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laptech

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I wish employers in this situation would not sugar coat things and tell it as is really is 'Daniel, your performances have been crap, we do not see things improving so are letting you go'.

For months you lot have been saying Daniel's performances have been crap/rubbish (use your own words) and that he needs to go. You've been short, sharp and direct to the point. Why can't the employer do that. Why must employers always have to protect the person they are firing? If they are rubbish, tell them they are rubbish. Don't go and give them a glowing PR statement when the reason they are leaving is because they are rubbish
 
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laptech said:
I wish employers in this situation would not sugar coat things and tell it as is really is 'Daniel, your performances have been crap, we do not see things improving so are letting you go'.

For months you lot have been saying Daniel's performances have been crap/rubbish (use your own words) and that he needs to go. You've been short, sharp and direct to the point. Why can't the employer do that. Why must employers always have to protect the person they are firing? If they are rubbish, tell them they are rubbish. Don't go and give them a glowing PR statement when the reason they are leaving is because they are rubbish
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I am sure those conversations have been held behind closed doors but Red Bull also know he's a well liked personality both in the paddock and with the overall F1 fanbase. Being too brutal publicly would not only harm Daniel's chances of getting a seat in another motorsport category, but would affect Red Bull's appeal to other drivers, especially now. His career has definitely nose-dived since 2018, but he's achieved more in F1 than many drivers ever do and I suppose they feel parting amicably is the professional and decent thing to do. He's been given more second chances than many drivers do, but has clearly given his all and thats all that can really be asked. I wish him the best of success elsewhere and I hope he recovers the love for racing he once had for the remainder of his career.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
I am sure those conversations have been held behind closed doors but Red Bull also know he's a well liked personality both in the paddock and with the overall F1 fanbase. Being too brutal publicly would not only harm Daniel's chances of getting a seat in another motorsport category, but would affect Red Bull's appeal to other drivers, especially now. His career has definitely nose-dived since 2018, but he's achieved more in F1 than many drivers ever do and I suppose they feel parting amicably is the professional and decent thing to do. He's been given more second chances than many drivers do, but has clearly given his all and thats all that can really be asked. I wish him the best of success elsewhere and I hope he recovers the love for racing he once had for the remainder of his career.
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Why should he be protected? His performances have been rubbish, you lot have said so yourselves and to some respect demanded that he be let go from the team to allow a better driver to take his place. If he is rubbish he should not be getting another drive. He is not there to win popularity contests, he is there to win for the team and he has not been doing that. Maybe it is about time employers reverted back to being publicly brutal with their assessment of an employee because it would then save the hassle of other employers taking the employee on and finding out they are actually rubbish. It would also change the mindset of employee's knowing that if they do not put in a good day's work everyday they stand the chance of being publicly outed by their ex-employer for being rubbish.

We need to stop mollycoddling people just because they might get upset if their feelings are hurt. Or in today's society, their mental health will suffer.
 
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laptech said:
Why should he be protected? His performances have been rubbish, you lot have said so yourselves and to some respect demanded that he be let go from the team to allow a better driver to take his place. If he is rubbish he should not be getting another drive. He is not there to win popularity contests, he is there to win for the team and he has not been doing that. Maybe it is about time employers reverted back to being publicly brutal with their assessment of an employee because it would then save the hassle of other employers taking the employee on and finding out they are actually rubbish. It would also change the mindset of employee's knowing that if they do not put in a good day's work everyday they stand the chance of being publicly outed by their ex-employer for being rubbish.

We need to stop mollycoddling people just because they might get upset if their feelings are hurt. Or in today's society, their mental health will suffer.
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If you left your employer and they put out a public post on LinkedIn declaring your mistakes and that they thought you were rubbish, something your next employer could see, would that be a fair measure in your opinion?

I think Danny Ric has had his time in F1, but he's still a good racing driver and I think he should be allowed to continue his career without it being jeopardised. Just my opinion.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
If you left your employer and they put out a public post on LinkedIn declaring your mistakes and that they thought you were rubbish, something your next employer could see, would that be a fair measure in your opinion?

I think Danny Ric has had his time in F1, but he's still a good racing driver and I think he should be allowed to continue his career without it being jeopardised. Just my opinion.
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Not just your opinion.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
If you left your employer and they put out a public post on LinkedIn declaring your mistakes and that they thought you were rubbish, something your next employer could see, would that be a fair measure in your opinion?

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If the employer did everything in it's power to get the full potential out of the employee but the employee was not able to because they just did not have it in them to get to the level the employer wanted or expected then yes it would be a fair measure in my opinion.

An employer should be fully informed about the person they are about to hire. If Daniel no longer has what it takes to make it in F1, his employer should make it abundantly clear to everyone. If other team principles do not know the full in's and out's of Daniel's time at RB, another principle might think of taking him on for the year because they have not been fully informed about how bad Daniel's performances has nose dived. The team gives Daniel a one year contract, 2 months in they realize that he actually cannot hack it in F1 anymore and they are now stuck with him for the year. Now if it was made publicly clear he was let go from RB because he was rubbish because he is rubbish due to not being able to cut it in F1 anymore, why should another team suffer because it was not made clear how bad he has nosedived.

Telling it publicly like it is would save the employer a huge amount of hassle. Yes it would hurt the employee but if they are rubbish then it's up to them to accept it and do something about it.
 
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On the flip side, if the fans can determine that Daniel is "rubbish" based on watching his race performances on television, one thinks a team principal could figure it out, as well, and does not need to be handed a ream full of telemetry data to prove it.
 
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On the flip side, if the fans can determine that Daniel is "rubbish" based on watching his race performances on television, one thinks a team principal could figure it out, as well, and does not need to be handed a ream full of telemetry data to prove it.
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You would have thought that but I reckon there are some of you in here can disprove that due to having watched the sport for so long have seen a team principle give a contract to a driver who you thought should never have been given the contract.
 
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laptech said:
You would have thought that but I reckon there are some of you in here can disprove that due to having watched the sport for so long have seen a team principle give a contract to a driver who you thought should never have been given the contract.
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Indeed. Which implies that performance is not always the primary, much less sole, criteria such decisions are made on.
 
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Daniel, like Fernando, has made several dubious career moves.
Unlike Fernando, Daniel does not have 2 WC and isn't currently a top ten driver in a tier 2 car. He's been flailing about for years. I'm honestly surprised he was given so much rope. At this point he is all hat and no cowboy.
 
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Harry Haller said:
Daniel, like Fernando, has made several dubious career moves.
Unlike Fernando, Daniel does not have 2 WC and isn't currently a top ten driver in a tier 2 car. He's been flailing about for years. I'm honestly surprised he was given so much rope. At this point he is all hat and no cowboy.
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As much as I like Danny I agree...
 
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CWallace said:
On the flip side, if the fans can determine that Daniel is "rubbish" based on watching his race performances on television, one thinks a team principal could figure it out, as well, and does not need to be handed a ream full of telemetry data to prove it.
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Using a Data Driven Methodology is useful when you’re trying to depersonalize the situation. That’s been my experience anyway. Probably a miscalculation in this event.
 
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laptech said:
I wish employers in this situation would not sugar coat things and tell it as is really is 'Daniel, your performances have been crap, we do not see things improving so are letting you go'.

For months you lot have been saying Daniel's performances have been crap/rubbish (use your own words) and that he needs to go. You've been short, sharp and direct to the point. Why can't the employer do that. Why must employers always have to protect the person they are firing? If they are rubbish, tell them they are rubbish. Don't go and give them a glowing PR statement when the reason they are leaving is because they are rubbish
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Most people can make up their mind. Under British Law a 'reference' has to be fair and accurate, so whilst we may view it like that, it actually depends on what kind of measures were in his contract and lots more details. It is just not worth it to get caught out in a situation where relationships are parting anyway.

Besides, it is a very British thing to do, always be polite in public and smile, yet meanwhile rather backstabbing when you aren't in the room, or it is thought nobody can hear you.
 
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Funny story: I just realized that espn is using the Sky Sports broadcast lol.

Soooo... I already knew who their announcing/broadcast team was ... aahhh


Did I mention I'm elderly?
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I'm glad Channel 4 use their own team. As for being elderly, the best way to work that out is who is the first World Champion you remember watching?
For me it was Nelson Piquet. Does that make me old or young?
 
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I'm glad Channel 4 use their own team. As for being elderly, the best way to work that out is who is the first World Champion you remember watching?
For me it was Nelson Piquet. Does that make me old or young?
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I didn't really get into F1 until my first job which was in an electronic device manufacturer. I always kept myself to myself at work but I kept hearing some people in the company canteen talking about F1, the drivers and the cars. The car's had always interested me from a young age. The Lotus Player One special was the car that got me watching the sport. I remember seeing it on Saturday morning BBC1 Grandstand which was a sports program that would show a range of sports. From then on F1 cars always caught my imagination but never the sport as a whole until the days in the company canteen. A couple of chats over the weeks led to a group of us having a tiny wager as to who would win the title. I liked the look of the Williams car so went with Nigel Mansell :). I followed the sport quite vigorously until the domination of Michael Schumacher. I got bored of the sport then and now whilst I still occasionally follow what's going on, I no longer have the passion for the sport that I once had.

This is what started off my enjoyment of F1. John Player Specials that my parents bought me as Christmas presents when as a child in the 70's. Amazing that I have them and in the very good condition that they are :)

They look the same size in the pics but they are not. The first pic is of a small JP Special. It is a 1969 Corgi Whizzwheel. The second one is much larger, almost 1:18 scale but not quite. Again it's Corgi and made in the early to mid 70's. I found them whilst going through some storage boxes.

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The annoying thing is that back in the mid to late 2000's I visited the Brooklands museum and in one of the buildings was an original JP Special. I wanted to take a picture of it but no camera's, mobile phones or video recording equipment was allowed. Not sure if the car is still there now.
 
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