2024 Formula 1 Season thread

[JustinePaula]

F1 should be the test bed for future tech, not some limp donkey with asthma and heartwater.. The idiots ruining the sport, sorry running, or ruining, ruining is better, yes, what they have done is destroy a perfectly great formula for really no reason...

Now we have whiny little ceo's going and crying to mommy FIA, Johnny is making rude noises..make him stop.. instead of being true real mature CEO's, and hiring/firing PHD's.. they want bans.. Bans are for serious events, like cheating and costing money, innovation like the Mercs 2 dimensional steering wheel, out does this, in the opposite, or 2 pedal braking, or left and right asymmetrical braking..

F1 is only 1 bank deposit away from full self driving by AI.. You don't think the Mayor of Marsville will mandate FSD if he bought F1.. He could and who would stop him? Do we want ChatGpt as the WDC/CDC/WAC?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

As bad as this is for Piastri and his morale, from a team management point of view its the only strategy to secure both titles. I hate team orders and sort of hope Verstappen and Norris have a couple of DNF's and we get a three way title fight. Maybe Oscar is being offered a bonus or a promise for next season? Whatever, its not a nice request to make on a driver who is as good as his teammate.

McLaren ask Oscar Piastri to back Lando Norris F1 title bid

McLaren are to prioritise Lando Norris over team-mate Oscar Piastri in their bid to win both Formula 1 world championships this year, team principal Andrea Stella tells BBC Sport.

www.bbc.co.uk

It is a teamsport, and if they want to win they got to have a strategy. I would argue it is only good for the morale. Piastri's time will come, maybe as soon as next year. Just got to get himself in that position sooner in the season and the choice is easy. This is not about favourites, it is about winning prices.

 

[pachyderm]

So the F3 champion didn't win a single race?

F3 champion Fornaroli on his spectacular final-lap showdown

It almost got away from him, but Leonardo Fornaroli showed the fortitude and bravery to win the 2024 Formula 3 Drivers’ Championship at the final corner on the final lap of the season.

www.formula1.com

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

So the F3 champion didn't win a single race?

F3 champion Fornaroli on his spectacular final-lap showdown

It almost got away from him, but Leonardo Fornaroli showed the fortitude and bravery to win the 2024 Formula 3 Drivers’ Championship at the final corner on the final lap of the season.

www.formula1.com

It's only one race less than Keke.

 

[laptech]

As bad as this is for Piastri and his morale, from a team management point of view its the only strategy to secure both titles. I hate team orders and sort of hope Verstappen and Norris have a couple of DNF's and we get a three way title fight. Maybe Oscar is being offered a bonus or a promise for next season? Whatever, its not a nice request to make on a driver who is as good as his teammate.

McLaren ask Oscar Piastri to back Lando Norris F1 title bid

McLaren are to prioritise Lando Norris over team-mate Oscar Piastri in their bid to win both Formula 1 world championships this year, team principal Andrea Stella tells BBC Sport.

www.bbc.co.uk

Being a 'team player' is what employers demand of their employee's these days. You look at employment applications, the huge majority stipulate in their listing 'Must be able to work as part of a team'. This does come with it's own headaches though because employers need to set the right balance of asking employers to 'take one for the team' (as the saying goes) because the employee being asked to be a 'team player' will expect the same to be applied to other employee's. I've been in job's where an employer has always asked a specific employee to be that 'team player' because they know they can trust and rely on that employee to do what is being asked. It became a problem when that one employee was the only one being asked to be a 'team player' and yes you guessed it that employee left due to being treated unfairly.

Piastri will have to suck it up and 'take one for the team' (as the majority of us employee's have to) but he will expect the team to do the same for him. It's when they do not is when he should question his future at the team.

 

[Glideslope]

As bad as this is for Piastri and his morale, from a team management point of view its the only strategy to secure both titles. I hate team orders and sort of hope Verstappen and Norris have a couple of DNF's and we get a three way title fight. Maybe Oscar is being offered a bonus or a promise for next season? Whatever, its not a nice request to make on a driver who is as good as his teammate.

McLaren ask Oscar Piastri to back Lando Norris F1 title bid

McLaren are to prioritise Lando Norris over team-mate Oscar Piastri in their bid to win both Formula 1 world championships this year, team principal Andrea Stella tells BBC Sport.

www.bbc.co.uk

This will not end well. Oscar has the raw talent to finish ahead of Lando on any given Sunday.



and so it begins.........

Aston Martin make Verstappen stance clear after Newey capture

Max Verstappen to Aston Martin? It is certainly not an outlandish idea.

racingnews365.com

 

[JustinePaula]

Being a team player? That cost driver of car 44 a title in 2021.. You see the point of drivers is to accumulate points, the more the better, car 44's driver lost the title not because of events in Adu Dhabi, this driver lost a title due to what happened in Bahrain, Spain and Portugal.. To recap, Lewis 3 wins, yay..Warn Duff Beer to his team, they hired a driver for the 2nd car that was at the best of times, the catering bus reserve driver..

You see in F1, 25 points for a win, 18 for 1st loser.. 15 for 3rd.. you get the idea, 18 is 3 more than 3rd, and 3x3=9 points...

The Duff Warm Beer goes to Mercedes as in Bahrain, Spain, Portugal, in case you forgot, Wins x 3 for driver of car 44... Max 3x 2nd, and Duff driver in Merc car 2---3 x 3rd....

Lewis would have won a title in 2021 had the duff driver finished 2nd x 3, in effect robbed Max of 9 points...

What was the final points difference in 2021, 1st to 2nd?? After Adu Dhabi? 8 points, 8 is less than 9... so 3x3=9 Lewis would have won the title had the Duff Warm Beer driver finished 2nd x 3...

So if Pawpaw is to win, it has to decide on the season as a whole, this last pawpaw rules, could be the Bahrain/Spain/Portugal of 2021 back to haunt the pawpaw's..

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Huh!? 🤔🤷‍♂️🤣

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

This will not end well. Oscar has the raw talent to finish ahead of Lando on any given Sunday.

To be fair they both have the talent to finish ahead of each other and do. Had Oscar scored more points up until now, McLaren would have been wise to do the same thing. At this point they either go for 1st and 3rd in the WDC, or 2nd and 3rd.

 

[laptech]

A team cannot have two alpha's because all they do is end up fighting each other on the track to claim the win with the possibility that they take each other out allowing other teams to win. A team will always have one alpha, the one considered to be the one to win the title and the beta, the one considered not good enough to win the title but good enough to be up there in the points to help the team win the constructors title.

The team will always have a No.1 and No.2 driver and it is their responsibility to make sure who ever they get to fill those spots have done so in the right order because there is nothing more embarrassing for a team to have got it wrong with the No.2 driver constantly outdoing the No.1 driver.

Whilst I understand there are people that do not like team orders, you need to understand the issues of sponsorships where the sponsors will be expecting one of their drivers to win the title and the team to win the constructors title because failure to do so could mean either a) the sponsor ends the contract or b) the sponsor reduces the sponsorship money for the following season. Millions, possibly billions of $$$ could be riding on which driver the team put's all their effort into.

If the team feel Norris is the one with the best chance of winning the title at this stage in the season then it should never be any doubt, his team mate is to help him win the title. In the standings Piastri is too far behind on points to be able to make a realistic challenge for the title because he would have to win nearly all the remaining GP's or being in the top 3 in all the remaining GP's with Max and Lando being out of the top 4 in all the remaining races. That is not going to happen in my opinion. Lando is the driver in the best position to win the title. He has more points than Piastri meaning he is closet to Max for the title plus also Lando has had more top 3 finishes than Piastri has. Asking Piastri to help Lando win the title was the most obvious choice.

 

[headlessmike]

This will not end well. Oscar has the raw talent to finish ahead of Lando on any given Sunday.

If Oscar is first and Lando is anywhere else but second, they'll certainly still let him go for the win, especially if it means denying Max a win. If Oscar is just ahead of Lando, then it will be a different story from now on for obvious reasons. But it's certainly better to have a discussion about this now than in the heat of the moment during a race.

 

[Zest28]

Imo, Oscar sucks. McLaren had an easy 1-2 last race but Oscar decided to have a near collision with Lando on the first lap forcing Lando to do a last minute avoiding action and ruin his tyres. Charles overtook Lando too because of Oscar.

Charles was thanking Oscar for screwing Lando so much.

The funny thing is, McLaren told Lando to give up 1st place in Hungary because Lando needs Oscar to win the champion. What a lie by McLaren because Oscar so far has been damaging Lando his WDC challenge. Lando might as well just have won Hungary as Oscar has not helped him what so ever.

 

[laptech]

Lando is only 62 points behind Max where as Piastri is 106 points behind Max. It is far to risky to let Piastri try for the title even if people consider him a better driver than Lando. Just to make up the 106 point deficit Piastri would have to win 4 races out of the remaining 8 and would have to expect Max, Lando and Leclerc to not finish in the points in 4 races. It's just not possible in my opinion because there would have to be major failures to all 3 drivers for the remaining 8 races for Piastri to have any hope of taking the title. Even for Lando to take the title he would have to win at least 3 GP's, 2 at the most and for Max to fail to register any points.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Lando is only 62 points behind Max where as Piastri is 106 points behind Max. It is far to risky to let Piastri try for the title even if people consider him a better driver than Lando. Just to make up the 106 point deficit Piastri would have to win 4 races out of the remaining 8 and would have to expect Max, Lando and Leclerc to not finish in the points in 4 races. It's just not possible in my opinion because there would have to be major failures to all 3 drivers for the remaining 8 races for Piastri to have any hope of taking the title. Even for Lando to take the title he would have to win at least 3 GP's, 2 at the most and for Max to fail to register any points.

Agreed, now if he drives like that straight from the start next season then we have a different conversation. The time isn't there yet, but its pretty impressive that he can be there soon, very soon.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Imo, Oscar sucks. McLaren had an easy 1-2 last race but Oscar decided to have a near collision with Lando on the first lap forcing Lando to do a last minute avoiding action and ruin his tyres. Charles overtook Lando too because of Oscar.

Yes and no. Under "papayarules" he did exactly what was expected from him. He is racing to win. I think he only sucks if he continues like that now the 'rules' have changed.

Charles was thanking Oscar for screwing Lando so much.

Charles basically did an Oscar When two dogs fight over a bone, the third will get it.

The funny thing is, McLaren told Lando to give up 1st place in Hungary because Lando needs Oscar to win the champion. What a lie by McLaren because Oscar so far has been damaging Lando his WDC challenge. Lando might as well just have won Hungary as Oscar has not helped him what so ever.

I didn't agree with what McLaren did in Hungary, but they basically messed up and artificially gave advantage to Lando. Morally perhaps the right thing to do, but not the right thing to do for the price. That one decision could be the failure to take it from Max.

 

[Zest28]

Yes and no. Under "papayarules" he did exactly what was expected from him. He is racing to win. I think he only sucks if he continues like that now the 'rules' have changed.

Charles basically did an Oscar When two dogs fight over a bone, the third will get it.

I didn't agree with what McLaren did in Hungary, but they basically messed up and artificially gave advantage to Lando. Morally perhaps the right thing to do, but not the right thing to do for the price. That one decision could be the failure to take it from Max.

Please, Oscar has no shot of winning the WDC. Lewis and George will steal enough points away from Oscar if Lando doesn't do it.

The only driver who had a chance, although a very small chance, is Lando. But now thanks to McLaren and Oscar, that chance might be gone now.

Mclaren and Oscar are clear examples on how not to be a team.

Max probably couldn't believe Mclaren and Oscar are helping him win the WDC, rather than helping Lando.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Please, Oscar has no shot of winning the WDC. Lewis and George will steal enough points away from Oscar if Lando doesn't do it.

The only driver who had a chance, although a very small chance, is Lando. But now thanks to McLaren and Oscar, that chance might be gone now.

Mclaren and Oscar are clear examples on how not to be a team.

Max probably couldn't believe Mclaren and Oscar are helping him win the WDC, rather than helping Lando.

Hey I agree with you And McLaren now as well as they've changed their rules, but they did it in their eyes for their right (moral) reasons. I can appreciate that despite it being very very stupid of them 🤣

 

[Glideslope]

To be fair they both have the talent to finish ahead of each other and do. Had Oscar scored more points up until now, McLaren would have been wise to do the same thing. At this point they either go for 1st and 3rd in the WDC, or 2nd and 3rd.

I'll respectfully disagree. I'm of the opinion Oscar's the better wheelman.

If Oscar is first and Lando is anywhere else but second, they'll certainly still let him go for the win, especially if it means denying Max a win. If Oscar is just ahead of Lando, then it will be a different story from now on for obvious reasons. But it's certainly better to have a discussion about this now than in the heat of the moment during a race.

Agreed. It's always better to have clear, and timely communications. Zak needs to improve allot in this area. Although I don't see anything on the horizon other than Papaya Wars 2025.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'll respectfully disagree. I'm of the opinion Oscar's the better wheelman.

I haven’t seen any evidence of that but each to their own.

 

[Glideslope]

I haven’t seen any evidence of that but each to their own.

I should have been clearer in my opinion. My observations tell me that Oscar is significantly more mature and in control of his emotions.

 

[pachyderm]

Huh!? 🤔🤷‍♂️🤣

I unignored them for that...

JK, jk

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I unignored them for that...

JK, jk

Sorry 😞 😂🤣

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I should have been clearer in my opinion. My observations tell me that Oscar is significantly more mature and in control of his emotions.

I do agree with that. He is very focused, almost machine like and boring at it. Super mature for his age. I love seeing someone taking the most of the opportunity he's got.

 

[Glideslope]

I do agree with that. He is very focused, almost machine like and boring at it. Super mature for his age. I love seeing someone taking the most of the opportunity he's got.

Agreed. Machine like is accurate. Maybe a young Schumacher? Or Hamilton?

Senna comes to mind as well. Although Oscar doesn’t have that Knife’s Edge approach.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Agreed. Machine like is accurate. Maybe a young Schumacher? Or Hamilton?

Senna comes to mind as well. Although Oscar doesn’t have that Knife’s Edge approach.

I was more thinking like a Max Verstappen but without the passion, more robotic and less funny.