2024 Formula 1 Season thread

[Harry Haller]

Ferrari must be kicking themselves over their qualy snafus.
I really don’t know how Carlos manages to care anymore after being rubbished by the team.

 

[JustinePaula]

I would pay £2.50 to watch the livestream of the Lewis v Totto tyre debrief.. That alone I think has to be about the worst decision any team could make, short of starting on monsoons..

 

[Glideslope]

Ferrari must be kicking themselves over their qualy snafus.
I really don’t know how Carlos manages to care anymore after being rubbished by the team.

Absolutely. Qualy really didn't reflect race pace at all. Several teams were waiting for the SC, which is not a poor strategy given the circuit. IMO, Oscar may have been able to put pressure on Max if McLaren hadn't put him in the position of having to push those hards on his out laps. They gave up fairly quickly.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Not the best race. Highlights were around 90 minutes on Channel 4. They probably struggled to fill it!

Lando tried to make it interesting. Apparently Goodyear paid him a few £££ to see if he could get the Pirelli name of the sidewall’s 😀

Would have been better if Lewis had got the jump on Max at the start, or if they didn’t cobble him with the softs and early stop. Of course an early SC and it could have been different for him.

So is Ricardo done? To finish with a fastest lap isn’t a bad way to go. Especially if Max wins the drivers championship by 1 point.

If Lando wins the remaining races and Max I’d second I think Max still wins. But there are also some sprints to come (as well as fastest lap points). So not sure what will happen. But I can’t see Lando winning every race or Max finishing second. Different tracks seem to suit Ferrari or the Mercs, so will see where we are at the end of the year.

At least it’s interesting compared to the predicted years.

 

[Glideslope]

Not the best race. Highlights were around 90 minutes on Channel 4. They probably struggled to fill it!

Lando tried to make it interesting. Apparently Goodyear paid him a few £££ to see if he could get the Pirelli name of the sidewall’s 😀

Would have been better if Lewis had got the jump on Max at the start, or if they didn’t cobble him with the softs and early stop. Of course an early SC and it could have been different for him.

So is Ricardo done? To finish with a fastest lap isn’t a bad way to go. Especially if Max wins the drivers championship by 1 point.

If Lando wins the remaining races and Max I’d second I think Max still wins. But there are also some sprints to come (as well as fastest lap points). So not sure what will happen. But I can’t see Lando winning every race or Max finishing second. Different tracks seem to suit Ferrari or the Mercs, so will see where we are at the end of the year.

At least it’s interesting compared to the predicted years.

It’s a fitting exit for Daniel. Shafting McLaren and helping Max. Seems appropriate.

Lando can win the remaining GP’s, Sprints, and Fastest Laps. Max needs P2 in the remaining GP’s to take the WDC.

This was made possible by Daniel’s lap today. Time will tell.

 

[Apple fanboy]

It’s a fitting exit for Daniel. Shafting McLaren and helping Max. Seems appropriate.

Lando can win the remaining GP’s, Sprints, and Fastest Laps. Max needs P2 in the remaining GP’s to take the WDC.

This was made possible by Daniel’s lap today. Time will tell.

I don’t see Lando winning them all. I don’t see Max picking up second in all those events either. Too many other players with a say in the WDC I think.
Constructor’s is done though. Perez has seen to that.

 

[laptech]

As I pointed out before, Lando has to win at least 4 races without Max being in the top 6 to breach the points gap between him and Max because every time Max finishes in the top 5 the points are always enough to keep the distance between him and Lando. The ONLY way Lando can win the title is if Max finishes outside the top 5 in all the remaining races and Lando either get's 1st or 2nd in all the remaining races. That's not possible in my opinion. All Max has to do to become champion is to finish behind Lando in the race because the points difference would not be enough for Lando to overtake Max. For Lando to win Lando has to finish two places ahead of Max. If Lando finishes 2nd, Max has to finish in 4th, If Lando finishes in 1st Max has to finish in 3rd. If that was to happen for the remaining 6 races Landon could be the champion.

If it get's too tight at the top in points between Lando and Max, I wonder if the team principles of either team will be telling their 2nd driver to find a way to take them out under a 'racing incident' that does not make it obvious they got taken out. Yes it's a despicable thing to do but we have seen it happen a number of times in the sport.

 

[Glideslope]

I don’t see Lando winning them all. I don’t see Max picking up second in all those events either. Too many other players with a say in the WDC I think.
Constructor’s is done though. Perez has seen to that.

Agreed.

I see Lawson in the VCARB for the remainder then taking Sergio’s seat in 2025. I don’t think Carlos Slims’ millions can save him again. (Rampant Speculation)

As I pointed out before, Lando has to win at least 4 races without Max being in the top 6 to breach the points gap between him and Max because every time Max finishes in the top 5 the points are always enough to keep the distance between him and Lando. The ONLY way Lando can win the title is if Max finishes outside the top 5 in all the remaining races and Lando either get's 1st or 2nd in all the remaining races. That's not possible in my opinion. All Max has to do to become champion is to finish behind Lando in the race because the points difference would not be enough for Lando to overtake Max. For Lando to win Lando has to finish two places ahead of Max. If Lando finishes 2nd, Max has to finish in 4th, If Lando finishes in 1st Max has to finish in 3rd. If that was to happen for the remaining 6 races Landon could be the champion.

If it get's too tight at the top in points between Lando and Max, I wonder if the team principles of either team will be telling their 2nd driver to find a way to take them out under a 'racing incident' that does not make it obvious they got taken out. Yes it's a despicable thing to do but we have seen it happen a number of times in the sport.

Nah. There will be too many eyes watching for that. I could imagine Christian contemplating such an order.

Zak would never entertain it. He’s all about the WCC. That’s where the money is. It’s a done deal for McLaren this season. I don’t think he cares all that much about his drivers winning the WDC.

 

[CWallace]

Yeah, was good for Daniel to go out with a bang. Between that and the points at Hungary that could make the difference for Lando. But why not, Daniel had nothing to loose.

Honestly I am somewhat surprised that Red Bull did not have Daniel do the same at Zandvoort, Monza and Baku. He was out of the points in all three and by pitting to get new tires, he could have taken the Fastest Laps that Lando secured in all three, improving Max's position by three points.

So is Ricardo done? To finish with a fastest lap isn’t a bad way to go. Especially if Max wins the drivers championship by 1 point.

Well Sergio has another "review" before COTA, but as bad as he was in Singapore, he was better than Daniel. So do not really see Red Bull cutting Perez loose for Daniel at COTA and 2025.

 

[pachyderm]

Lando won't win the title. That ship has sailed.

As someone who roots for him I'm simply being realistic. He's going to have to win all the remaining sprints, races and fastest laps and he's going to need Max to completely fall apart. That simply isn't going to happen. And Lando has proven he's not that consistent.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Lando won't win the title. That ship has sailed.

As someone who roots for him I'm simply being realistic. He's going to have to win all the remaining sprints, races and fastest laps and he's going to need Max to completely fall apart. That simply isn't going to happen. And Lando has proven he's not that consistent.

Agreed. Although of course if he loses the championship by a few points he will be pointing the finger at his team for not letting him finish in front of his teammate a few races back.

Consistency is where Max generally has the edge over Lando in a straight fight. But hopefully that will come. Two brushes with the wall when you are 20 odd seconds in front being an example of that.

 

[laptech]

Barring any slip ups McLaren has the WCC in the bag. The last time they won it was in 1998. They did win it in 2007 but was subsequently disqualified because of 'spy-gate'.

The last time McLaren won the WCC and WDC was in 1998 when Mika Häkkinen won the WDC. I know I've mentioned it in one of my previous post about No.2 drivers taking out No.1 driver so their No.1 driver can win the WDC.

But this question is on the same theme but slightly different. McLaren are close to winning the double again, something they have not done since 1998. We are all human beings and as such we have our faults. Now the question is, knowing the double is possible, and please be honest here, if you was the team boss of McLaren, would you at least be having the conversation with the higher up's in McLaren about how to take out Max so McLaren get the double? I am not saying have the talk to make it happen, I am just asking would you entertain the possibility of having such a conversation with the team higher ups on how to take out Max so Lando can win the WDC which would also give the team the WCC. Being honest here, if it were me, yes I would have such a conversation. I would not go through with it but I would still have the conversation none the less.

 

[Zest28]

Lando won't win the title. That ship has sailed.

As someone who roots for him I'm simply being realistic. He's going to have to win all the remaining sprints, races and fastest laps and he's going to need Max to completely fall apart. That simply isn't going to happen. And Lando has proven he's not that consistent.

Ofcourse he won't. And Mclaren and Oscar are to blame for it. Only now they realize that it was a mistake helping Max win the title (because that is what they have been doing all this time by stealing points away from Lando).

Max should invite Oscar and the management of McLaren to his WDC party in Abu Dabi this year.

 

[Zest28]

What exactly did Mercedes try to do with Lewis? It made no sense what so ever.

 

[pachyderm]

Agreed. Although of course if he loses the championship by a few points he will be pointing the finger at his team for not letting him finish in front of his teammate a few races back.

Consistency is where Max generally has the edge over Lando in a straight fight. But hopefully that will come. Two brushes with the wall when you are 20 odd seconds in front being an example of that.

Oh yeah. 100% agreed I've been harping on Hungary, and Monza, for a long time now...

 

[Glideslope]

What exactly did Mercedes try to do with Lewis? It made no sense what so ever.

In post, Toto simply said "They were trying to get in front at the start." Was he saying in front of Max, or Lando? My read is get in front of Max. IMO, this was a team once again betting on a SC. Try to get Lewis in front of at least Max, then a SC, in for mediums.

Not an unreasonable strategy. Not one I think of when it comes to Lewis though.....

 

[laptech]

Agreed. Although of course if he loses the championship by a few points he will be pointing the finger at his team for not letting him finish in front of his teammate a few races back.

Consistency is where Max generally has the edge over Lando in a straight fight. But hopefully that will come. Two brushes with the wall when you are 20 odd seconds in front being an example of that.

Thing is, that will hurt Lando more than the team bosses because in one of your posts you said you felt the team boss was not interesting the WDC but the WCC thus making sure both drivers finish in the top 3 is his priority and not which position his drivers finish in.

If Lando does lose the WDC by a few points, I have no doubt his agent, his family and friends will all be telling him that if was not told to let his teammate finish ahead of him, those few points would have got him to be WDC. Now if that scenario were to happen, I know if I was Lando I would be fuming, absolutely fuming and be giving serious thought about being a continued member of the team.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Thing is, that will hurt Lando more than the team bosses because in one of your posts you said you felt the team boss was not interesting the WDC but the WCC thus making sure both drivers finish in the top 3 is his priority and not which position his drivers finish in.

If Lando does lose the WDC by a few points, I have no doubt his agent, his family and friends will all be telling him that if was not told to let his teammate finish ahead of him, those few points would have got him to be WDC. Now if that scenario were to happen, I know if I was Lando I would be fuming, absolutely fuming and be giving serious thought about being a continued member of the team.

lol. It wasn’t my post. But let’s be honest Lando will 100% want to continue to be with McLaren as long as he feels they are the team best able to deliver him wins and Challenge for the title.

 

[laptech]

lol. It wasn’t my post. But let’s be honest Lando will 100% want to continue to be with McLaren as long as he feels they are the team best able to deliver him wins and Challenge for the title.

Unless RB comes calling saying does he want to pair with Max

 

[Apple fanboy]

Unless RB comes calling saying does he want to pair with Max

At the moment I’d rather be at McLaren. They have the best car. We don’t know if RBR will get their act sorted without Adrian. And who wants to be Max’s number 2 when you can be equal or number 1 at a better team?

 

[laptech]

At the moment I’d rather be at McLaren. They have the best car. We don’t know if RBR will get their act sorted without Adrian. And who wants to be Max’s number 2 when you can be equal or number 1 at a better team?

Can't a team have two No.1's?

 

[Apple fanboy]

Can't a team have two No.1's?

Not if they are called RBR or want to win the drivers championship

 

[pachyderm]

Can't a team have two No.1's?

Let's ask Alain Prost...

 

[Glideslope]

I’m

Unless RB comes calling saying does he want to pair with Max

I think the odds are greater that Max leaves F1.

Let's ask Alain Prost...

Ah, yes, the good old McLaren days…😉

 

[CWallace]

If Lando does lose the WDC by a few points, I have no doubt his agent, his family and friends will all be telling him that if was not told to let his teammate finish ahead of him, those few points would have got him to be WDC. Now if that scenario were to happen, I know if I was Lando I would be fuming, absolutely fuming and be giving serious thought about being a continued member of the team.

Of course, Lando has a number of "own goals" that cost him plenty of points, including his ill-advised pass attempt in Austria and his P16 start in Baku.