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2024 Formula 1 Season thread
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Nope.
Nor the Andrettis...
Or Toyota...?
Toyota return to F1 in technical partnership with Haas
Toyota are returning to Formula 1 for the first time since 2009 after signing a technical partnership with the Haas F1 Team that begins immediately.
What’s behind Toyota’s return to F1 with Haas?
Haas have struck a deal that brings Toyota back into Formula 1 after a 15-year hiatus. F1 Correspondent Lawrence Barretto explains how and why the American squad have done it – and what’s in it for the returning Japanese manufacturer…
JK we need PU suppliers...
This was also on the OS:
It would be nice to have someone replace Alpine on the grid. I'm not certain GM has the ability get there.
Ya know I belive they do... do they have the patience to stick it out... taht is my question. They can get there, but will they see it through?
Any new factory team is a positive for F1, IMO.
They seem to be determined to make it happen based on their actions and words.
If anything it's all about brand exposure. F1 can be extremely profitable for teams. The question regarding Red Bull though is, when you have won everything multiple times how long do you keep on going to win the same thing over and over again? Reb Bull already have 7 drivers championships and 6 constructors championships. How many more do they want? Do they need to keep on winning for them to want to stay in the sport? If they no longer win, are they happy to trundle along like all the other teams that do not win anything?
I don’t think the ownership will be satisfied to trundle along. IMO, Red Bulls owners are more revenue driven than say, Ferrari. I’m not saying revenue is unimportant.
If the Ford partnership implodes, and Max leaves after 2025 I could see them leaving.
For all intensive purposes their driver pool looks like it could take years to rebuild. The process that allowed it to get this way at least to me demonstrates a lack of motivation.
I’m still of the opinion Max is at AMR in 2026.
Adrian Newey's presence at Red Bull has been instrumental in them winning all that they have. Now that he has gone, do you think Red Bull will struggle to be competitive? and if so decide to leave F1 because they do not want to be seen as winners who struggle to win again.
I can see them leaving F1 if they fail to be winners.
I can see them leaving F1 if they fail to be winners.
Teams come and go, either they just close down or they sell, most notably, Tyrell, Brawn, Lotus, Brabham and Benetton (all winners of driver and/or constructors championship). If Red Bull struggle to win now Adrian Newey has left, I can see them doing the same, selling up. I do believe they would still be in F1, just as a minor sponsor though rather than being a team owner.
There is a reason Haas has remained in Banbury and not gone ahead with the planned relocation to the US. The area is rich with resources for feeding the motorsport industry and this is largely hidden from a fan level or those across the World. There was a time when all the tubs for the entire Indy Car grid were manufactured at Reynard in Brackley, now part of Mercedes AMG. I had a tour with my school there back in 1996 and was amazed a little facility supported a sport thousands of miles away. There is just so much British engineering in F1’s DNA too and all these teams come and go with different owners and sponsors, but remain the same underneath.
I can’t see F1 ever pulling away from Europe for its engineering or racing, despite desert or casino car part circuits popping up for stints holding GP’s. It’s all just part of the circus we’ve had since the sport began.
I need to see the performance at COTA. I think the RB20 has little room for further development. I believe this is why we see all the imbalances. Could Newey counter this if he was there? Maybe. My thoughts are the upgrade at Imola was the beginning of the current situation. That was a Newey upgrade. If the COTA upgrades bring performance closer to McLaren then they will be ok. Max is more than enough to fill the gaps.
I’m of the opinion Yoovidhya will be far less willing to be involved in a mid pack team than Mateschitz. We will have a better idea this time next year.
Teams come to play, if they don't like it, or are simply not up to standard, or they run out of money, they leave/get sold.. There should be no cost caps, there should be very few rules, it should be 99% the PHD's back in the computer lab, and 1% the meat in the seat..
Maybe limit the number of muppets that you haul to each race, or maybe each one is only allowed a fixed number of races per year, we have 24, so 8 per team member.. If a car is damaged to the point, 8 crew and 4 on the wall, total of 12 per event, cannot fix, then the car/driver is withdrawn from the event..
Maybe we go back to T-3rd car spec, have a 3rd car ready on stand by for maybe the next event after a crash, you pay 5 point deduction for the use of that car.. In the case of fly away back to back to back triples..
What we as viewers from afar have no idea, is just how creative are the geeks in the accounting office? How have they managed to shave off $60m off the budget and come in clean? How creative are the bean counters?
Maybe we should have an extra point for bean counter creative at the end of the year.. The driver of 2024 is not known until the Thursday Champions Dinner at race 1 of 2025.. When the extra point for Bean Counter of the Year is announced.. That would solve issues like 2021..
Maybe limit the number of muppets that you haul to each race, or maybe each one is only allowed a fixed number of races per year, we have 24, so 8 per team member.. If a car is damaged to the point, 8 crew and 4 on the wall, total of 12 per event, cannot fix, then the car/driver is withdrawn from the event..
Maybe we go back to T-3rd car spec, have a 3rd car ready on stand by for maybe the next event after a crash, you pay 5 point deduction for the use of that car.. In the case of fly away back to back to back triples..
What we as viewers from afar have no idea, is just how creative are the geeks in the accounting office? How have they managed to shave off $60m off the budget and come in clean? How creative are the bean counters?
Maybe we should have an extra point for bean counter creative at the end of the year.. The driver of 2024 is not known until the Thursday Champions Dinner at race 1 of 2025.. When the extra point for Bean Counter of the Year is announced.. That would solve issues like 2021..
Never say never, but a team that has had such success, has invested significantly in its own engine program, and partnered with Ford for "at least" four years (in the latter's own words), isn't likely to vanish overnight.
Even if RB's new power structure isn't as big of a fan of F1 as the previous regime, it's not going to completely throw away that kind of exposure, or brand equity and withdraw completely. RB's sponsorship of paper airplane competitions (yes, look it up), isn't suddenly going to get ramped up with all the money they could redirect from F1.
If a sad sack outfit like Alpine can attract investment that placed a value on the team at $1 billion, what would RBR be worth? Andretti should know, because while his mouth didn't win any friends, what he was saying was the truth, it's a greedy, exclusive club, and all about the money.
I'd put better odds on Audi getting cold feet than RBR going away. Despite Binotto's hiring, the fact that they've openly acknowledged that Mick is a candidate for their second seat indicates that they're still in some sort of operational fog. Such a pity that Audi has destroyed all they've built up in their sports car programs at the cost of pursuing F1, and doing it poorly.
Even if RB's new power structure isn't as big of a fan of F1 as the previous regime, it's not going to completely throw away that kind of exposure, or brand equity and withdraw completely. RB's sponsorship of paper airplane competitions (yes, look it up), isn't suddenly going to get ramped up with all the money they could redirect from F1.
If a sad sack outfit like Alpine can attract investment that placed a value on the team at $1 billion, what would RBR be worth? Andretti should know, because while his mouth didn't win any friends, what he was saying was the truth, it's a greedy, exclusive club, and all about the money.
I'd put better odds on Audi getting cold feet than RBR going away. Despite Binotto's hiring, the fact that they've openly acknowledged that Mick is a candidate for their second seat indicates that they're still in some sort of operational fog. Such a pity that Audi has destroyed all they've built up in their sports car programs at the cost of pursuing F1, and doing it poorly.
Funny thing is I’ve been watching F1 longer than RBR has been in it (a lot longer). But I’ve never even tasted Red Bull let alone bought one.
Back in the 80’s I smoked but never bought Marlboro or JPS cigarettes.
I never understood what sponsors get from F1.
Slightly different for car manufacturers. But even when Mercedes won all those titles I never bought one. I bought a Golf instead.
Back in the 80’s I smoked but never bought Marlboro or JPS cigarettes.
I never understood what sponsors get from F1.
Slightly different for car manufacturers. But even when Mercedes won all those titles I never bought one. I bought a Golf instead.
Let me remind you, F1 has nothing to do with cars, drivers or teams, that is a byproduct of the function of F1.. F1 is about brands, the brands want to be seen, do you think for 1 second Liberty cares who wins, or what teams are owned by who? They have zero interest in the result, none, F1 is a vehicle to promote brands, it is about as real as a WWE championship or the World Series in Baseball..
Drivers/teams, are mere pawns in the process, they are about as useful as limp spaghetti.. They are there to do the biding of Liberty, but they are not the reason the sport exists, it is not a sport, but pure entertainment.. The cars are mere mobile billboards, no different to the trailers being towed by a Ford F250 adversting the local fish market or car boot... That driver is just doing a job, in for the money, he has no say on what he tows.. Like Lewis/Max have no say on the rules of F1..
F1 is about selling ad space, generating ad revenue, much like the superbowl is not about the football, it is there to get you to watch the adverts.. and the branding on LED billboards and during breaks.. I doubt Liberty will know or care who stays, who goes, who does what.. If Liberty was clever, they would reward Max for every swear word, as well scandal pays well.. The bigger the scandal, the more media, and the more the brands get attention.. Mr Whathisname, Mr what what, the CEO bloke, maybe not the right guy.. Put him in charge of catering or the champers..
Drivers/teams, are mere pawns in the process, they are about as useful as limp spaghetti.. They are there to do the biding of Liberty, but they are not the reason the sport exists, it is not a sport, but pure entertainment.. The cars are mere mobile billboards, no different to the trailers being towed by a Ford F250 adversting the local fish market or car boot... That driver is just doing a job, in for the money, he has no say on what he tows.. Like Lewis/Max have no say on the rules of F1..
F1 is about selling ad space, generating ad revenue, much like the superbowl is not about the football, it is there to get you to watch the adverts.. and the branding on LED billboards and during breaks.. I doubt Liberty will know or care who stays, who goes, who does what.. If Liberty was clever, they would reward Max for every swear word, as well scandal pays well.. The bigger the scandal, the more media, and the more the brands get attention.. Mr Whathisname, Mr what what, the CEO bloke, maybe not the right guy.. Put him in charge of catering or the champers..
I tried Red Bull in University 20 odd years ago as vodka Red Bull's were the in drink back then. They used to use attractive girls in hot pants to drive round in a Red Bull liveried Mini Cooper with a giant can on the roof. They'd come to the students union and give out cans of it too. Camel used to do similar with cigarettes and also Durex did, with the latter being more useful than the rest lol. Like you though, I don't think I have bought something because I have seen it advertised in F1, apart from a model of Senna's MP4/4 when I was six years old lol (still got that).
Same. I bought a redbull way back before they were in F1 and it was horrible. Cough syrup... ugh.
Now... When I go out drinking with my work friends one of them inevitably buys us a round of "Vegas Car Bombs" and around here that includes RedBull. I shudder when she does that... lol.
As far as energy drinks go, it is my favourite. Like it when I go out to hardstyle festivals, I just drink water and the occasional Red Bull to keep my sugar levels up.