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2023 Formula 1 Season thread

Aggedor said:
I was an absolute diehard F1 fan, and then Sky UK started showing IndyCar. Yes, absolutely inferior in terms of technology, but the cars are all identical (save for tuning and setup - there are two engine manufacturers, which are more or less identical), so it's a level playing field and a showcase for driving ability, not which manufacturer has the most money.

The lower tech and aero also has significant advantages in terms of racing. There are more overtakes in a single IndyCar race than in an entire F1 season, and the wheel-to-wheel action is something F1 can only dream of. As a motorsport fan, I've never been on the edge of my seat like I have been with IndyCar.

The ovals are possibly the most exciting races. For all the jokes about "oh yeah, IndyCars driving around in a circle, wow", they are so hard that rookie drivers are not allowed to race them the first year, and then when they do, they get special training and certification.

F1 is just so incredibly dull in comparison. And I say this as an F1 fan. If you long for on-track action that is actually race action, not a procession with a predictable result, give IndyCar a try.

Edit: With regard to speed, you are correct (although I wouldn't say MUCH slower), except I believe an IndyCar on an oval can exceed the top speed of an F1 car (240mph vs 220mph).
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I’m all for other forms of motorsport. I watched IndyCar many years ago but the commentary does my head in and the fact Sky show it would put me off as I don’t touch anything Sky show unless I watch it on an illegal feed. I don’t even watch F1 on Sky as channel 4 do a much better job.

F1 is certainly more drab than it used to be though and this season has been duller than ditch water. I’ll be glad when it’s over and at least we have hope for 2024.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I’m all for other forms of motorsport. I watched IndyCar many years ago but the commentary does my head in and the fact Sky show it would put me off as I don’t touch anything Sky show unless I watch it on an illegal feed. I don’t even watch F1 on Sky as channel 4 do a much better job.

F1 is certainly more drab than it used to be though and this season has been duller than ditch water. I’ll be glad when it’s over and at least we have hope for 2024.
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Hope but I’m expecting another repeat of this year tbh. Hopefully I’m wrong.
 
headlessmike said:
Indy Cars are the open wheel “formula” cars. Stock Cars of NASCAR fame are the ones that look vaguely like normal road vehicles.
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ah that’s it stock car racing, I forgot what that was called. Indy Cars are the ones that visit the odd track with corners, may give it a watch at some point.

Ah just saw it’s on Sky, I won’t watch it then, took me ages to find another way to watch the F1 live without them and I’ll never go back to Sky. If I lost the live races I’ll just go to Channel 4 like others on here rather then go to Sky.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I remember Montoya hitting a loose drain cover during the 2005 Chinese GP and it pierced the cockpit of the car. He was lucky not to be seriously injured. George Russell also hit one in his Williams a few years ago destroying the back floor of his car. You’d think this would be checked more rigorously than it is considering how common it seems to be.
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The Official Response was that "The concrete surrounding the cover deteriorated allowing the cover and the base it was welded to, to rise up and hit Carlos." (Ground Effect.)


The-Real-Deal82 said:
Superior in regard to excitement? Obviously IndyCar inferior to F1 in terms of technology, aero and mechanical grip, which is why it’s a much slower series. Just interested as it’s not often I hear what you’ve claimed.
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No question F1 is superior in aero, mechanical grip, and their KERS is more advanced than say an IMSA/WEC GTP however that doesn't always create exciting racing does it? ;)

I'll admit I watched a few Indy Road Course Races this year I don't watch any race on an oval. I actually found Road America, Laguna Seca, and the Detroit GP to be quite exciting. While obviously slower and lower tech it was extremely racy, and aggressive. Yes, I know they create their own lanes most of the time without Track Limits Penalties. Seems ok to me though.

Same with IMSA. Every Class was racy this year and the fight for the GTP Championship literally came down to the last few laps. I'm really liking LMP3 this year, and GTP has allot of technology currently. Having different classes on the track at once I find exciting, not dangerous. The drivers are more accountable for their actions. Especially when you're racing for 6hrs, 12hrs, 24hrs, and at night with Headlights.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I remember Montoya hitting a loose drain cover during the 2005 Chinese GP and it pierced the cockpit of the car. He was lucky not to be seriously injured. George Russell also hit one in his Williams a few years ago destroying the back floor of his car. You’d think this would be checked more rigorously than it is considering how common it seems to be.
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I remember Montoya hitting one of those jet dryers they use in NASCAR lol. They were clearing off some debris and he hit it going almost full tilt!
 
Just watching the opening show now for a laugh. First of all why an opening show? The. I’m like who are these people?

LOL Not even Siri knows it 🤣🤣 Even Kylie was rubbish with some slaphouse.

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Yes Toto is full on towing the F1 line. During the team principles press conference, he was doing the same, but Fred did not want to play that game. He was annoyed, very, very annoyed. And in my opinion rightfully so.

Let's not forget, Toto is a good manipulator, and they are chasing Checo, but also can take a place from Charles. It isn't over yet for them.
 
Pezimak said:
ah that’s it stock car racing, I forgot what that was called. Indy Cars are the ones that visit the odd track with corners, may give it a watch at some point.

Ah just saw it’s on Sky, I won’t watch it then, took me ages to find another way to watch the F1 live without them and I’ll never go back to Sky. If I lost the live races I’ll just go to Channel 4 like others on here rather then go to Sky.
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Check out Indycars’ YouTube channel. They post 5 minute and 30 minute recaps shortly after the race. It’s not live but will give you a taste of it, and it’s free.
 
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Ferrari looked strong in qualifying. They clearly are able to switch their tyres on quicker than others.
Shame the 1-2 will be a 1-12 because of the manhole cover.
Williams had an amazing session with two drivers in Q3.
Not sure it will be a good race though. All the passing will be done in the DRS zones halfway down the straights.
Still expecting a Max win sadly

At least this season is nearly done!
 
I'm so glad to see that giant sphere fully on during qualy showing adverts. Drivers must have greatly appreciated it. Even the drones were doing advertising during the 'opening ceremony' I noted.

Meh maybe they couldn't see it? I just cannot get that image of an upside down pig out of my head looking at the track map on the screen...... 🤣😂
 
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Fans are apparently telling Lewis to retire now, according to the media. Although a dreadful qualifying for him I'm sure he'll finish near the top tomorrow, or tonight or whenever the race is??

Apparently the big sphere can't show blue yellow and red as it may distract the drivers? Russell said he thinks they can tell the difference between a giant ball screen and a panel screen, not sure what his point was mind.
 
I gotta say, what world is the FIA living in to penalise Carlos because the crappy track (manhole cover) wrecked his car? It's ridiculous. It is THEIR fault NOT Carlos's.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Not sure it will be a good race though. All the passing will be done in the DRS zones halfway down the straights. Still expecting a Max win sadly.
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If Sainz had been able to stay second, I think he or LeClerc had an excellent chance to win. Max still looks vulnerable overall, however, so I think LeClerc still has a chance to pull it off. And with a fresh engine and such, I hope Sainz is able to just go 100% the entire race and get to the podium.

Pezimak said:
Apparently the big sphere can't show blue yellow and red as it may distract the drivers? Russell said he thinks they can tell the difference between a giant ball screen and a panel screen, not sure what his point was mind.
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As I understand it, it cannot show a flashing Red, Blue or Yellow light as the reflections could confuse the drivers with track lighting (which also flashes in those colors). Solid colors appear to be okay. Most drivers have mentioned they don't really notice it because their focus is on the track.

Pezimak said:
I gotta say, what world is the FIA living in to penalise Carlos because the crappy track (manhole cover) wrecked his car? It's ridiculous. It is THEIR fault NOT Carlos's.
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Alas, rules are rules. That being said, Ferrari should send the bill for the parts they had to replace to the FIA and the FIA should pay the invoice.
 
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Media also reporting that the crowds that turned up to see the practice sessions paid 200 dollars per ticket, they saw 8 minutes of practice and that was it due to the man hole cover, they then forced the crowds out! Refused to apologise and have them some vouchers for the F1 store rather then refunds.

If they are trying to promote F1 more to the American market, they are doing a stellar job so far, not.
 
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