2024 Formula 1 Season thread

[Zest28]

Max the dirtiest? Oh...Let's discuss Micheal Schumacher

With Senna, Prost was their “blessed” driver (both Prost and the FIA president were French). The year before ,Prost crashed into Senna, which is how Senna lost the WDC in 1988. And the next year, at the race where the WDC would be decided, the FIA decided to change Senna his pole position to the dirty side of the track (on the dirty side of the track, you have less grip so your start is worse). And Senna warned everybody, if Prost gets ahead in the first corner due to the FIA helping Prost, he will crash him out. And that is what he did.

That was actually justified due to the biased FIA helping Prost.

Schumacher crashed Hill out of the race in 1994 and when he tried to do same in 1997, he got disqualified and thrown out of the championship.

Now let’s talk about Max. This idiot has been trying to crash out Lewis and other drivers more than any other driver in history. And the FIA never punished him for that (even Schumacher got thrown out of the championship at only his 2nd attempt)

Did you forgot that race where Max slammed the brakes on the main straight so that Lewis crashed into the back of his car. This has never been seen before in F1, and this should have been a 100% revoke of his racing license.

Senna and Schumacher were nice guys in comparison to Max. They would have been banned for life if they drove like Max (Schumacher got thrown out of the championship at only his 2nd attempt trying to crash out his rival).

Like really, we have never seen a driver as dirty as Max who constantly tries to crash out his rivals.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Exactly, F1 needs a great villain, without it, it is just a boring soap opera.. We all love to hate a great villain.. Joker to batman, Max is playing his role in a great way.. Love him, he makes it "fun"!!

And who can forget Nikki and James 🤷‍♂️👍

 

[Zest28]

Exactly, F1 needs a great villain, without it, it is just a boring soap opera.. We all love to hate a great villain.. Joker to batman, Max is playing his role in a great way.. Love him, he makes it "fun"!!

No they don’t. Mika vs Schumacher was an amazing era and both drivers drove clean against each other. We were watching the best of racing with these two drivers.

Some of the best overtakes ever seen in F1 come from the Mika vs Schumacher era.

If Max was racing Mika, Max would be trying to crash into Mika every corner like it is an online F1 game on the PlayStation.

 

[headlessmike]

It's like Carlos has been set free to race for himself.
Of course it ironically benefits Ferrari in their quest for the constructor's championship. by not resigning him and lighting a fire under him. Ferrari is going to regret letting him go and tossing half a billion at Hamilton.

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Carlos and Charles complement each other quite well, when Charles has an off day then more often than not Carlos is there to make the most of it. Charles is more consistent in terms of pace but Carlos is not far behind and takes the chances that come his way. He also seems to have no real enemies amongst the other drivers.

 

[JustinePaula]

No they don’t. Mika vs Schumacher was an amazing era and both drivers drove clean against each other. We were watching the best of racing with these two drivers.

Some of the best overtakes ever seen in F1 come from the Mika vs Schumacher era.

If Max was racing Mika, Max would be trying to crash into Mika every corner like it is an online F1 game on the PlayStation.

Drove clean? Micheal never drove a mile clean in his whole career, he didn't care about who or what, he only cared for #1, himself, and somehow the rules often worked in his favour, even when he was tossed out of the championship, he kept his wins..

F1 needs "dirty" to entertain, look 99% of viewers could care less about clean v dirty, they want so n so to win, and yeah it makes for great Monday Morning water cooler post mortem discussions..

F1 is 99,99% more like WWE and .01% based on a true story.. It is about as real as a unicorn fart.. People put way too much into what is fantasy at the end of the day..

 

[Zest28]

Drove clean? Micheal never drove a mile clean in his whole career, he didn't care about who or what, he only cared for #1, himself, and somehow the rules often worked in his favour, even when he was tossed out of the championship, he kept his wins..

F1 needs "dirty" to entertain, look 99% of viewers could care less about clean v dirty, they want so n so to win, and yeah it makes for great Monday Morning water cooler post mortem discussions..

F1 is 99,99% more like WWE and .01% based on a true story.. It is about as real as a unicorn fart.. People put way too much into what is fantasy at the end of the day..

Schumacher was dirty, but nowhere on the same level as Max is. Schuchacher wasn't trying to crash out his rivals at every corner like Max is doing. And some of the best wheel to wheel racing in F1 actually was from Mika vs Schumacher era.

And F1 doesn't need dirty. Mika vs Schumacher was F1 at it's peak. The sport was at it's all time high with huge F1 budgets. There was so much money in F1 back then, the tyres, engines and cars were redeveloped every race.

 

[laptech]

I wonder how much pressure RBR will be putting on their drivers so the team can try and finish 2nd in the constructors championship because there is no way they are going to catch McLaren. This would put Max in a difficult position because he knows all he has to do is take it easy in the next race, finish 5 or 6th and the drivers championship is in the bag but if he is told to push to get 1st or 2nd so the team can capitalize on the constructors points, is he likely to cause a mistake which could cause him to DNF. does he take the risk of getting constructors points or take it easy and get the drivers championship?

 

[headlessmike]

Schumacher was dirty, but nowhere on the same level as Max is. Schuchacher wasn't trying to crash out his rivals at every corner like Max is doing. And some of the best wheel to wheel racing in F1 actually was from Mika vs Schumacher.

Max is dirty when put under pressure, but let's not forget Schumacher crashing into Hill and Villeneuve.

 

[JustinePaula]

It is interesting, how you view the racing of Micheal, and that of Max, here we cannot ever find a metric that accurately quantifies who is the "bigger" villain in the history of F1.. At the end of the day, scandal sells better than a season of well behaved choir boys all singing in perfect harmony.. F1 is about scandal, it is about drama...

No one hypes it up just as much as Sky, not quite sure why Sky is not broadcasting F1 on SkyCinema.. But I love the drama, the fight and the whine, it actually makes for great tv.. F1 has always had drama, this or that.. Teams refusing to drive cause of conditions, this or that dirty driver, the sport needs them, it is so much a part of the sport as tyres and flameproof underpants.. You cannot hope to have a season of choir boys all perfect and sin free.. At least one of them will be toasty on the church's wine...

 

[laptech]

Drove clean? Micheal never drove a mile clean in his whole career, he didn't care about who or what, he only cared for #1, himself, and somehow the rules often worked in his favour, even when he was tossed out of the championship, he kept his wins..

F1 needs "dirty" to entertain, look 99% of viewers could care less about clean v dirty, they want so n so to win, and yeah it makes for great Monday Morning water cooler post mortem discussions..

F1 is 99,99% more like WWE and .01% based on a true story.. It is about as real as a unicorn fart.. People put way too much into what is fantasy at the end of the day..

@JustinePaula is right, F1 always needs a villain because if they do not the sport becomes boring. I have seen it time and time again in races over the years where a driver is on pole and they hold 1st position for the whole of the race ending it with a win and then comes the social media posts of 'the race was boring, it needed more action'.

I've watched the sport for over 30 years now and the races that get talked about are the ones where there is a 'villain'. F1 fans do not want boring races where the cars just go round and round and round. They want to see action and the 'dirty' drivers give that action. Without them the sport becomes boring and you know it.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I wonder how much pressure RBR will be putting on their drivers so the team can try and finish 2nd in the constructors championship because there is no way they are going to catch McLaren. This would put Max in a difficult position because he knows all he has to do is take it easy in the next race, finish 5 or 6th and the drivers championship is in the bag but if he is told to push to get 1st or 2nd so the team can capitalize on the constructors points, is he likely to cause a mistake which could cause him to DNF. does he take the risk of getting constructors points or take it easy and get the drivers championship?

I do t think take it easy is in Max’s dna. He will always go for the win. Perez has cost them first place. He should feel the pressure.

 

[Zest28]

Max is dirty when put under pressure, but let's not forget Schumacher crashing into Hill and Villeneuve.

Yes, Schumacher has done this two times. And it was only at the final race of the season where the WDC was decided. I'm not pretending Schumacher was clean himself, he was a dirty driver too.

But Max, he will do it every race when he is being challenged by a main rival. Max is way more dirty as a driver than Schumacher ever was. And Schumacher also didn't slammed his brake on the main straight so that his main rival crashes into the back of his car.

 

[JustinePaula]

I do t think take it easy is in Max’s dna. He will always go for the win. Perez has cost them first place. He should feel the pressure.

I don't think the bloke that runs the Red Bull team is all that great, he is in fact an extremely weak team manager, he has no courage to do what is right, to fire Perez, Martin Brundle always brings it up, how he was fired, and it should happen, look at Max, he was driving for the 2nd team, some bloke in the main team was fired, max was promoted...

Teams I don't think fire drivers often enough.. a couple of races and you are relegated to driving the catering team bus.. There are over 30 drivers under 23 all as good if not better getting stiff and old waiting in the F2/F3 series.. The Sprints should be about the teams looking at F2/F3 drivers for maybe upgrading... Keeping tired old/useless drivers for way too long, took 3 seasons too long to fire that bloke from Australia.. really he wasted too much time being a all weather road hazard.. Nice guy I am sure, but no place in the fire of F1..

 

[pachyderm]

Schumacher was dirty, but nowhere on the same level as Max is. Schuchacher wasn't trying to crash out his rivals at every corner like Max is doing. And some of the best wheel to wheel racing in F1 actually was from Mika vs Schumacher era.

And F1 doesn't need dirty. Mika vs Schumacher was F1 at it's peak. The sport was at it's all time high with huge F1 budgets. There was so much money in F1 back then, the tyres, engines and cars were redeveloped every race.

Hello, '94 and '97 would like to speak to you... lol

 

[laptech]

When 'dirty' or 'villain' is mentioned in connection with Schumacher it is always two years that are mentioned. How many years has Max been seen to try and knock people off the track? 4-5 years now? Surely this is a sign that Max is a more 'dirty' driver than Schumacher was, yes?

 

[Glideslope]

@JustinePaula is right, F1 always needs a villain because if they do not the sport becomes boring. I have seen it time and time again in races over the years where a driver is on pole and they hold 1st position for the whole of the race ending it with a win and then comes the social media posts of 'the race was boring, it needed more action'.

I've watched the sport for over 30 years now and the races that get talked about are the ones where there is a 'villain'. F1 fans do not want boring races where the cars just go round and round and round. They want to see action and the 'dirty' drivers give that action. Without them the sport becomes boring and you know it.

Then you have Charles in the post race saying "I hope they keep racing like this. It makes it easier for me in the WDC."

They all play the game.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I find it hilarious how some are so focussed on calling someone a dirty driver, or especially a lot of online British, refer to unsportsmanlike. All I see is someone going for the win. The rules and stewards are there to maintain a level of control.

LOL George Russel caused Sainz to have a DNF at COTA last year, only got 5s penalty and non of this dive-bombing, dirty driver positioning repeated over and over and over again.

The British press has groomed supporters in many sport for many years. Always two measuring sticks, have experienced it personally as well working there. A real mentality of when you can't beat them, you destroy them off track.

 

[laptech]

A number of us have watched enough F1 over the years to know when a driver is playing 'dirty' or when they are just 'pushing the limits'. diving for the driving line when there clearly is no driving line, diving for the space when there clearly is no space, forced braking to force the car behind to dramatically slow down to prevent a coming together of cars, cars driving side by side with one trying to push the other off the track. We've seen it all, some are very noticeable, others not so noticeable.

ALL drivers do it, no one is immune.

There is a very very fine line between being an 'aggressive' driver and a 'dirty' driver. Many of us are fortunate enough to have seen many great races between 'aggressive' drivers, aggressively defending their position or pushing the limits to regain their position.

Also, a 'dirty' driver is very subjective because what might be 'aggressive' driving to one might be 'dirty' driving to another.

 

[JustinePaula]

When 'dirty' or 'villain' is mentioned in connection with Schumacher it is always two years that are mentioned. How many years has Max been seen to try and knock people off the track? 4-5 years now? Surely this is a sign that Max is a more 'dirty' driver than Schumacher was, yes?

Micheal never had a clean season, almost every race there was a "stink" about something he did, He was always trying, and yeah it was bad, some years, and the FIA had to change rules as he was a driver that won every race, and this was boring, so changed rules, like what they did with Lewis, as soon as the rules changed, Lewis was no longer winning, Max will win 2024, 2025 maybe, new regs, and Max will be about as useful a driver as Taki Anoui.. Max will wonder if he has two left feet and 2 right boots.. F1 is that predictable..

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Also, a 'dirty' driver is very subjective because what might be 'aggressive' driving to one might be 'dirty' driving to another.

It is super subjective. And not even just with gradations between aggressive and dirty. For some, it is just a way to describe someone following the rules but getting one over on 'their driver'. It is all subjective and highly emotive language that is unnecessary and actually quite meaningless.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Schumacher was dirty, but nowhere on the same level as Max is. Schuchacher wasn't trying to crash out his rivals at every corner like Max is doing. And some of the best wheel to wheel racing in F1 actually was from Mika vs Schumacher era.

And F1 doesn't need dirty. Mika vs Schumacher was F1 at it's peak. The sport was at it's all time high with huge F1 budgets. There was so much money in F1 back then, the tyres, engines and cars were redeveloped every race.

It wasn’t as regular with Schumacher, he would occasionally run someone close to the wall or off the circuit, like Frentzen in Canada 1997 or Barichello in Hungary 2010, but you could race him most of the time without it happening. Same with Senna, they made it hard but they often put you in a position where you had time to back out.

Max seems to just drive off the circuit with drivers alongside him and he did it 6 times to Lewis in 2021 and is now doing it again he is in a title fight. We thought this behaviour had gone away, but in reality Max has not needed to do it for the previous 2 seasons as he’s been in comfortably the best car. The pressure wasn’t there and now it is again and it’s just his style in these sorts of situations. Drivers start to work it out though and the sooner Max realises others aren’t going to yield, the sooner he’ll be forced to race fairly. I liked Lewis’ reaction after Hungary where he just rolled his eyes like he wasn’t at all surprised after Max took off over his wheel at turn 1 lol.

 

[Zest28]

Hello, '94 and '97 would like to speak to you... lol

Schumacher didn't do it every race when he is challenged by one of his main rivals like Max does.

 

[Zest28]

It wasn’t as regular with Schumacher, he would occasionally run someone close to the wall or off the circuit, like Frentzen in Canada 1997 or Barichello in Hungary 2010, but you could race him most of the time without it happening. Same with Senna, they made it hard but they often put you in a position where you had time to back out.

Max seems to just drive off the circuit with drivers alongside him and he did it 6 times to Lewis in 2021 and is now doing it again he is in a title fight. We thought this behaviour had gone away, but in reality Max has not needed to do it for the previous 2 seasons as he’s been in comfortably the best car. The pressure wasn’t there and now it is again and it’s just his style in these sorts of situations. Drivers start to work it out though and the sooner Max realises others aren’t going to yield, the sooner he’ll be forced to race fairly. I liked Lewis’ reaction after Hungary where he just rolled his eyes like he wasn’t at all surprised after Max took off over his wheel at turn 1 lol.

Yes, I'm not saying Schumacher wasn't dirty, he was dirty too. But what Max is doing is something we have never seen before. He does this every single time when one of his main rivals challenges him.

The reason why it looked like this behavior went away, was because he had a rocketship all these year so he had no main rival to challenge him. But as soon Lando got a car fast enough to challenge Max, .....

I am grabbing some popcorn for next year if Ferrari remains to be good. We are going to see Max trying to crash out both Lewis and Lando at the same time.

 

[Zest28]

A number of us have watched enough F1 over the years to know when a driver is playing 'dirty' or when they are just 'pushing the limits'. diving for the driving line when there clearly is no driving line, diving for the space when there clearly is no space, forced braking to force the car behind to dramatically slow down to prevent a coming together of cars, cars driving side by side with one trying to push the other off the track. We've seen it all, some are very noticeable, others not so noticeable.

ALL drivers do it, no one is immune.

There is a very very fine line between being an 'aggressive' driver and a 'dirty' driver. Many of us are fortunate enough to have seen many great races between 'aggressive' drivers, aggressively defending their position or pushing the limits to regain their position.

Also, a 'dirty' driver is very subjective because what might be 'aggressive' driving to one might be 'dirty' driving to another.

The thing, it is fine if a driver makes a mistake and puts his car where there is no space by accident. **** happens. But what Max is doing is not a mistake, he is doing this on purpose. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Crashing into your opponents is not racing. Even in WEC / LeMans they don't try to crash eachother of the road constantly like what Max is doing.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

The thing, it is fine if a driver makes a mistake and puts his car where there is no space by accident. **** happens. But what Max is doing is not a mistake, he is doing this on purpose. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Crashing into your opponents is not racing. Even in WEC / LeMans they don't try to crash eachother of the road constantly like what Max is doing.

He didn’t crash into anyone. Didn’t cause a DNF for anyone. Nobody got hurt. Yes he contravened the rules in this race but let’s keep a little perspective with a bit less drama.