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Glideslope

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Drop the volts, stick with horses and sugar fuel, companies like AMG and others could "modify" the engine off standard road legal monsters to run in F1.. That is what F1 should be, you see and hear AMG and other car engines, save up/work hard and buy the brand you like... hybrid is like DVD, it was great but limited.. Lets have the full chat of pure horses.. not some play fake unreliable half and half system..

Tell that to Porsche with the new 911.3 GTS
T-Hybrid. 😉
 

JustinePaula

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Tell that to Porsche with the new 911.3 GTS
T-Hybrid. 😉
The T in T hybrid...what does the T stand for?? I am thinking of a certain well loved emoji... hybrid cars in F1 is a stupid idea... F1 should be about converting deceased dinosaurs into a lot of noise and a lot of speed...Volts can run the journalist's laptops only..
 
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cyb3rdud3

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The T in T hybrid...what does the T stand for?? I am thinking of a certain well loved emoji... hybrid cars in F1 is a stupid idea... F1 should be about converting deceased dinosaurs into a lot of noise and a lot of speed...Volts can run the journalist's laptops only..
Adds a lot of power to the car. I've got a supercharged hybrid Porsche. And boom, it goes. And without the battery, it still goes, but you lose top-end power. I like this in F1 as it is an element where the driver needs to be strategic about when to utilise that, and when to e-charge it again.
 
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Glideslope

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The T in T hybrid...what does the T stand for?? I am thinking of a certain well loved emoji... hybrid cars in F1 is a stupid idea... F1 should be about converting deceased dinosaurs into a lot of noise and a lot of speed...Volts can run the journalist's laptops only..

Now your just looking for attention......;)
 

JustinePaula

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Just having fun, folks that this so seriously... it is friday, live and laugh, but really F1 needs deceased dinosaurs roaring v10's at full chat, at 120DB...
 
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CWallace

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F1 cannot be F1 if the manufacturers are not in it. And the manufacturers are in it for the hybrid power because that is the direction the "industrialized world" has dictated personal and commercial transportation must go so those manufacturers use F1 to develop that technology for their personal and commercial vehicle divisions.

Kind of reminds me of the late Brock Yates who constantly argued for the Indianapolis 500 to move to an "open" engine format where one could run anything they want - pure IC, hybrid IC, pure electric, etc.
 
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JustinePaula

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F1 cannot be F1 if the manufacturers are not in it. And the manufacturers are in it for the hybrid power because that is the direction the "industrialized world" has dictated personal and commercial transportation must go so those manufacturers use F1 to develop that technology for their personal and commercial vehicle divisions.

Kind of reminds me of the late Brock Yates who constantly argued for the Indianapolis 500 to move to an "open" engine format where one could run anything they want - pure IC, hybrid IC, pure electric, etc.
But if Merc, Audi, Toyota are scaling back EV development and going back to deceased dinosaur engines.. F1 needs to revert back to a single source of noise, volts for the coffee machine and journalist laptops, ex dinosaurs for the speed and thrill and crowing of WDC... But I know that F1 will never go back to dinosaur engines, which is a pity as it does not reflect what is "pinnacle" EV is dead technology..

If EV/hybrid is where F1 wants to be, then why is E-Prix not on the same circuits as F1? On some of the smaller tracks instead of F2/F3, you have E Prix, F1/Porsche StupidCup.. But E-Prix is banished to obscure tracks, not given any sort of mention by F1... Something strange.. very curious and odd..
 
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cyb3rdud3

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But if Merc, Audi, Toyota are scaling back EV development and going back to deceased dinosaur engines..
Are they? Or does some press say they are? Love to see an official press release stating that.

F1 needs to revert back to a single source of noise, volts for the coffee machine and journalist laptops, ex dinosaurs for the speed and thrill and crowing of WDC... But I know that F1 will never go back to dinosaur engines, which is a pity as it does not reflect what is "pinnacle" EV is dead technology..
Don't knock it until you try it ...
If EV/hybrid is where F1 wants to be, then why is E-Prix not on the same circuits as F1? On some of the smaller tracks instead of F2/F3, you have E Prix, F1/Porsche StupidCup.. But E-Prix is banished to obscure tracks, not given any sort of mention by F1... Something strange.. very curious and odd..
A combination of factors varying from that an F1 style circuit isn't really a Formula E style circuit. Why don't they have Nascar or Indycar at Monaco? Then there is also logistics, especially for the street style circuits, want to close down Monaco for a few more weeks? And of course, the one that on paper is easiest to solve with money, rights. But there are also for some circuits exclusive rights.

Alternatively, you could go in search for conspiracy theories and find it curious or odd. I prefer basic logic.
 
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Glideslope

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Are they? Or does some press say they are? Love to see an official press release stating that.


Don't knock it until you try it ...

A combination of factors varying from that an F1 style circuit isn't really a Formula E style circuit. Why don't they have Nascar or Indycar at Monaco? Then there is also logistics, especially for the street style circuits, want to close down Monaco for a few more weeks? And of course, the one that on paper is easiest to solve with money, rights. But there are also for some circuits exclusive rights.

Alternatively, you could go in search for conspiracy theories and find it curious or odd. I prefer basic logic.

Don't feed the trolls.
 

JustinePaula

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Why do you assume troll? It is the next obvious evolution of F1, from fuel to hybrid, to full EV, E Prix could/should replace F2/F3, for 2 reasons, 1-the next step for F1 into full EV racing, and 2-No one cares about F2/F3 in terms of drivers, the F1 teams prefer older "gentlemen" drivers as WEC calls them, so given that F2/F3 has no value...replace the cars with 20 E Prix cars... 10 reserve F1 drivers, and 10 women drivers...
 

CWallace

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When E-Prix started, they had to physically swap the cars at half-distance because the batteries could not go any farther. Only now, years later, can they actually complete a race on a single charge.

And while EVs are currently the "holy grail option" for some circles, there is still too much "range anxiety" and "charging anxiety" amongst the buying public for them to make a massive penetration into the market at the moment. Hence why hybrids and plug-in hybrids are the current focus because their combination of IC engine and battery pack alleviate both of those anxieties. So F1 (and now IndyCar) continue to develop and advance hybrid technology as that is the more relevant path at this time.
 
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Apple fanboy

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When E-Prix started, they had to physically swap the cars at half-distance because the batteries could not go any farther. Only now, years later, can they actually complete a race on a single charge.

And while EVs are currently the "holy grail option" for some circles, there is still too much "range anxiety" and "charging anxiety" amongst the buying public for them to make a massive penetration into the market at the moment. Hence why hybrids and plug-in hybrids are the current focus because their combination of IC engine and battery pack alleviate both of those anxieties. So F1 (and now IndyCar) continue to develop and advance hybrid technology as that is the more relevant path at this time.
As an EV driver charging anxiety really never crossed my mind. I think the cost of EV’s is what puts many off. Mostly because they want big batteries to overcome range anxiety (which costs more), even though most could have a sun 100 mile range car with no affect on 90% of the journeys they make.

I never understood why formula E had those races when they swapped cars. Why not just have 2 short sprints?
 

CWallace

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As an EV driver charging anxiety really never crossed my mind.

Guess it depends on your situation. If you own/rent a home with a garage, charging is not an issue since you can install 240V and charge overnight. But for people like myself in apartments, I would have to use public charging stations. Fortunately, I have two extremely close to me and they are maintained in excellent working order, but there have been plenty of stories about poorly-maintained and inoperative public chargers to put some sense of fear in potential buyer's minds.
 

Apple fanboy

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Guess it depends on your situation. If you own/rent a home with a garage, charging is not an issue since you can install 240V and charge overnight. But for people like myself in apartments, I would have to use public charging stations. Fortunately, I have two extremely close to me and they are maintained in excellent working order, but there have been plenty of stories about poorly-maintained and inoperative public chargers to put some sense of fear in potential buyer's minds.
I have a home charger but rarely use it. Mostly I charge at work on one of the two days a week I go in. I like free charging best of all.
 

CWallace

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Sounds like more possible turbulence in the 2025 driver market with Kimi Antonelli perhaps not guaranteed at Mercedes and Perez under pressure at Red Bull.

Speculation is now that if Mercedes looks to be competitive next year, they may not want to risk a rookie so he could spend another year in F2 or instead go to Williams to replace Logan. Mercedes could then go for Carlos and offer him the minimum of two years he wants.

And if Red Bull does tire of Perez and tosses him by the end of the year, that would open his seat up for Daniel and Daniel's seat for Liam Lawson. Even being tossed by Red Bull would not hurt Perez's chances at Alpine, Williams or even perhaps Audi.

 

cyb3rdud3

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Guess it depends on your situation. If you own/rent a home with a garage, charging is not an issue since you can install 240V and charge overnight. But for people like myself in apartments, I would have to use public charging stations. Fortunately, I have two extremely close to me and they are maintained in excellent working order, but there have been plenty of stories about poorly-maintained and inoperative public chargers to put some sense of fear in potential buyer's minds.
Yes, definitely, without home charging it can be an extremely diverse experience. We now have a full EV for over two years, at first, there was range anxiety, absolutely. But soon you learn that for as good as every EV on sale, the range can be measured in poronkusema units :), and thus it is a none issue. But most people will go through it. I agree.

Then there was charger anxiety, luckily in Western Europe, not necessarily of the variety of can I find one, but more like does it actually work. Especially in the UK, as nearly everything is badly maintained, and we had two that just didn't work or required a call to the service desk to be reset. However, since then, we've driven over 40K miles on electric only across 9 countries and partially moved to the Netherlands. Charger anxiety was cured rapidly as well.

However, whilst our home is rebuilt in the Netherlands, I don't have my own charging, as our temporary flat doesn't have chargers. And I rather part in the underground car park then walk in the rain and leave it on the street. In addition, I go twice a month through four countries to go between places. The ferries don't have charging onboard, and I don't have to make stops on either side. So for myself, I've bought a Porsche Hybrid which gets me there on one tank, about 1,000Km easily. And has the green credentials to allow for tax reductions, and be allowed in clean air zones, has some luxury, and plenty of power.

Bringing back to F1, having a full EV (typically no gearbox) and the Porsche Hybrid. It is funny to drive in full electric mode and go through all the gears. Furthermore, when the battery is fully charged, the power boost on full throttle is unreal due to the way it is aligned with the gearbox. Very different style of hybrid technology than I'm used to in more ordinary cars.
 
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Sounds like more possible turbulence in the 2025 driver market with Kimi Antonelli perhaps not guaranteed at Mercedes and Perez under pressure at Red Bull.

Speculation is now that if Mercedes looks to be competitive next year, they may not want to risk a rookie so he could spend another year in F2 or instead go to Williams to replace Logan. Mercedes could then go for Carlos and offer him the minimum of two years he wants.

And if Red Bull does tire of Perez and tosses him by the end of the year, that would open his seat up for Daniel and Daniel's seat for Liam Lawson. Even being tossed by Red Bull would not hurt Perez's chances at Alpine, Williams or even perhaps Audi.


I heard a strong rumour Mercedes were after Carlos too. Think that’s their best option with his experience and speed. He might end up leaving Ferrari and going to a better car ironically lol, imagine that?

Something isn’t right in the Perez situation. Reminds me of Kimi at Ferrari in 2009. How does an experienced driver who was so consistent, suddenly struggle as badly as him? With Kimi it was a change of floor that didn’t suit him and he eventually got the design reversed after some management pressure. No idea why Sergio is suddenly finding his Red Bull difficult and why it’s taking them so long to address? Of course Red Bull are taking no responsibility in it but that’s their style much like with Gasly and Albon who had less time than Sergio is getting.
 
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I heard a strong rumour Mercedes were after Carlos too. Think that’s their best option with his experience and speed. He might end up leaving Ferrari and going to a better car ironically lol, imagine that?

Something isn’t right in the Perez situation. Reminds me of Kimi at Ferrari in 2009. How does an experienced driver who was so consistent, suddenly struggle as badly as him? With Kimi it was a change of floor that didn’t suit him and he eventually got the design reversed after some management pressure. No idea why Sergio is suddenly finding his Red Bull difficult and why it’s taking them so long to address? Of course Red Bull are taking no responsibility in it but that’s their style much like with Gasly and Albon who had less time than Sergio is getting.
It's funny that when the RB was clearly the best car he was usually in the top 5, if not 2nd.

Now that it seems a couple of teams have caught up, he's struggling.
 

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Just watched the 20 worst/best pit lane fails from F1 tv, way too many belong to a team in red based in Italy, driver of number 44 is going there, does he know just how bad the team is at pitstops? Imagine driver of number 44 looses the championship cause some muppet in red fireproofs brings a wet tyre instead of mediums?? It will happen, and more than once...
 
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pachyderm

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Just watched the 20 worst/best pit lane fails from F1 tv, way too many belong to a team in red based in Italy, driver of number 44 is going there, does he know just how bad the team is at pitstops? Imagine driver of number 44 looses the championship cause some muppet in red fireproofs brings a wet tyre instead of mediums?? It will happen, and more than once...
lol

yup.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I heard a strong rumour Mercedes were after Carlos too. Think that’s their best option with his experience and speed. He might end up leaving Ferrari and going to a better car ironically lol, imagine that?

Something isn’t right in the Perez situation. Reminds me of Kimi at Ferrari in 2009. How does an experienced driver who was so consistent, suddenly struggle as badly as him? With Kimi it was a change of floor that didn’t suit him and he eventually got the design reversed after some management pressure. No idea why Sergio is suddenly finding his Red Bull difficult and why it’s taking them so long to address? Of course Red Bull are taking no responsibility in it but that’s their style much like with Gasly and Albon who had less time than Sergio is getting.
Sergio isn’t right. The car clear is designed as a fast car. Sure definitely not an easy car. And as the others caught up it is really showing how bad Sergio is at adapting to a fast car. You’d have thought that as this is his job he had to adapt.
 
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