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2023 Formula 1 Season thread
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I was nearly right!
Would have been fantastic to see Lando on pole but it had to come back and remind us of the reality of the performance gulf. Great drive by Lando though, he should be proud of that.
Would have been fantastic to see Lando on pole but it had to come back and remind us of the reality of the performance gulf. Great drive by Lando though, he should be proud of that.
Hopefully Max drives it into the pit wall again in the race and Lando gets the win! Great to see McLaren where they should be!
Albon still squeezing everything out of that Williams.
It was McClaren who had the surprises for us!
GO LANDO!
I think Albon deserves a better ride.
3615416Norfolk!
Agreed, I still can't figure out what happened back when he was with RBR...
Too early in his career? Or sometimes your face just doesn’t fit.
RBR heaped loads of added pressure on him and Marko did what he’s doing now with Checo, criticising his performances in interviews with journalists. Although, Marko is blaming Lewis for a couple of incidents recently as I think he’s realised with some proper support, Albon is a very capable driver. I think in the longterm, Alex could be challenging for a title in the right team. He’s certainly putting that Williams further up the grid than many drivers are capable of IMO.
Not sure the sanity of Horner, how he can keep a sea anchor on staff, Perez is just a pot hole you piss money into.. He really is not paying for his seat, how many more failure to deliver can be tolerated? Martin Brundle/Damn Hill were fired for a lot less, this is a business, and if the tool is broken, buy a new tool..
Probably helps that Perez could finish last for the rest of the season and RBR/Max will still win the World Championship’s.
Plus let’s be honest he doesn’t want two drivers battling into the first bend.
Perez is second in the standings with 148 points, Red Bull Racing is first with 377 points. They'll be just fine. There are simply no better alternatives available.
Let me remind you of 2021, Bottas finished 3rd in Bahrain, Spain, Portugal, Max finished 2nd in the same 3 races, had Bottas finished 2nd in the same 3 races, Lewis would have won the championship by 1 point from Max. regardless of the results of Baku, Abu Dhabi, so Perez needs to win points off others, Perez in mid field helps Alonso more than Max.. Perez should be watching F1 from home, and not paid to not do his job as team-mate..
Sure all drivers need to score points, that is their purpose. He is inconsistent this season but still bringing the points. Besides, let’s imagine they would sack the driver who is second in the standings. Who would you suggest takes his seat and will do better?
I feel you've severely underestimated Checo.
Teams with two #1's are pretty rare these days anyway. Checo is pretty a solid #2 for them.
I can never rule out my conspiracy theory that on the BIG TEAMS the #2 driver gets lesser equipment these days.
The only recent proof against that was Nico's title in 2016.
| 1 | 1 | Max Verstappen | RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT | 1:29.428 | 1:27.702 | 1:26.720 | 26 |
| 2 | 4 | Lando Norris | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 1:28.917 | 1:28.042 | 1:26.961 | 26 |
| 3 | 81 | Oscar Piastri | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 1:29.874 | 1:27.845 | 1:27.092 | 26 |
| 4 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | FERRARI | 1:29.143 | 1:28.361 | 1:27.136 | 25 |
| 5 | 55 | Carlos Sainz | FERRARI | 1:29.865 | 1:28.265 | 1:27.148 | 26 |
| 6 | 63 | George Russell | MERCEDES | 1:29.412 | 1:28.782 | 1:27.155 | 24 |
| 7 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | MERCEDES | 1:29.415 | 1:28.545 | 1:27.211 | 25 |
| 8 | 23 | Alexander Albon | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 1:29.466 | 1:28.067 | 1:27.530 | 25 |
| 9 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES | 1:29.949 | 1:28.368 | 1:27.659 | 24 |
| 10 | 10 | Pierre Gasly | ALPINE RENAULT | 1:29.533 | 1:28.751 | 1:27.689 | 24 |
| 11 | 27 | Nico Hulkenberg | HAAS FERRARI | 1:29.603 | 1:28.896 | 17 | |
| 12 | 18 | Lance Stroll | ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES | 1:29.448 | 1:28.935 | 19 | |
| 13 | 31 | Esteban Ocon | ALPINE RENAULT | 1:29.700 | 1:28.956 | 18 | |
| 14 | 2 | Logan Sargeant | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 1:29.873 | 1:29.031 | 19 | |
| NC | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | ALFA ROMEO FERRARI | 1:29.798 | 11 | ||
| 15 | 11 | Sergio Perez | RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT | 1:29.968 | 11 | ||
| 16 | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT | 1:30.025 | 11 | ||
| 17 | 24 | Zhou Guanyu | ALFA ROMEO FERRARI | 1:30.123 | 11 | ||
| 18 | 21 | Nyck De Vries | ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT | 1:30.513 | 11 | ||
| 19 | 20 | Kevin Magnussen | HAAS FERRARI | 1:32.378 | 7 |
Note - Bottas disqualified after his car was unable to provide a 1.0 litre sample of fuel.
The conspiracy theories make no sense to me. The teams want to win the manufacturers championship. Why purposely undermine that?
To me is Checo is number 2, purely because he is number 2. He lacks the consistency and flawlessness to win against someone like Max. That is not Maxs fault, or the team doing that. That is just down to him.
To me is Checo is number 2, purely because he is number 2. He lacks the consistency and flawlessness to win against someone like Max. That is not Maxs fault, or the team doing that. That is just down to him.
The only reason I can come up with is to keep the #1 happy.
Again, I've no real proof. lol.
I just don't trust any team, or sport, to not tamper with results.
We know that is there are only new parts available for the car at an event, the #1 driver gets them, but that is about the only thing that comes to mind about chassis and engine differences between the #1 and #2 drivers. To deliberately hobble the #2 driver strikes me as counter-productive for if the #1 driver suffers an incident or DNFs, the #2 driver is expected to pick up the slack and deliberately hampering them with sub-optimal equipment would only make that harder. You also would not want a situation where the #2 car is not able to reliably score more points than the competition as it makes it harder on the #1 (no wingman to help) and makes winning the CC (which is the goal - the WDC is ancillary) harder.
I think the #1 driver consistently gets better results than the #2 because they are the better driver. Seems obvious, I know, but I think that benefits them in other ways, as well. They might have the best engineers and mechanics working for them and those engineers can better process the driver's feedback into setup changes that those mechanics can better implement into said setup. So they get a car that better suits their driving style and/or track conditions and therefore are better able to perform at their peak.
As an aside, been watching live coverage of the 6 Hours of Monza while I wait for Silverstone to kick off and I have to say I am really liking HyperCar as the top step of the WEC. A lot more action than LMP1's glory days as the cars seem to be much closer overall in performance.
6 Hours of Monza has been outstanding so far. We're half way and there's no obvious winner at the moment.
Another Grid Walk with Martin Bumble watching people hide from him, turn their back to him, and just plain refuse to talk to him.
To all those people, I understand.
To all those people, I understand.
David Coultard and Mark Webber didn’t do a much better job on the other side.
Pep certainly didn’t want to talk to them!