And a pretty standard practice in most of the motorsports that I follow...
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And a pretty standard practice in most of the motorsports that I follow...
They had to physically stop because they bunched up from going too fast.
What normally happens on a restart is that the teams communicate when the SC lights are out. Which is generally at the last SC line. However, on a grid restart the SC lights go out at the end of S1 and it becomes the leader than sets the pace. In a formation lap they often do speed up and slow down - especially towards the end, where the leader will bunch the pack to avoid having to sit on the grid while waiting for everyone else. But we don't have these incidents on formation laps because it's a normal thing that happens at every race, so they expect it. A red flag and grid restart is not a normal thing.
The back of the grid was coming in too hot given the SC lights were out. It wasn't communicated to them in a regular fashion.
And of course David Coulthard, the Red Bull ambassador that is still on their books, thinks Lewis was wrong. He still thinks the best every qualifying lap was a Max Verstappen lap where he ended in a wall. We might as well ask Mr Spice what he thinks of Lewis. I am sure it will be a well balanced opinion.
That qualifying lap comes up quite a lot and it does make me laugh. The best qualifying lap ever until it wasn’t and not completed due to banging into a barrier
lol. Nearly David, nearly. You’re right, the Red Bull link does seem to cloud his judgement and he’s struggles to remain impartial when there is a discussion about anything not in Red Bull’s favour. He does regular demo’s for Red Bull and is very close with Horner which I don’t mind, I just wish it wasn’t so obvious sometimes in his commentary. I do like Coulthard though as he’s not afraid to say something controversial. I’d take him any day over Brundle, Croft and just about anyone on Sky F1. If Kravitz gets sacked at any point, please keep him away from Channel 4!!I have seen endless formation laps and very very rarely see them go so slow as to cause the pack to stop for so long.
But I see your agenda claiming Coulthard is a 'Red Bull' ambassador so no point discussing it.
The whole end of the race was a complete farce anyway, the last 2 laps being beyond utterly pointless.
Interesting
Just FYI, I'm a David Coulthard fan. Joined the fan-club in 1994 as a teenager. Had a whole bunch of diecasts back in the day and just bought his 1995 Williams FW17 and converted it to the tobacco livery. Wanted him to take a title in a McLaren but it wasn't to be. So lets not sit and call anything agenda my guy.
The pack stopped because they didn't slow down so all had to brake. I mean there was a whole investigation into it and an announcement of NFA because of what I said. But yeah cool.
Just FYI, I'm a David Coulthard fan. Joined the fan-club in 1994 as a teenager. Had a whole bunch of diecasts back in the day and just bought his 1995 Williams FW17 and converted it to the tobacco livery. Wanted him to take a title in a McLaren but it wasn't to be. So lets not sit and call anything agenda my guy.
I'd argue it is for the casual viewer worldwide as plenty of folks I know in the UK, the EU, Asia and elsewhere were drawn to Formula One directly because of "Drive to Survive" (which I have never watched, myself).
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To some extent but there does seem to be a big drive to finally make F1 appealing in the US hence why there is 3 Grand Prix in one country which many think is totally over the top. Whatever though, they are not for everybody and the reaction is clear across the more focused fan forums.
I’d love to see that season investigated, only for the leniency of the FIA towards Ferrari back then be further exposed. Spa would have to be reassigned back to Lewis after what was a very weak interpretation of the rules for handing back a position and they’d soon realise Felipe and Ferrari actually didn’t do enough in the end to win the drivers title.
I think if ever 2008 was thoroughly investigated by an independent with the FIA open to change the winner, then Mercedes would be doing the same for 2021 after the FIA admitted ‘human error decided the result’ and it opens a whole can of worms. What’s the time limit too? Could 1994 or 1990 be reassigned? It starts to get ridiculous and Felipe needs to accept he didn’t win it. He was magnanimous on that Brazil podium and is in danger of being remembered very differently.
We've also seen what happens when drivers/teams get removed from championships before - nothing changes. In 1997 they removed Schumacher from the championship for driving into Villenueve. But they didn't remove all of his points throughout the entire season retrospectively as that'd cause mayhem in the standings.
I'm all for removing Piquet and Renault from the 2008 standings. But not shuffling the points about 15 years later.
I'm all for removing Piquet and Renault from the 2008 standings. But not shuffling the points about 15 years later.
2008 was the season we had 8 different winners...? Right? I loved that season for that reason.
But, yes, please fix 19994!!
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To be fair, the UK/EU has three times as many with nine races this year.
One in each country yes. Europe is a continent and no different to the US, Canada and Mexico where they could have one race each. No idea what point you are trying to make to be honest, but probably best to just move on.
But it is as easy to travel within the EU as it is the US (hence why we see so many Brits, Germans, Spaniards and now Dutch at each EU/UK event) and the land mass and demographics are not wildly different.
Multiple races in one country has not been an outlier in the history of the sport. The US had two from 1976 to 1983 (one for each half of the country), Japan had both Suzuka and Aida (the Pacific Grand Prix) and the European Grand Prix allowed the UK, Germany and Spain to have two races in the same year specifically to cater to the popularity of the sport in each of those countries. And Italy has held races in the same year at Imola and Monza for decades.
Agreed.
In other news, did anyone see FP1Will's Comedy Report on the Australian F2 and F3 weekends? Yikes!
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One persons tactical is another persons dirty. I think we can all agree that it was intentional. Personally I think it was unnecessary, and caused trouble and danger unnecessarily (but agreed without fault) and thus I find dirty a better description that tactical.
Not way over the top, the USA as a country is only just smaller than Europe as a continent. Three Grand Prix doesn't seem a lot at all to me.
Exactly, and with Russia being boycotted it is on paper now slightly smaller than the USA as well. I have no problem with races in the USA.To be fair, the UK/EU has three times as many with nine races this year.
I think it is nice that the sport is attracting all ages from all around the world, and no longer is just some UK elitist nerdy audience supported by Middle-East money. It is so much more inclusive nowadays, it is a very good thing.
It seems Ferrari have had their appeal over Carlos Sainz’ penalty in Australia rejected.
It was rejected on the grounds that there was ‘no significant or relevant new element’ brought forward by the Scuderia.
Harsh, very harsh and the FIA are doing themselves no favours after the criticism levelled at them due to decisions being made purely to spice up what has potential to be another dull season. The fact that lap was restarted and held to the finish should mean Carlos and his racing incident should have been given the same treatment.
It was rejected on the grounds that there was ‘no significant or relevant new element’ brought forward by the Scuderia.
Harsh, very harsh and the FIA are doing themselves no favours after the criticism levelled at them due to decisions being made purely to spice up what has potential to be another dull season. The fact that lap was restarted and held to the finish should mean Carlos and his racing incident should have been given the same treatment.
Agree very harsh indeed. FIA don’t seem to make to many good decisions of late.
Playing devil's advocate, Sainz did hit Alonso and spun him. If the race had continued to the checkered flag or at least past the first sector of the track, Alonso would have finished out of the points and there is plenty of precedent for time penalties being applied for such incidents.
Alonso was...fortunate...that FIA rules call for that in the event of a race ending under a Red Flag prior to the cars completing at least one race sector the field is reset to the starting grid, which restored him to third (and Sainz to fourth at the time).
I'm still not a fan of the penalty because the punt didn't cost Alonso and the incident only happened because Race Control decided to have a one-lap shootout to the finish rather than finish under the Safety Car or do a rolling restart.
Alonso was...fortunate...that FIA rules call for that in the event of a race ending under a Red Flag prior to the cars completing at least one race sector the field is reset to the starting grid, which restored him to third (and Sainz to fourth at the time).
I'm still not a fan of the penalty because the punt didn't cost Alonso and the incident only happened because Race Control decided to have a one-lap shootout to the finish rather than finish under the Safety Car or do a rolling restart.
Very good point indeed! Race Control is trully at the root cause of this, I mean ofcourse it would have been chaose.
Bring back Masi, he ensures the right calls are made...
F1 chief 'more than nervous' as Red Bull suspect as many as 'six teams' over cap
Stefano Domenicali is worried about what will come out in the 2022 budget cap findings as it points to the "credibility" of F1.
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F1 chief 'more than nervous' as Red Bull suspect as many as 'six teams' over cap
Stefano Domenicali is worried about what will come out in the 2022 budget cap findings as it points to the "credibility" of F1.
The precedent was set last year so teams are probably budgeting an extra €6m for the fine and not worrying about the pretty much unregulated reduction in wind tunnel time. It was almost declared a worthy rule break considering how lightly Red Bull were treated.
Lightly treated? Paying 6M for 400K extra spend, and a reduction in aero time. I don't get how in any standard that is lighty treated; monetary wise alone that is 15x the 'crime'. That is huge.
But those are the rules for minor infringements, as all teams agreed to. I know you are a Mercedes/Lewis fan, but come on, let's keep some perspective and a sense of reality.
It's worrying to hear that as many as six teams may have overspent during such an economically challenging time. I thinks It's more than important for the credibility of the sport that the rules are respected, and let’s just hope that the control and certification process will be done earlier than in previous years to ensure that any breaches are dealt with in a timely and credible manner.