Will be interesting to see Mercedes after halfway. Really didn’t look good in FP2 on full tanks. They seem to perform significantly better on half fuel load and under.
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Will be interesting to see Mercedes after halfway. Really didn’t look good in FP2 on full tanks. They seem to perform significantly better on half fuel load and under.
I think the RB has better race pace than qualifying pace. I’m expecting Max to drive off into the distance.
Possibly changeable weather could spice things up. But Max is pretty good in the wet as well. Just got to hope they make the wrong tyre choice if that happens.
Still the race for second and third will be interesting.
Interesting qualifying, both for who ended up where and how the cars did better on longer stints on the Soft tires.
Albon was an absolute boss and The Hulk looked good, as well.
At least Perez won't make the podium so that leaves an extra spot open for an Aston or AMG.
Albon was an absolute boss and The Hulk looked good, as well.
At least Perez won't make the podium so that leaves an extra spot open for an Aston or AMG.
My prediction is i’ll be waking up tomorrow and Max will have won with a minute advantage. Alonso or a Merc on the podium for something interesting to salvage.
Nice to see old Hamilton coming in second and Alonso third. A crap race though by the looks and reactions. Glad I didn’t watch it
Watch the highlights just for context.Nice to see old Hamilton coming in second and Alonso third. A crap race though by the looks and reactions. Glad I didn’t watch it
This is what happens you pander to Netflix DTS fans. There was no need for either of the first 2 red flags. And then of course they had the completely predictable red flag when they turned the whole event into a 2 lap shootout.
Unfortunately DTS is the preferred audience now and I think it’ll frustrate me if I catch up on this one. I’ve read as much as I need to to know what happened and how fabricated the show was.
Another one leaving me asking why I even bother. You won't think the sports has one of the biggest rule books given the way FIA just make **** up on the day. The only real entertainment was as a result of accidents, and even that became a complete and utter farce as the FIA haven't got a f**king clue what they are doing.
I think this time, I might just be done with the circus. Sorry, rant over
I think this time, I might just be done with the circus. Sorry, rant over
Nice to see old Hamilton coming in second and Alonso third. A crap race though by the looks and reactions. Glad I didn’t watch it
Yea, Demolition Derby 2023. I still think George would have finished above Lewis if his Turbo didn’t self destruct. At least Mercedes looks to be making progress. The more competition the better.
Still crazy how fast the RB 19 is though. Without the Red Flags Max would have been a mile in front on lap 58.
There was a lot of talk about luck after the last race. But George certainly didn’t have any in this race.
DRS was just too powerful at this track. Those without it are a sitting duck for the car behind, especially if that’s a RB.
Glad they reinstated Alonso to third after the demolition derby.
Carbon fibre manufacturers were the real winners after that one!
DRS was just too powerful at this track. Those without it are a sitting duck for the car behind, especially if that’s a RB.
Glad they reinstated Alonso to third after the demolition derby.
Carbon fibre manufacturers were the real winners after that one!
Gutted for LeClerc, Albon and Russel. Especially Albon, who was a best the entire weekend and might have been Top 6 which would have been huge for him and Williams.
As for the Red Flags, it's a street circuit so it's dangerous to fill it with workers while the cars circulate by even under the Safety Car as the cars need to be moving at motorway speeds even then. We've called out the FIA for close-calls between cars and equipment on track during Safety Cars so I'd rather they err on the side of caution. Albon threw a ton of gravel onto the track at a high-speed corner so I agree with the decision to allow it to be fully cleaned up. Same with Magnussen's car, which was in a dangerous spot for the track workers/equipment under a Safety Car.
I am not sure if rolling re-starts are allowed, but if they are, that is what they should have done after they cleaned up Magnussen's wreckage because it was clear it was going to be an all-out fist-fight through the first three corners and the chance for calamity was high.
Yes, as a long-term watcher it's not like 'the old days", but on the flip side, Formula One has never been more popular with record TV ratings and record crowds at every circuit (including ones that less than a decade ago were at risk of closing their gates) and record TV ratings along with more manufacturers both wanting to enter and to stay. And since F1 is the only sport I follow, I'm happy that I don't need to worry about it fading away into obscurity or irrelevance.
It was nice to see 7 Constructors in the Top 8 with 20 laps to go. George is more of a racer than Lewis so he might have been able to hold him off if Albon had not brought out the Red Flag, but they might have wrecked each other, as well. I also wonder if Russel's engine was just not long for the world or all the hard pushing he had to do to make up spots after said Red Flag pushed it over the edge into failure.
Yeah even without Albon's Red Flag, it was only a matter of time for Max to take them. Even Perez surprised me with how many spots he made up. It is clear the RB19 is just in another league like the MP4/4 and FW14(B) were in their time.
As for the Red Flags, it's a street circuit so it's dangerous to fill it with workers while the cars circulate by even under the Safety Car as the cars need to be moving at motorway speeds even then. We've called out the FIA for close-calls between cars and equipment on track during Safety Cars so I'd rather they err on the side of caution. Albon threw a ton of gravel onto the track at a high-speed corner so I agree with the decision to allow it to be fully cleaned up. Same with Magnussen's car, which was in a dangerous spot for the track workers/equipment under a Safety Car.
I am not sure if rolling re-starts are allowed, but if they are, that is what they should have done after they cleaned up Magnussen's wreckage because it was clear it was going to be an all-out fist-fight through the first three corners and the chance for calamity was high.
Yes, as a long-term watcher it's not like 'the old days", but on the flip side, Formula One has never been more popular with record TV ratings and record crowds at every circuit (including ones that less than a decade ago were at risk of closing their gates) and record TV ratings along with more manufacturers both wanting to enter and to stay. And since F1 is the only sport I follow, I'm happy that I don't need to worry about it fading away into obscurity or irrelevance.
It was nice to see 7 Constructors in the Top 8 with 20 laps to go. George is more of a racer than Lewis so he might have been able to hold him off if Albon had not brought out the Red Flag, but they might have wrecked each other, as well. I also wonder if Russel's engine was just not long for the world or all the hard pushing he had to do to make up spots after said Red Flag pushed it over the edge into failure.
Yeah even without Albon's Red Flag, it was only a matter of time for Max to take them. Even Perez surprised me with how many spots he made up. It is clear the RB19 is just in another league like the MP4/4 and FW14(B) were in their time.
I’m interested in what happened to George’s Drivetrain. I don’t still believe the Turbo Failed. There was some type of leak onto the exhaust. The engine sounded fine as he was stopping. Observers in the pits heard a loud “pressure leak“ sound as the car was being pushed past. Probably a Hydraulic Leak. Very uncharacteristic for AMG.
Well said. I don’t get all these superiority remarks over DTS. It’s was quite a race. Sure some controversy but as you say 7 different teams made up the top 8. That is cool.
Perez did amazing, I felt sorry for Max have to do it all over again several times. It just shows that it is never a give. I mean look at poor Charles out before the second corner.
And Toto and George gave us some entertainment with their inspector clue impressions hanging out on the pit lane looking at red bull at work. Sainz staying sheepishly in his car after spinning Alonso.
It was definitely not a dull race.
AMG evidently told SKY that it was a PSU failure and not a hydraulic leak. Guess we will know for sure if he needs component swaps before the next race.
I understand the frustration because it does seem like the FIA and FOM are "manufacturing excitement" like NASCAR does with things like the Green-White-Checkers finish which often just results in pile-ups as a mass of cars all jostle for the same bit of track or throwing a Yellow flag every time an Indy Car strays off track for more than a half-second.
There is also the lingering resentment from Abu Dhabi 2021 (resentment I feel, as well) where results seem to be manipulated to warrant a desired outcome (though in this case, you could argue that it was manipulated in Lewis' favor with the Lap 57 Red Flag as it was his only chance to win).
I do think cars should not be allowed to be worked on under a Red Flag because the race is formally stopped at that point. I would allow exceptions for obvious safety issues (like broken wheels, flat tires or loose bodywork). IMO, tire changes should not be allowed unless track conditions have changed for the worse (so if they stop in the dry and the skies open during the stoppage, the cars should be allowed to swap to Inters or Full Wets in the interest of safety).
TV audiences in the UK, Germany and France are nowhere near what they were back in 2009 due to the move to PPV. People tuning in to YouTube highlights being counted as ratings in disingenuous of publications IMO. The only time ratings go through the roof are at Silverstone or the last race of the season if it’s put on FTA.
It just shows that sometimes the decision on the rules works in one’s favour and other time they don’t. I mean in this race Lewis was moaning about George getting an advantage with his pit strategy. But then it’s all changed very rapidly, and Lewis was the big beneficiary which ever way this was going to unfold.
I don’t mind it, it is what it is and anything can happen.
I agree though that it would be better if cars can’t be worked on when the race is stopped.
Ultimately I still find it very enjoyable, and not just because my favourite team/driver won. It was an exciting race to get out of bed for early this morning.
It’s a global sport. This is not just about the UK and Silverstone; nor just British drivers. The UK hasn’t been the centre of the world for a long time now.
A lot of the drivers questioning the stewards decisions with strong hints it was designed to mix up the order to make the show better. Personally I think Liberty Media and the DTS production company are influencing things far too much as they know Red Bull have the potential to wrap this championship up at the earliest opportunity and there is pressure on the FIA to spice it up. It’s quite telling that the drivers aren’t towing the PR line on this after the race, especially Sainz who said he was so angry with the FIA he declined interviews so he didn’t say something he regretted on television.
It would be interesting to see how the PPV numbers have tracked since DTS since Netflix is a PPV service.
F1 has been PPV in the States since the 1980s (since ESPN/Fox Sports/SPEED were all cable-only channels) and most every cable, satellite and streaming service includes ESPN so DTS has been a massive boon to US viewing (and every team will tell you the US is a critical market for them).
For me, it comes down to if the Race Director had the option to re-start the race after the Lap 57 Red Flag with a rolling start. I know during wet conditions, re-starts are done under a rolling start, but not sure if that applies to dry conditions, as well. If they did have the option of a rolling re-start, then I would be inclined to agree the Standing Start was done to give Lewis and Alonso a shot at Verstappen as Max would otherwise have quickly left them in the dust.
I‘d agree it wasn’t dull. Just all the chaos caused by inconsistent rules applications made it seem more like a burden to watch than a race.
Aye - quite cheeky of the stewards to assess a time penalty to Sainz (pushing him from 4th to 12th) for punting Alonso when the rules effectively negated the lap and put Alonso back into 3rd place. Now if Alonso had not been able to restart due to being wrecked, okay, but since it had no impact on Alonso's finishing order, it was a BS penalty, IMO. And in Alonso's opinion, as well.
It’s only £6 a month for Netflix and around £60 a month for Sky and considering Sky are apparently losing subscribers (probably more so due to the cost of living crisis), I doubt it’s earth shattering in terms of increased figures. Abu Dhabi 2021 had nearly 15M tuning in with it also being on FTA, which is more than 10M more than usual. I can only speak for the UK though as I don’t pay any attention to other countries in regards to this to be honest. The DTS effect has been immensely negative for the sport in regards to quality of racing and today was yet another example of that. If F1 is only interested in getting an inflated audience that need the racing simplified and spiced up for them with nonsensical 2 or one lap shoot-outs, then they are welcome to it. We’ll keep the original prestige of the product intact over here
.It boils down to too much being focused on the box office and less about the quality of the racing. Today was a farce and as much as I’d like to see Lewis or Fernando beat Max to the finish, I want it done on merit and skill, not a sitting duck, second chance fabrication like the FIA keep trying to deliver. A lot of the audience may like to see a gifted win, but I want to see racing and the best drivers winning based on their skill and package from the team. This season Red Bull deserve it, they’ve done the best job.