Max and Red Bull dominant, yup wholeheartedly agree. But boring? Nope, and that is highly subjective anyway.
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| 1 | 1 | Max Verstappen | RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT | 50 | 1:20:43.273 | 25 |
| 2 | 11 | Sergio Perez | RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT | 50 | +13.643s | 18 |
| 3 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | FERRARI | 50 | +18.639s | 16 |
| 4 | 81 | Oscar Piastri | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 50 | +32.007s | 12 |
| 5 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES | 50 | +35.759s | 10 |
| 6 | 63 | George Russell | MERCEDES | 50 | +39.936s | 8 |
| 7 | 38 | Oliver Bearman | FERRARI | 50 | +42.679s | 6 |
| 8 | 4 | Lando Norris | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 50 | +45.708s | 4 |
| 9 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | MERCEDES | 50 | +47.391s | 2 |
| 10 | 27 | Nico Hulkenberg | HAAS FERRARI | 50 | +76.996s | 1 |
| 11 | 23 | Alexander Albon | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 50 | +88.354s | 0 |
| 12 | 20 | Kevin Magnussen | HAAS FERRARI | 50 | +105.737s | 0 |
| 13 | 31 | Esteban Ocon | ALPINE RENAULT | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| 14 | 2 | Logan Sargeant | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| 15 | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | RB HONDA RBPT | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| 16 | 3 | Daniel Ricciardo | RB HONDA RBPT | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| 17 | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | KICK SAUBER FERRARI | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| 18 | 24 | Zhou Guanyu | KICK SAUBER FERRARI | 49 | +1 lap | 0 |
| NC | 18 | Lance Stroll | ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES | 5 | DNF | 0 |
| NC | 10 | Pierre Gasly | ALPINE RENAULT | 1 | DNF | 0 |
I don't find it boring at all. Neither does anyone in the pub I was watching, nor my wife and daughters. So yes opinions vary, hence it is subjective.
You know I was kidding, right?
And seriously I'd lay odds that the general consensus would be "boring".
Of course it's never boring when your driver is winning, is it?
Actually I’d disagree. Even if it’s your favourite driver you want to see them race. Not just pull off at the start and have a 2 second lead before DRS kicks in. Nobody wants that do they?
Yep, I was quite vocal here during the times Lewis was in dead air once his teammate had dropped off. It was nothing like the gap to the front we are seeing now though. That Red Bull is far ahead and Max is in tune with it right now. Dull to watch unless you like easy wins of course.
I stopped watching when Schumacher did it, didn’t watch some of Lewis when he did it, if Max carries on even though I support RB I’ll eventually stop watching it. It IS boring, we want to them race and fight for the points, not literally walk all over everyone.
I don't watch F1 to see who is going to be challenging for 3rd or 4th, I watch it to see who is going to challenging for 1st but that is not happening, it didn't happen last season and it's not happening at the start of the new season either. This makes it extremely boring for me.
yup
In my time watching F1 I've seen a few close seasons , '94, '96, '97, '98, '99 come to mind as ones that I really enjoyed.
Of course there are a few more since then.
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Me too. The 2001-2004 era coincided with me going to University so I had a few years only catching the odd race here and there, a bit like now lol. Never liked Schumacher the racer (great bloke out of the car), so it was easy to miss and focus on girls and alcohol, I mean my studies.
'94 still SMH... They couldn't disqualify "spoonface" back then?
It would seem Felipe Massa is going ahead with his threats to sue F1 because of him not winning the 2008 F1.
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and F1 can thank Bernie Ecclestone for that because he gave an interview in March 2023 where he let it slip that both he and Max Mosely knew of 'Crashgate' (Piquet Jr deliberately crashing to bring out the safety car because it would help Alonso win the race, Massa pitted but Ferrari screwed up leaving Massa way down in the race eventually losing out on winning the championship to Hamilton by 1 point) but they did nothing about it because they wanted to avoid a scandal. Massa said F1 should have investigated 'Crashgate' more seriously because if they had the race would have been voided meaning Massa would have won the championship.
Felipe Massa sues F1 and Bernie Ecclestone over £62m in damages after Lewis Hamilton’s 2008 title win
Lawyers on behalf of the former Ferrari driver have filed suit in London’s High Court on Monday
and F1 can thank Bernie Ecclestone for that because he gave an interview in March 2023 where he let it slip that both he and Max Mosely knew of 'Crashgate' (Piquet Jr deliberately crashing to bring out the safety car because it would help Alonso win the race, Massa pitted but Ferrari screwed up leaving Massa way down in the race eventually losing out on winning the championship to Hamilton by 1 point) but they did nothing about it because they wanted to avoid a scandal. Massa said F1 should have investigated 'Crashgate' more seriously because if they had the race would have been voided meaning Massa would have won the championship.
It would seem Felipe Massa is going ahead with his threats to sue F1 because of him not winning the 2008 F1.
Felipe Massa sues F1 and Bernie Ecclestone over £62m in damages after Lewis Hamilton’s 2008 title win
Lawyers on behalf of the former Ferrari driver have filed suit in London’s High Court on Monday
and F1 can thank Bernie Ecclestone for that because he gave an interview in March 2023 where he let it slip that both he and Max Mosely knew of 'Crashgate' (Piquet Jr deliberately crashing to bring out the safety car because it would help Alonso win the race, Massa pitted but Ferrari screwed up leaving Massa way down in the race eventually losing out on winning the championship to Hamilton by 1 point) but they did nothing about it because they wanted to avoid a scandal. Massa said F1 should have investigated 'Crashgate' more seriously because if they had the race would have been voided meaning Massa would have won the championship.
It’s really sad to see. Felipe had so much respect for his magnanimous reaction to losing that title. He stood on that podium in tears at Interlagos and put on the display of a tough competitor that had fought hard. Fast forward 16 years and he’s suing the sport. Pathetic really.
He seems to forget the gifts the FIA gave him that year, his inherited victory in Spa after a dodgy ‘spirit of the rules’ decision that stripped Lewis of one of his best victories in his career. He forgets his abysmal performance at Silverstone (I was actually there watching him spin off the circuit repeatedly). He forgets his unsafe release at Valencia where the stewards spent 25 lap’s investigating him and took long enough for the race to end before they abandoned a 10 second penalty and decided just to give him a small fine. A decision Force India were not lucky enough to receive in the same race.
Singapore was a disgrace to the sport, but Ferrari also let Felipe down under pressure there and he needs to let it go. Imagine Lewis suing over Abu Dhabi 2021?! It would be pathetic.
My goodness. Only 2 races in and everyone has given up the goose. Lets see where things are at after Silverstone....
In my opinion I think what will go against Massa is the fact that the pit crew screwed up when he came in to pit which caused him to drop places in the race because if the pit screw had not screwed up he would have finished higher and got the points he needed to win the championship. Therefore it will no doubt be argued that if he had not pitted then the crash would have been irrelevant or if the pit stop had gone how it should have gone the crash would have been irrelevant. Massa did not lose the championship due to Piquet Jr deliberately crashing to bring out the safety car, Massa lost the championship because his pit crew screwed up.
Hell, Eddie Irvine probably would have been WDC in 1999 if not for Ferrari misplacing one of his tires at the European Grand Prix.
You’re right, it probably needs to be judged via Massa’s very selective defence and focus on just the mistakes in that race. He sat at the end of the pit lane for the best part of a minute, maybe more waiting for his mechanics to arrive and pull out the fuel nozzle. Even rival team mechanics had a go.
Sadly for Massa, his loss didn’t just come down to one race or a single lap, he had some poor races that year and despite having the consistently faster car, he wasn’t good enough over the entirety of the season. I do feel sorry for him that he’s retired and this is all he’s thinking about. Had Ferrari not changed the floor in the first quarter of the season, I think Kimi would have won that championship. The fact Kimi’s manager had to threaten Ferrari with lawyers to revert back, speaks volumes. His performances improved massively after that and he was supporting Massa by that point. Ferrari backed the wrong driver in hindsight.
Indeed, perhaps he should think about suing the sport, like Massa.
I think we can all see the difference between the team messing up and the sport's organization knowingly turning a blind eye to cheating, even if that one race might not have decided the championship. In my eyes something like this would be enough to nullify the championship that season. It's certainly happened in other major sporting events.
I would be very surprised if Massa was to win the court case because Piquet Jr deliberately crashing on lap 14 to bring out the safety car did not directly impact on Massa losing the race, the pit crew screw up was the cause which resulted in Massa leaving the pit lane in last place and ultimately ending the race out of the points. I am sure it will also be argued in court that in the next race, the Japanese GP, Hamilton ended up out of the points but Massa could only finish the race in 7th, a missed opportunity to regain points that he failed to get in the Singapore GP. I am sure fans and critics of the sport would have said it was karma that Massa failed to take advantage of. He is out of the points in the Singapore GP and Hamilton is out of the points in the next race. If Massa had finished 3rd, the same position Hamilton finished in the Singapore race, it would have cancelled out each others failure to score points, Massa in Singapore and Hamilton in Japan. A very important note to point out which I feel will go against Massa is that if Massa finished the Japanese GP in the same position that Hamilton finished in the Singapore GP, Massa would have won the championship.
If the Singapore GP was the last race of the season Massa could have a good argument to make about 'Crashgate' but the fact there was 3 races left to make up for the pit lane error in the Singapore GP I think that will go against him. I would be very surprised if he wins the court case.
If the Singapore GP was the last race of the season Massa could have a good argument to make about 'Crashgate' but the fact there was 3 races left to make up for the pit lane error in the Singapore GP I think that will go against him. I would be very surprised if he wins the court case.
Where do you draw the line though? Do they nullify 1990, 1994, 1997 where a competitor deliberately crashed into another driver to win or try and win the championship? Imagine if Villeneuve was asked to hand back 1997 even though he wasn't the cheat. Another example is Alonso in 2005, where BAR were suspended mid season for cheating with an illegal ballast. It wouldn't be fair to strip him of the title, nor would it be fair to strip Niki Lauda in 1984 because Tyrell spent the entire season cheating with a secondary tank to take on ball bearings to bring them up to weight.
It opens up a huge can of worms and not exactly fair to strip titles because other events affected others that were unable to win. If the FIA are going to nullify something, it should be the points gained by Renault. The matter was handled in 2009 though.
That last part is very important in my opinion and agree with it 100% because if Massa was to win it would set a president for other drivers and teams to make claims for them not winning the championship.
Well they did nullify '97, remember? Schumi DQ'ed and JV wins...
I'd love them to do that to '94... poor little Damon...
Yeah I can't see Massa winning...
I know they disqualified Schumacher in 1997, but the point that was made was to nullify the entire season in 2008 for everybody. I don't agree with that and gave 1997 as an example of stripping Jacques of his title because someone else decided to cheat. That would be totally outrageous.Well they did nullify '97, remember? Schumi DQ'ed and JV wins...
I'd love them to do that to '94... poor little Damon...
Yeah I can't see Massa winning...
I don't want to see titles awarded and stripped in retrospect, that is now history. As bad as it was in 1994, I think Schumachers legacy and how it was tainted by it was justice enough.
I don't think that Massa will win either. Nullifying the season might be taking it too far, I'll admit, but nullifying the 2008 Singapore GP wouldn't seem too outrageous to me. But that would effectively nullify Lewis's title that year.