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(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
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You can fit anything you like in there.
Nope. Get the Razer Core X or Razer Core X Chroma. It has 100W power delivery to prevent battery drain when you're actually using the MBP for any intensive tasks. Almost all other eGPU enclosures only provide 60W or 87W and the 16" MBP ideally wants at least 94W (what Apple provides in the box).
And yes, even with the dGPU using less power because you have an eGPU attached, the machine can give more power to the CPU increasing CPU performance and still hitting that ~94W total system power draw.
See this screenshot, total system power ~110W while compiling an app in Xcode, with Radeon High Side ~7W with eGPU and external display attached.
Just that one guy. But mine is on the way and I'll post results when it gets here.
This guy is showing it directly compared to a 5500m 8GB... Not with an external display but under GPU load... Way quieter...
I sent a PM to another user but with my 5600M, Radeon High Side stays at ~5W in clamshell and 6-8W with screen opened when connected to external display.
That’s very interesting. What kind of monitor, resolution and cable are you using? Have you tried pushing it with more gpu intensive apps or even running 4k+ full screen youtube videos? Really considering upgrading
Has anyone gotten a reply from apple yet on this matter what is the updated position their taking for choosing badly engineered GPUs
Didn't mean to attack you in any way.
In your position, if you really can't "live" with it, I would sell it and buy an older used one until Apple fixes their new ****. That's all I meant
Didn't mean to attack you in any way.
In your position, if you really can't "live" with it, I would sell it and buy an older used one until Apple fixes their new ****. That's all I meant
No worries I didn’t feel attacked by you. Apple just really dropped the ball once agin
Hello everyone,
I am having the same problems as you and 2 days ago Amazon offered to deliver me a replacement for a new MacBook PRO 16 "I9 / 5500M 1to.
I just plugged the Mac into my DELL U2720 Q 4K screen.
I set up the Mac and iCloud account and after 5 minutes the fans started very hard.
Interestingly, by pressing the SIRI button, the sound stops clear, then when you leave SIRI the fans start to turn hard.
I have nothing to install in the machine, no software.
I made a recording for proof, and a photo of the Mac connected to the DELL screen.
I think it's a machine design flaw.
In desperate search for a working Mac ...
Apple has never replied to my messages, never.
We will see if Apple responds with advertising for the MacBook Pro 16 "fans WinterSeries
I am having the same problems as you and 2 days ago Amazon offered to deliver me a replacement for a new MacBook PRO 16 "I9 / 5500M 1to.
I just plugged the Mac into my DELL U2720 Q 4K screen.
I set up the Mac and iCloud account and after 5 minutes the fans started very hard.
Interestingly, by pressing the SIRI button, the sound stops clear, then when you leave SIRI the fans start to turn hard.
I have nothing to install in the machine, no software.
I made a recording for proof, and a photo of the Mac connected to the DELL screen.
I think it's a machine design flaw.
In desperate search for a working Mac ...
Apple has never replied to my messages, never.
We will see if Apple responds with advertising for the MacBook Pro 16 "fans WinterSeries
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GDDR6 memory uses 3-4 times more power than HBM2 memory even while being more performant. The problem exhibits when the memory clock is forced to maximum frequency to avoid glitching with multiple displays (by design). That's going to be significantly more power (and more heat) for the 5300m and 5500m with GDDR6 memory, which also run at a higher frequency.
It's the same 50W TGP for 5600m and 5500m, but 75% faster. That has to be able to provide more performance per watt and therefore less heat for a given load.
It's not a full model update (no redesigned cooling). It's just an additional BTO graphics option.
I don't believe the story with GDDR6 vs. HBM2 in this context. There are enough examples from the past, as well as competing products that don't have this error or bug. Especially since it works in clamshell mode for many people.
And that the 5600 is just another BTO option and not a product refresh is nothing new to me. But that doesn't exclude changes. They are not visible to the customer.
An external display should not overburden an MBP in 2020. Competitive models or predecessor MBPs with dedicated GPUs work fine.
The Windows drivers on the EXACT SAME LAPTOP work fine. Definitely a driver issue.
I went to search for this on AMDs forums and didn't find any thread about it? So I started one with the exact same subject as this one:
Macbook Pro 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
Macbook Pro 16" laptops with the 5300M and 5500M dedicated GPUs run with Radeon High Side at 20W when connected to an external monitor. This causes the machine to run VERY hot and the fans to spin to over 5000rpm. The EXACT SAME LAPTOP running the Windows drivers through Apple bootcamp do not...
as soon as a moderator approves it I would encourage others to post there as well.
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I solved my problem using SwithResX;
Problem definition: When I use my computer (MacBook Pro 16") with my external monitor (Dell U2713HM) my computer's dedicated GPU (AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4 GB) consumes a lot of power and fans spin constantly.
I use my computer in clamshell mode and connect to my monitor using a USB-C to DisplayPort cable.
Solution: I realized my computer drives the monitor with a weird hertz (59.88).
When I looked at the EDID info of my monitor using SwitchResX, I realized the hertz value should be 59.951.
Monitor Description blocks:
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Descriptor #0 - Timing definition:
Mode = 2560 × 1440 @ 59.951Hz
Pixel Clock............. 241.50 MHz Not Interlaced
Horizontal Vertical
Active.................. 2560 pixels 1440 lines
Front Porch............. 48 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 5 lines
Back Porch.............. 80 pixels 33 lines
Blanking................ 160 pixels 41 lines
Total................... 2720 pixels 1481 lines
Scan Rate............... 88.787 kHz 59.951 Hz
Image Size.............. 597 mm 336 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines
I have created three custom resolutions;
2560x1440@59.951
2560x1440@50
2560x1440@60
When I use 2560x1440@50 or 2560x1440@59.951 the fan only spins under heavy load.
So my problem solved, the issue fixed and I am really happy because It worked without a new cable.
Problem definition: When I use my computer (MacBook Pro 16") with my external monitor (Dell U2713HM) my computer's dedicated GPU (AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4 GB) consumes a lot of power and fans spin constantly.
I use my computer in clamshell mode and connect to my monitor using a USB-C to DisplayPort cable.
Solution: I realized my computer drives the monitor with a weird hertz (59.88).
When I looked at the EDID info of my monitor using SwitchResX, I realized the hertz value should be 59.951.
Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 - Timing definition:
Mode = 2560 × 1440 @ 59.951Hz
Pixel Clock............. 241.50 MHz Not Interlaced
Horizontal Vertical
Active.................. 2560 pixels 1440 lines
Front Porch............. 48 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 5 lines
Back Porch.............. 80 pixels 33 lines
Blanking................ 160 pixels 41 lines
Total................... 2720 pixels 1481 lines
Scan Rate............... 88.787 kHz 59.951 Hz
Image Size.............. 597 mm 336 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines
I have created three custom resolutions;
2560x1440@59.951
2560x1440@50
2560x1440@60
When I use 2560x1440@50 or 2560x1440@59.951 the fan only spins under heavy load.
So my problem solved, the issue fixed and I am really happy because It worked without a new cable.
After struggling with this issue for month (and not getting any real help from the support just the usual nothing...), today I went in to an Apple Store, explained the issue, and they were very helpful, and I got a refund in a few minutes.
It was an unexpected but very positive experience.
So I was reviewing 13 inch MBP options on the Apple UK site to try and assess which model I'd ideally like to replace my hairdryer (sorry, 16 inch MBP). This on the basis that the 13 inch models seem to have less fan / heat issues. I selected the new 13 inch 10th gen i5. Just for a laugh I put my 16inch MBP details into the "trade in value" on the Apple website.
I didn't laugh. £460 was the princely trade in sum offered by Apple. £460 for a MBP that cost me £2,850 in December 2019 I know trade in values are never good but FFS, that is taking the p*** 🤨
I didn't laugh. £460 was the princely trade in sum offered by Apple. £460 for a MBP that cost me £2,850 in December 2019
I know trade in values are never good but FFS, that is taking the p*** 🤨
This is rediculous, just gonna return my 16's and just use Acer 11" Netbooks from now on in the office, atleas the pos netbooks dont sound like a Saturn 5 rocket taking off when used on external displays.
Honestly, ive gotten ear plugs, blast shields and heat resistant hazmat that helped mitigate Apples engineering shortfalls. I was going to upgrade the spinkler system so we can pre-wet the takeoff areas around the office to help mitigate thermal damage when the macbooks get ready for takeoff.
I had no idea Apple was competing with Space-X on full flow rocket tech.
I've had enough,with 20+ 16"MBP working away, it sounds like a Chinese cryptofarm.
Now is there even a PC alternative to this 16" that isnt a dell with engineering issues.
Honestly, ive gotten ear plugs, blast shields and heat resistant hazmat that helped mitigate Apples engineering shortfalls. I was going to upgrade the spinkler system so we can pre-wet the takeoff areas around the office to help mitigate thermal damage when the macbooks get ready for takeoff.
I had no idea Apple was competing with Space-X on full flow rocket tech.
I've had enough,with 20+ 16"MBP working away, it sounds like a Chinese cryptofarm.
Now is there even a PC alternative to this 16" that isnt a dell with engineering issues.
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Wow, if you read trough this thread one could get the impression that the MBP 16 is the worst MacBook ever.
I can only speak for myself but besides the external monitor issue it's a great machine and actually the best MB (in terms of value) you can buy right now. I would never switch to the 13 inch MBP...
It's really a shame that this great machine struggles with external monitors, but I just don't see Apple fixing this. I think the only ones who can fix it are AMD and I don't think that will happen.
I can only speak for myself but besides the external monitor issue it's a great machine and actually the best MB (in terms of value) you can buy right now. I would never switch to the 13 inch MBP...
It's really a shame that this great machine struggles with external monitors, but I just don't see Apple fixing this. I think the only ones who can fix it are AMD and I don't think that will happen.
The overheating issue is the longest thread both here and on the official Apple forums for a reason. The issue is annoying as hell! And Apple isn't exactly being great with their customer service by just denying it's an issue.
I agree that it's a fabulous laptop when used without an external monitor. I love it. I would have no hesitation recommending it to someone who always planned to use it without connecting a monitor.
But with an external monitor it is, unfortunately, a totally different experience. And I think Apple has seriously underestimated the number of people who use these machines as daily drivers for work, connected to a monitor. It's bordering on unusable for people who do lots of video conference calls. Like me. For Apple to brush it off as "expected behaviour", the stock answer that many of us had had following support escalation, is not acceptable.
I don't deny that. It's not acceptable and the way Apple Support is reacting makes it even worse.