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2025 Apple TV 4K: All the Rumors So Far

Wrylachlan2 said:
The difference is that when Apple kept those old chips around TSMC was still using the node they were on. N3B is going to be entirely retired in favor of N3E. Apple isn’t going to keep an entire node going just for an Apple TV chip.
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Would that not mean any devices using them would be retired as well, eliminating teh model of selling older phones as lower cost options?
 
I haven’t seen any mention of supporting HiRez Apple Music audio resolutions 24/96 and 24/192.

Current models I believe are only 24/48, which is inadequate for a device that is plugged into home theaters and high-end audio gear.

Thoughts?
 
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jlc1978 said:
Would that not mean any devices using them would be retired as well, eliminating teh model of selling older phones as lower cost options?
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The only model with the N3B chip (A17 Pro) is the iPhone 15 Pro. Apple never keeps past year Pro models in the lineup - it’s only the regular iPhones that stick around and this year’s regular iPhone uses the A16 on N4.
 
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AppleHeadPhx said:
How about an Apple TV with an M1? 😁
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I know this is tongue in cheek but I’m not sure it’s that outlandish a suggestion. Apple shoves the M1 into an iPad Air that they sell for $600 with a touchscreen, battery, camera, etc. Apple could likely bring an M1 Apple TV in somewhere around $300.

It wouldn’t make any sense to do it unless they have critical mass of games to make it worthwhile. But it’s not outrageous to imagine a higher powered SKU if their latest push on gaming is successful. Not that I have a lot of hope in that regard but…
 
Wrylachlan2 said:
I know this is tongue in cheek but I’m not sure it’s that outlandish a suggestion. Apple shoves the M1 into an iPad Air that they sell for $600 with a touchscreen, battery, camera, etc. Apple could likely bring an M1 Apple TV in somewhere around $300.
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I think it would only make sense if they can bring it in for under $200. That keeps it low enough to be a step up from the existing line so as to get the casual gamer market and build a user base that could attract developers.

The question is does a console focused ATV require an M or will a high powered A suffice?
 
britflix said:
Since I purchased an Amazon Firestick, I never use my ATV. The remote is such a mess, I can’t be bothered to even pick it up.
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The Firestick is complete garbage. The UI feels like streaming things was an afterthought with the primary function being advertising. It's also laggy. But if having a worse experience is working for you, that's great.
 
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npmacuser5 said:
My Apple TV’s no regrets.
The reality for Apple. Their sound focus music. Very little interest in home theatre output sound. Leaving that for others. Apple TV sound output very limited. On the music side, good product offerings. Everything from room filling to ear filling sound devices. Plus integrate with other music systems via AirPlay and Bluetooth. I do not see Apple home theater systems ever. Unless Sonos or Bose become part of Apple. Very little chance of that.
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Why would one need home theatre equipment from Apple? I've been using the AppleTV streamer ever since they came out. Just goes into my Denon Audio Visual Receiver and is switched with the outputs, and that takes care of 9.2.4 speakers. Apple would never do that, Sonos doesn't do that either, besides it isn't a wireless system anyway. Bose, you got to be kidding, aren't you?
 
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npmacuser5 said:
My Apple TV’s no regrets.
The reality for Apple. Their sound focus music. Very little interest in home theatre output sound. Leaving that for others. Apple TV sound output very limited. On the music side, good product offerings. Everything from room filling to ear filling sound devices. Plus integrate with other music systems via AirPlay and Bluetooth. I do not see Apple home theater systems ever. Unless Sonos or Bose become part of Apple. Very little chance of that.
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I think the thing that makes Apple successful is they like to keep things simple. Getting into the home theater business with tons of required different parts to buy seems to go against their creed. You are not going to get a consumer to upgrade their stereo system year in and out like a phone. Probably why the Apple TV set will never happen. So that's a losing proposition for Apple right there. Not to mention their mall stores would never be able to handle all that.
Besides there's a home audio company called "McIntosh" and that would certainly make things confusing. LOL!!!
 
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g0estoeleven said:
I haven’t seen any mention of supporting HiRez Apple Music audio resolutions 24/96 and 24/192.

Current models I believe are only 24/48, which is inadequate for a device that is plugged into home theaters and high-end audio gear.

Thoughts?
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THIS!

Apple's introduction of high res audio has been a disaster. No product in their lineup makes meaningful use of high res audio. An Apple TV with support for 24/192 through optical out (I don't wanna have TV on just for playing music) and no resampling and I would buy instantly.
 
Get the A17 chip in it and push it as a gaming device, toss in a resident evil trial/demo and a voucher for money off a gamepad.
 
Would love to see Apple partner with AAA game publishers to bring them to the ATV so that gamers could view the ATV as a potential dedicated gaming device.

Alternatively,
  1. Apple could acquire Nintendo
  2. Refactor the back catalogue to Swift
  3. Enable iPhone, iPad, ATV and Apple devices (laptop/desktop) to run the same version of the game (Apple silicon dependent)
  4. Charge per title or enable a similar Game Pass equivalent through Apple Arcade
This approach could potentially disrupt both the PC and Console gaming markets where:
  1. Apple asset themselves as one of the top three gaming consoles (Sony, Microsoft and Apple/Nintendo)
  2. PC based platforms (Steam/Epic) may see a slight decline if Mac gaming had an uptick in user base
(Yes - there will always be diehard modders, PC master race gamers etc that will not be swayed. However this acquisition approach could be an easy way to expand Apple's gaming catalogue and serve as an additional potential selling point next year with the Vision Pro and their subsequent models. Anyone for Mario Kart in VR?)
 
coolfactor said:
So tell us? We're not mind readers. 🤔
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get rid of the refresh rate while switching between apps and starting a show for starters. so annoying. and i'd rather not disable the frame rate setting to stop this from happening
 
stocklen said:
Strange thing is this.

The Apple TV is, for me, hands down the best streaming box on the market.

When the latest version launched a year back.... it was seen as ludicrously overpowered and more than capable of 4K streaming etc.

So, as much as I like to see devices upgraded...... what exactly can they do with the AppleTV? TV formats haven't changed so theres no need for a faster processor.
Who cares about the form factor. Its already a tiny black box - we need it smaller?

My point is... a 2024 Apple TV? really? why? Surely this is the one device they make that could reasonably be left for a few years without clamouring for what is essentially a meaningless upgrade.
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I agree with you. Maybe if it is 8k, it would be worth the upgrade for some people. Or if the interface was updated to the point where a newer processor would provide a smoother experience. Wifi standards are also not important to me as the current has no issue at all streaming 4k.
 
mxtd30 said:
get rid of the refresh rate while switching between apps and starting a show for starters. so annoying. and i'd rather not disable the frame rate setting to stop this from happening
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What do you mean? The ability to display in the native source frame rate is what made me get a Apple TV in the first place. It is an awesome feature for smooth playback. But if you don't like that you can switch it off in the settings.
 
Apple need to go "back to the future" and add optical audio output. I tried the dumb HomePod speaker as a dedicated device for the AppleTV but it just wanted to seek out music rather than be dedicated to the AppleTV. Optical audio rather than just AirPlay 2 would open up the range of sound bars to offer a better sound experience.
 
blaureiter said:
Apple need to go "back to the future" and add optical audio output. I tried the dumb HomePod speaker as a dedicated device for the AppleTV but it just wanted to seek out music rather than be dedicated to the AppleTV. Optical audio rather than just AirPlay 2 would open up the range of sound bars to offer a better sound experience.
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Why not just use the HDMI output? I have been doing that for years with my Denon Audio Visual Receiver…
 
Hdmi and power supply cable if you want to travel with it. With the dongles you need to use USB to power them anyway I believe. I always thought that was kind of a small bummer. Neat if it could just be powered off the HDMI port itself. Always wondered can the dongles be plugged into a switchbox?
But other than that, the newest model is really tiny.
 
I only want two things from a future Apple TV, both of which could be simple software update features:
1) Proper multi-user support where you select the user on startup, and where parental controls and available content apply differently to each individual user
2) Resolution of the issue with Netflix that means their content does not appear in the aggregated menus

Google TV already offers both of these, yet an Apple TV costs more for a more problematic experience.
 
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