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Jonr515

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If Apple Computers didn't mean anything to me, to be frank, i just simply wouldn't give a ****. 256 Gigabytes requires to have external storage to survive in a system that is not upgradable. If they had 320 Gigabytes I'd probably happy with it but 256 is not enough, it's just too close to what you need nowadays.

Or go for 380 I dunno but 256 is just too close to what you'd saturate nowdays.

They've played the same game with 128 and keep doing it with 256 until it is totally unexceptable.
You sound like someone who wouldn't be happy with anything Apple did. "If only they" is a slippery slope. If Apple went with 380 how would that solve your problem when you are claiming 200GB per semester? GD troll.
 

Maconplasma

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Going from 256 to 1 tb would be fine for what they ask for but not 500.
If Apple Computers didn't mean anything to me, to be frank, i just simply wouldn't give a ****. 256 Gigabytes requires to have external storage to survive in a system that is not upgradable. If they had 320 Gigabytes I'd probably happy with it but 256 is not enough, it's just too close to what you need nowadays.
First you say 500 is not enough and 1TB is what it should be then on another post you state that you would be fine with 320. ? EVERYONE PLEASE, THE OP IS TROLLING THIS THREAD. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS! I'm going to ask a moderator to check out this thread. I'm out.
 

theSeb

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That's a myth and it doesn't count for current Apple Macbooks, internal components-wise, when it comes to capacitors, resistors and general power layout designs, they are pretty average. Just watch videos of Louis Rossman who repairs them on a daily basis, before the M1, Apple put the rail which powers the backlight of the display next to the power outlet rail which leads to many defects of the backlight lead being fried when it shorts through dust in the device.

The old macbooks endured very well but they had better board designs.

When it comes to Windows Laptops, there are many which come with 512 GB of storage and when they are upgraded, it's about 100 additionally.

Dell XPS Laptops I'd say are direct competitors which come with 512 Gigabytes standard.

It is just unacceptable to me for a "premium" brand to equip laptops with such few storage space.

To upgrade the base model from 8 to 16 gb and 500 gb storage nearly 500 Euro, that's just too much. The type of drive they are using and the ram are together 150 max. To add another 150 would be fine for the apple premium but they just take unnecessarily money based on how much people would border on finding it unacceptable.
Dell XPS 13” laptops come with 128 GB standard in the lowest model.

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theSeb

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That's my point, if they make it as a standard config, it won't raise the price as much and give the professional customers the required satisfaction.

I do masters in engineering and 256 won't cut it just purely based on my curriculum and files that I need to work on.
?

But seriously, no. Unless your masters thesis topic is ‘compression of files greater than 256 GB‘.
 

Juicy Box

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Back in 2020, I got really excited, seeing an in-house based chip at a great price point with plenty of battery and portability, to be only disappointed by the mere 256 Gigabytes of storage it comes with.
It totally depends on the user and what they do.

My wife has 64GB SSD storage on her MBA, and has not issues.

256GB storage would be overkill for her.

It isn't like there are not any larger storage options.

What upsets me equally is then obviously again the price point for which you go from 256 to 512 Gigabytes. I mean, 50 Euro would be realistic, 100 to 120 I'd be willing to give for the brand premium but 250 is just ludacris.
So, it sounds like you are more upset about Apple's higher tier/BTO prices rather than Apple only having 256GB base storage.

I understand about the BTO option prices, but Apple is on their way to being a multi-trillion dollar company, and they are not going to get there by having cheap BTO options.


Just papers and docs are about 200 Gigabytes every semester for me and with which memory am I going to install apps now?
That is insane... I don't think I had 200 GB of school docs the whole time I was in college.

It sounds like it might be worth it for you to pay extra for the higher storage options.
 

Veeper

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Nov 20, 2020
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It's very simple. Buy what you need. Many people don't need or want more than 256GB so why would you make them pay for it? How many times do we have to hear that "choice is good" but then when given choices they complain.
Yup.
My company runs a huge fleet of Macs and 256gb is perfect for us.
 
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Ethosik

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And now add third part samples and contents and you'll be adding another 150.
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Then get the space you need? I do ALL of my work on external devices. That way if my system goes down, I can easily move to my other macs and keep on working. So I don't need a lot of space, and I really don't need ALL of those programs I have installed anyway.
 

Veeper

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......


Then get the space you need? I do ALL of my work on external devices. That way if my system goes down, I can easily move to my other macs and keep on working. So I don't need a lot of space, and I really don't need ALL of those programs I have installed anyway.
Those are great habits to have. ??
 
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Tev11

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what document are u making that cumulatively adds up to 200+ gb?
tf lol
 

abhi182

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For someone who did not have space issues with even a 128GB MBP, 256GB is absolutely fine.

That however does not change the OPs observation that the incremental price difference for an extra 256GB is very high.
I went NAS and subsequently cloud a long time ago - but not everyone is comfortable or prefers that model.
Outside of the US , that percentage would be even smaller.

On the M1, I can still get the incremental RAM costing more because of the integrated die..
But the HDD upgrade is 6X the price of a equally fast nvme drive - which is steep - whichever way you look at it.

Again, it's entirely Apple's prerogative how they price their systems or upgrades - but I do think that a more reasonable pricing for that would have helped them with garnering a higher market share.
 
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theSeb

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Dont know where you found this but most of them come with 512 and a few with 256 and for about 80 bucks more you'd have 512.
I found it on the Dell website. It's pretty clear it's from the Dell website since that's what their website looks like. Why don't you just buy Dell, instead of looking for windmills to fight? I am not sure what your crusade is over here?
 

cupcakes2000

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The point of a laptop is to be portable wherever you are. With cloud accounts and NAS you pretty much compensate obviously for the lack of standard space.

I don't like the idea of uploading personal data to a cloud and a NAS isn't really portable.

You know, if i didn't give a **** about Apple, I wouldn't have put up the energy to make such a post on a board I deem frequented by most Apple Users.
A nas is a personal cloud. The machine isn’t supposed to be portable (??) but as it’s Network Attached Storage, then why would it be?!
Louis Rossman knows as much about the Mac as Britney Spears knows about nuclear physics...
Fake news. I saw on YouTube a video that some guy posted that said that Britney Spears is actually a nuclear physicist. ? now who’s trolling.

/s
 
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robco74

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The Lenovo X1 Carbon also starts at 256GBs, and like the XPS 13, you can save by getting it with Linux instead of Windows. For the customizable config, the cost to upgrade to 512GB is $268, 1TB is $536. Unlike the MBA, you can't get 2TB. As others have pointed out, the Dell XPS 13 also starts at 256GB. For Dell, the cost of 512GB is $98, 1TB is $245. For the MBA, it's $250 for the 512GB (and an extra GPU core), another $200 for 1TB.
 

majormike

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The Lenovo X1 Carbon also starts at 256GBs, and like the XPS 13, you can save by getting it with Linux instead of Windows. For the customizable config, the cost to upgrade to 512GB is $268, 1TB is $536. Unlike the MBA, you can't get 2TB. As others have pointed out, the Dell XPS 13 also starts at 256GB. For Dell, the cost of 512GB is $98, 1TB is $245. For the MBA, it's $250 for the 512GB (and an extra GPU core), another $200 for 1TB.
Yes Apple takes about twice the price on average of all other manufacturers and I don't say whatever Lenovo is doing is correct either okay?

You also have to remember that on most of these laptops, except the XPS, which has a reasonable upgrade price, you can actually put in a bigger ssd yourself for a much lower price, which is not the case in apple Laptops and given the small footprint of the M1 now, they could've added a swappable storage.

A 1 tb samsung nvme for the Lenovo will set you back merely 120 bucks with read and write speeds of 3000 mb compared to apple's 2000.
 

MBAir2010

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Dell XPS 13” laptops come with 128 GB standard in the lowest model.
great laptop, i purchased the 265GB for an extra $100 and the fact i could swap the drive for space or failure. i never had a problem with the Dell XPS and i worked-earned enough to pay that off!
Too bad i cant install Mojave on that!
In Which windows works on all/most Macbooks
 

Veeper

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Nov 20, 2020
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Yes Apple takes about twice the price on average of all other manufacturers and I don't say whatever Lenovo is doing is correct either okay?

You also have to remember that on most of these laptops, except the XPS, which has a reasonable upgrade price, you can actually put in a bigger ssd yourself for a much lower price, which is not the case in apple Laptops and given the small footprint of the M1 now, they could've added a swappable storage.

A 1 tb samsung nvme for the Lenovo will set you back merely 120 bucks with read and write speeds of 3000 mb compared to apple's 2000.

Lets be real though, I’d personally pay twice the price for the Apple touchpad alone, not to mention the dismal thermals in the X1 Carbon, T490s, every XPS 13 (even that fanless U version), and every XPS/Precision that shared the same chassis. And that 2-in-1 15” XPS with the AMD GPU on the Intel proc? Hot box t-junction nightmare!

Plus, every one of those has some kind of grey stick of gum heat pad on the M.2 SSD because of how hot things get.

Hey at least they all share the “let’s make an air mattress out of this battery” problem now.
 
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Richard Tillard

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Feb 8, 2021
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I ofter meet people saying that they don't have space on iPhone, Mac and other. I'm always checking their storage information and what I see? In 90% percent times people are not optimizing their storage. If you a content maker (video, audio) - yes you don't have a lot of ways and need a big storage options or try to use external drives. But mostly think how to use your space more wisely. For different types of work 256GB - is a very nice and profitable option!
 

fmacmac

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Feb 7, 2021
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You know what? I agree. 256GB is too small. It’s fine for most people but it’s still too small. 1TB should be the default and it should not cost more than the 256GB do right now. Apple can easily afford to eat the margins. 1TB and 2TB should be the standard configs.

why should Apple eat the margins? They are running a business.

The 1TB is a standard config
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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Lets be real though, I’d personally pay twice the price for the Apple touchpad alone

Why when palm rejection on M1 is currently broken where bottom palm of hand moves the mouse cursor?
 

Mistborn15

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A Samsung T7 is just 50gms. Won't make any difference to portability. Yes, Apple does ask a lot for storage. That's why I'll never pay them that and use external SSDs
 

kiranmk2

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Apple are always stingy with storage. Most people remember the 16 GB iPhone problems but it's been the same with Macs too. When I got my first MacBook in 2009, a cheap Dell came with a 250 Gb drive. Most Windows laptops came with 320 GB. The MacBook? 160 GB at base and 250 GB higher level. It wasn't an issue back then because you could upgrade the drive yourself but now you can't it's annoying. Apple is running a business, but I can't help feel that lowering the upgrade price would entice a lot more people to upgrade. Portable 1 TB SSD sticks are getting cheaper all the time - in some cases <£100.
 

Toutou

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Even as a student, 256 are not going to be enough. Just papers and docs are about 200 Gigabytes every semester for me
I find this VERY hard to believe. A 128 GB MacBook Pro got me through university (all course material 100% digital) and at the moment is getting my GF through university just fine.
The only person who'd be able to survive with 256 Gigabytes of non-upgradable storage would be my grandma
I currently have over 140 GB free on my 256 GB Air, and that's with 30 GB of Steam games. I'm literally a pro user and this computer in this exact state provides all my income.
 
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