2024 Formula 1 Season thread

[Apple fanboy]

If you are betting on a safety car to come, you want to stay out as long as possible so you can do your pitstop when the SC car comes, rather than doing it before. So you need the Medium tyres.

And maintain what? If Lewis has a good start, Lewis cannot defend against Max when Max has superior Medium tyres. Lewis could have only maintained his position against Max if he gets a good start on the Medium tyres until a potential safety car comes.

It’s interesting to see that Lewis as a 7-time WDC has to fight the night before the race explaining Mercedes how the soft tyres will not work (and he is correct) and gets totally ignored. While George with far less F1 experience gets to make his own strategy decisions as what we see during the races.

In the end, it doesn’t matter as Lewis said he is now “done with Mercedes” (I don’t blame him). And he has a good chance of beating Mercedes next year if Ferrari will remain as good as they are.

Softs give you better traction off the line. So good launch and you jump either Max or Lando (depending on their starts). Then an early SC (which is much more common than a late one) and you are in for new tyres and maintain position if you are lucky.
I believe that was the strategy.

 

[Zest28]

Softs give you better traction off the line. So good launch and you jump either Max or Lando (depending on their starts). Then an early SC (which is much more common than a late one) and you are in for new tyres and maintain position if you are lucky.
I believe that was the strategy.

1. You don’t get ahead on the start due to soft tyres, you get ahead due to a good start.
2. You don’t know when the SC comes. And If you “know” a SC will come during the race, you need to stay out long enough to avoid doing your pitstop before the SC comes, which will drop you to the back of the grid and end your race right there.

Everybody on the grid knows you have to stay out long enough with a potential SC, as they were on Mediums, something that Lewis has been asking for himself too.

 

[Apple fanboy]

1. You don’t get ahead on the start due to soft tyres, you get ahead due to a good start.
2. You don’t know when the SC comes. And If you “know” a SC will come during the race, you need to stay out long enough to avoid doing your pitstop before the SC comes, which will drop you to the back of the grid and end your race right there.

Everybody on the grid knows you have to stay out long enough with a potential SC, as they were on Mediums, something that Lewis has been asking for himself too.

Im sorry you are wrong. Soft tyres give you a better launch at the start and get up to temperature quicker. So soft tyres at the start can be a good strategy. However they go off quicker so you have to make them count when they are in the window.
Yes they aren’t magic. You still have to drive well and do the work.

SC can happen at any time. The scenario you describe is a common one yes, but not the only one.

 

[pachyderm]

Im sorry you are wrong. Soft tyres give you a better launch at the start and get up to temperature quicker. So soft tyres at the start can be a good strategy. However they go off quicker so you have to make them count when they are in the window.
Yes they aren’t magic. You still have to drive well and do the work.

SC can happen at any time. The scenario you describe is a common one yes, but not the only one.

And not having a SC at Singapore was a fluke!

 

[Glideslope]

I expect the hope for both Lewis and Daniel was an SC on the first or second lap.



Did Lewis have any new Softs available?

I don't know the answer to that. I'm just going by Toto's Post Comments that the plan was used softs, try to get by someone, then pit on a SC for new mediums. Lewis was not on board with it. Lewis said he didn't realize he had used softs on until the warmers came off. Lewis would not respond to Toto on the cool down. Lewis said "He's done with Mercedes."

No way to treat a 7 Time WC IMO.

 

[CWallace]

1. You don’t get ahead on the start due to soft tyres, you get ahead due to a good start.

Soft tires provide the most traction off the line, which helps you get a good start.

2. You don’t know when the SC comes. And If you “know” a SC will come during the race, you need to stay out long enough to avoid doing your pitstop before the SC comes, which will drop you to the back of the grid and end your race right there.

The teams know historically when Safety Cars occur at each track. Singapore has had it's fair share of very early SCs due to the pack of 20 cars in the first few laps trying to navigate past each other on such a tight and narrow circuit. So Mercedes and VCARB were predicting an early SC would benefit Lewis and Daniel and a later SC would benefit George and Yuki.

The cars that went super long on their first stints did so because Singapore also has it's fair share of mid-to-late SCs so they were indeed hoping for an SC to get a "free" pit stop.

 

[CWallace]

The "brain drain" from Red Bull Racing continues...

Makes one wonder just how competitive Red Bull will be come 2026...

 

[Glideslope]

The "brain drain" from Red Bull Racing continues...

Makes one wonder just how competitive Red Bull will be come 2026...

It's not looking good. Despite Christian's comments on the RBPT development being on schedule, I question it. I'm firmly of the opinion joining with Ford was a colossal error. This isn't 1967-1999. Today's Ford is about Stock Cars that only recently discovered fuel injection.

I'll be interested in the upgrades at Austin. I think this will give a good indication of the internal functioning. TBF, Will has been with RBR for 20 years. He very well may have wanted an opportunity to grow. I'm sure he is being well compensated. The Gardening Leave goes quite a way into 2026. Horner must be perturbed.

 

[CWallace]

It's not looking good. Despite Christian's comments on the RBPT development being on schedule, I question it. I'm firmly of the opinion joining with Ford was a colossal error. This isn't 1967-1999. Today's Ford is about Stock Cars that only recently discovered fuel injection.

Red Bull has been developing their own PSU since the Renault days, so my guess is Ford is providing technical support in ancillary areas and is probably not an active player in the PSU design itself.

 

[Glideslope]

Red Bull has been developing their own PSU since the Renault days, so my guess is Ford is providing technical support in ancillary areas and is probably not an active player in the PSU design itself.

My understanding is they are heavily involved in ECU development/Hybrid and it's ancillary data gathering.

 

[CWallace]

My understanding is they are heavily involved in ECU development/Hybrid and it's ancillary data gathering.

So the FIA is moving away from the common ECU (currently supplied by McLaren Applied) for 2026?

 

[Glideslope]

So the FIA is moving away from the common ECU (currently supplied by McLaren Applied) for 2026?

No, McLaren is still the supplier through 2030. My understanding is Fords role at RBPT is in the area of the SECU and the Hybrid System compatibility. I could be off track however. There are not allot of specifics available. Motorsports.com had a good general overview of Fords role.

 

[CWallace]

Red Bull wasted little time in showing Daniel the door, though it makes sense to give Liam maximum time to acclimate before COTA.

Ricciardo to leave RB as team get set for driver change

Daniel Ricciardo will leave RB with immediate effect, bringing his second stint in Formula 1 to an end.

www.formula1.com

 

[Apple fanboy]

Red Bull wasted little time in showing Daniel the door, though it makes sense to give Liam maximum time to acclimate before COTA.

Ricciardo to leave RB as team get set for driver change

Daniel Ricciardo will leave RB with immediate effect, bringing his second stint in Formula 1 to an end.

www.formula1.com

Not surprised. Hopefully he finds something that suits his talents. His best F1 years were a long way back.

Nice guy though.

 

[Harry Haller]

Red Bull wasted little time in showing Daniel the door, though it makes sense to give Liam maximum time to acclimate before COTA.

Ricciardo to leave RB as team get set for driver change

Daniel Ricciardo will leave RB with immediate effect, bringing his second stint in Formula 1 to an end.

www.formula1.com

They did him a favor, imo.
Prolonging the inevitable made no sense.
Neither did dragging out a foregone conclusion over the last couple of years.
Nice guy, great personality, hope he finds another series to race in if that what he wants.

 

[CWallace]

I really want him to go to WEC HyperCar.

 

[Glideslope]

I really want him to go to WEC HyperCar.

Let's see what happens...................

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I really want him to go to WEC HyperCar.

I want him to go to Sky and replace the lot of them except for Bernie.

 

[CWallace]

I want him to go to Sky and replace the lot of them except for Bernie.

That would work, as well.


I am inclined to believe that Red Bull is giving serious thought to sacking Perez at season's end. They know Daniel is not good enough, so my guess this is an audition for Liam for the seat. If Liam can consistently outperform Yuki for the remainder of the season, I would not be surprised to see him announced as Max's teammate next year.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That would work, as well.


I am inclined to believe that Red Bull is giving serious thought to sacking Perez at season's end. They know Daniel is not good enough, so my guess this is an audition for Liam for the seat. If Liam can consistently outperform Yuki for the remainder of the season, I would not be surprised to see him announced as Max's teammate next year.

There’s lots of talk Perez is going to announce his retirement before the end of the season though as his wife is expecting their fourth child. Red Bull may already be planning his seat.

 

[Glideslope]

That would work, as well.


I am inclined to believe that Red Bull is giving serious thought to sacking Perez at season's end. They know Daniel is not good enough, so my guess this is an audition for Liam for the seat. If Liam can consistently outperform Yuki for the remainder of the season, I would not be surprised to see him announced as Max's teammate next year.

This has been the plan for a while.

There’s lots of talk Perez is going to announce his retirement before the end of the season though as his wife is expecting their fourth child. Red Bull may already be planning his seat.

Well, at least Sergio is performing off the track......

I want him to go to Sky and replace the lot of them except for Bernie.

Daniel might be a good fit for commentary. I never considered it. His voice is easy to listen to. He has many years of experience, and seems to be a student of history in interviews. I like the idea.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

There’s lots of talk Perez is going to announce his retirement before the end of the season though as his wife is expecting their fourth child. Red Bull may already be planning his seat.

Well, he is definitely fast in short bursts at times, but rarely seems to last a full race.

 

[JustinePaula]

Is this thing about the Red Bull car and Checo Perez true? That Red Bull ignored Perez because if Max can win, so can you? I am so confused by the whole thing? Not sure what to make of this.. 1, is it true, 2, if so, that is really unprofessional of the leadership of Red Bull???

I have heard that there is a very obvious bias bordering on racism in regards Perez and the team, that despite what he said about the car, he was not regarded as valuable input, "If max can drive the car, why are you having issues.." Perez said the problems stemmed from an upgrade done in Spain..Since then, the car has not performed.. Do I think he is the problem or the car? I think a weak car will convince a driver it is the driver that has lost form..

 

[pachyderm]

I want him to go to Sky and replace the lot of them except for Bernie.

Who are the announcers on Sky?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Danny Ric and Mark Webber would be a good combination on the punditry on Channel 4. He's too good for Sky.