calls per day), Office for Mac (Word, Excel, Powerpoint), Outlook for Mac, Chrome (typically 8 tabs on the go), Monday
- For personal - Safari (typically 3 tabs on the go), Mail, Apple Music, Photos.
Fans have been running between 3,800 and 5,500 all morning so far.
Ok that should really not cause the fans to constantly run in that range. It's really a shame. And temperatures?
1) Yes, this could be acceptable on a single core machine.
The MBP16 is an 8 core notebook. It has to be designed to handle much higher demands.
2) The fans start spinning without MSTeams or any other application, it is enough to connect 2 external displays.
Well I'm on a MS Teams call now. Temperature showing as 63C, fans are 5,404 and 5,022.
I'd find that really annoying. I have sometimes used a separate computer for Zoom conferences because of load concerns. My 2015 13 seems to run Zoom just fine if nothing else is running.
Sounds like my Dell laptop then. Quiet and cool when portable but hot and noisy when driving those 4K monitors.
It is very annoying and it's why I have escalated to Apple Support. The support advisor has escalated to an engineer so I'm waiting to get their feedback.
In the meantime you need a solution.
We've had blogs at work on how to deal with equipment and other issues given that you can't really get new equipment right now as our procurement system isn't really working.
It's functional and getting used daily for work all day. So I'm putting up with it while seeking Apple support as I don't believe the noise and heat is acceptable for a laptop at this price. I also have a concern that running so hot surely can not be good for longevity. Glad I have Apple Care in that respect.
I really hope that the move to ARM chips solve this problem. Buying a Mac Pro to deal with heat issue is not a viable solution for most people.
I tested my USB-C to DisplayPort cable with the USB-C Meter, it pulls 0.001A or something, so no power draw through the cable - so while it was established on this thread anyway, it's not a cable issue :/ (The Type-C meter I linked earlier on this thread can run the screen with 4K 60Hz by the way, impressive)
To be honest, I'm quite jealous of 5600M's if they don't heat and also perform that well, comparatively, our 5500M's are just a hinderance, the systems would perform better with just internal GPU's
Quite honestly, if I had the option, I'd buy a base 5300M anyway, my biggest tech lesson that applies to pretty much anything: go for the simplest and most humble option
It's not worth $700 - but getting a 5300M is definitely worth paying less, and having that money for a future replacement
To be honest, I'm quite jealous of 5600M's if they don't heat and also perform that well, comparatively, our 5500M's are just a hinderance, the systems would perform better with just internal GPU's
Quite honestly, if I had the option, I'd buy a base 5300M anyway, my biggest tech lesson that applies to pretty much anything: go for the simplest and most humble option
It's not worth $700 - but getting a 5300M is definitely worth paying less, and having that money for a future replacement
I'm sure people that have specific needs can definitely put that 5600 to use but for most folks I agree with your statement.
I got the cable that was suggested here (pluggable) and ultimately I also see no difference.
By the way, I just switched to Windows/Bootcamp to release some updates
The GPU was using 14W, and the temps were 57-60C to start with, which is just incredible
When you just slide the power profile from the Taskbar to "Maximum Battery Life" - the experience was just incredible, the average temp was still 64C - but the maximum temperature was around 70C's
Also one easily noticeable thing, on MacOS - with an external monitor, I almost lose 1% every minute - on the bootcamp, I stayed for 2 hours - and used only 45% with the external screen on, so basically, with lighter tasks, no video playback etc. - so on terms that Apple can understand, I got 2.5X Better Battery Life on Windows
14W was still meh, but honestly, first time with this Macbook and an external monitor, I felt safe to just let it be, on Windows out of all places, it was very unexpected
The GPU was using 14W, and the temps were 57-60C to start with, which is just incredible
When you just slide the power profile from the Taskbar to "Maximum Battery Life" - the experience was just incredible, the average temp was still 64C - but the maximum temperature was around 70C's
Also one easily noticeable thing, on MacOS - with an external monitor, I almost lose 1% every minute - on the bootcamp, I stayed for 2 hours - and used only 45% with the external screen on, so basically, with lighter tasks, no video playback etc. - so on terms that Apple can understand, I got 2.5X Better Battery Life on Windows
14W was still meh, but honestly, first time with this Macbook and an external monitor, I felt safe to just let it be, on Windows out of all places, it was very unexpected
By the way, I just switched to Windows/Bootcamp to release some updates
The GPU was using 14W, and the temps were 57-60C to start with, which is just incredible
When you just slide the power profile from the Taskbar to "Maximum Battery Life" - the experience was just incredible, the average temp was still 64C - but the maximum temperature was around 70C's
Also one easily noticeable thing, on MacOS - with an external monitor, I almost lose 1% every minute - on the bootcamp, I stayed for 2 hours - and used only 45% with the external screen on, so basically, with lighter tasks, no video playback etc. - so on terms that Apple can understand, I got 2.5X Better Battery Life on Windows
14W was still meh, but honestly, first time with this Macbook and an external monitor, I felt safe to just let it be, on Windows out of all places, it was very unexpected
14w with external monitor and lit open?
If that is the case, sounds good! And that gives hopes that the wattage can be improved on MacOS.