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2600xt?

Here are some more CoH benchmarks.

iMac 24"/2.8/4GB
Windows XP SP2 with all updates, incl. DirectX 9.0c
All drivers from Boot Camp 1.4 beta
CoH version 1.71

Using "Automatic" settings it selected:
1280x768 (wide)
Shaders: high
Model: high
Antialiasing: none
Textures: high
Shadows: low
Reflections: high
Post Processing: on
Buildings: high
Physics: med
Trees: med
Terrain: med
FX fidelity: high
FX density: high
Object scarring: on
model detail: 5th mark on the scale

Performace test results (min/avg/max) = 8.8/51.3/63.0
 
Alright before I go to bed, some interesting benchies on Oblivion.

With most settings on low or medium, I was able to get 55 FPS average indoors. And about 35 average outside.

Keep in mind this is with the mods "Low Poly Grass" and "Operation Optimization" which I recommend to everyone. It increases your FPS in Oblivion by a CONSIDERABLE amount and has little to no effect on the graphics.

I didn't have FRAPs running during BF2 but I played for about an hour and half with all settings cranked and AA off and did great, didn't miss a step framerate wise. So BF2 and 2142 (since it is better optimized than BF2) should both run fine on this iMac maxed out.
 
MXM - Interchangeble?

I've been watching this thread with interested- I'm still not sure whether I'm ready to jump yet on a new iMac, but the video card debate sure is interesting.

Some thoughts.

1) It now appears that all Macs are using an MXM based video card. Are they interchangeable? Who will be the first brave soul to try swapping a 7600GT and R2600? Will it work? Will they fit? This would make for some interesting benchmarks...
This could open up some interesting possibilities down the road as Apple updates the video options- would it be possible to get a newer replacement card (from authorized dealers/repair shop?) and update your older iMac's video?

2) What will the OpenGL/driver performance be like in Leopard when it comes out? (It would also be interesting to see some benchmarks with the current developer builds- does that have newer or older ATI drivers than 10.4.10?) With more emphasis on multicore and GPU offloading, as well as a more efficient kernel, Leopard may be able to better utilize these types of cards..

3) Even with poor game performance scores with the current Mac drivers, it looks like some of the OpenGL/core image benchmarks are quite good compared to the 7600GT-- this could be interesting as Apple keeps offloading functions to the GPU.
 
snourse said:
I've been watching this thread with interested- I'm still not sure whether I'm ready to jump yet on a new iMac, but the video card debate sure is interesting.

Some thoughts.

1) It now appears that all Macs are using an MXM based video card. Are they interchangeable? Who will be the first brave soul to try swapping a 7600GT and R2600? Will it work? Will they fit? This would make for some interesting benchmarks...
This could open up some interesting possibilities down the road as Apple updates the video options- would it be possible to get a newer replacement card (from authorized dealers/repair shop?) and update your older iMac's video?
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Apple uses a MXM card for their iMac 24" but the vBios makes it incompatible with mainstream MXM cards
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per here.
2) What will the OpenGL/driver performance be like in Leopard when it comes out? (It would also be interesting to see some benchmarks with the current developer builds- does that have newer or older ATI drivers than 10.4.10?) With more emphasis on multicore and GPU offloading, as well as a more efficient kernel, Leopard may be able to better utilize these types of cards..
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Modern GPU's are going closer to GPGPU's. I mean ATI's HD series includes HDMI with the actual audio channel onboard (not that Apple includes it). If I understand Leopard correctly it will be using OpenGL 2.0, the new cards should be OGL2.1 compliant.
3) Even with poor game performance scores with the current Mac drivers, it looks like some of the OpenGL/core image benchmarks are quite good compared to the 7600GT-- this could be interesting as Apple keeps offloading functions to the GPU.
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The ATI cards are good benchmarkers. If Apple were to actually let ATI write drivers you guys would see great gains every month.
 
Apple MXM- compatible with Apple MXM

diamond.g said:
per here.

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I'm assuming Apple will continue to use Apple BIOS-- Apple MXM cards should work in Apple machines. The question-- if they actually work (form is not too different, MXM bus remains compatible, etc..) will end users be able to get them? If you have a 2007 iMac, would you be able to order a replacement card from whatever is in the 2008 iMac to upgrade your machine? I suspect Apple makes it very hard/costly for authorized shops to do this, but ya never know. Could be a gray market at some point...
 
snourse said:
I'm assuming Apple will continue to use Apple BIOS-- Apple MXM cards should work in Apple machines. The question-- if they actually work (form is not too different, MXM bus remains compatible, etc..) will end users be able to get them? If you have a 2007 iMac, would you be able to order a replacement card from whatever is in the 2008 iMac to upgrade your machine? I suspect Apple makes it very hard/costly for authorized shops to do this, but ya never know. Could be a gray market at some point...
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I am going to say no, we wont get them. If we do get them they will cost a ton of money. Have you seen how much the CPU upgrades cost? Almost half the cost of a new computer in some cases.
 
I just want to thank all the new mid-2007 iMac owners who are taking the time to post their benchmarks and game fps info for the rest of us..

it helps.. it really does..

I take what you folks have to say with more weight than what is published on a review site.
 
barefeats benchmarks updated, added Quake results...

INSIGHT: The "mature" Windows drivers indeed produced faster frame rates on both Macs, though the older Mac with the GeForce 7600 remained faster. Hopefully we will see the Mac OS X Radeon X2000 drivers optimized in the near future to match the Windows XP Pro performance, even if the Radeon 2600 Pro can't "catch" the CTO GeForce 7600 GT.
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http://barefeats.com/imacal2.html
 
Oblivion Benchmarks, 1650x1080, all settings maxed, HDR, no AA

Average of 25 FPS just running around outside fighting stuff, highest FPS was 40, lowest was 14. Very pleasantly surprised indeed. I'm sure the two performance are helping out tremendously but I must say all my worries have been put to rest, and I was one of the biggest advocates of putting a BTO 8600 GT in this sucker, very nice results.

If anyone is still skeptical or wants to know what the game will look like feel free to message me and I'll send you a gameplay video.

EDIT: BTO 8600 GT****, BTO 6800 GT would be an interesting move by Apple indeed...
 
Just wanted to chime in as well to say my Windows XP via Bootcamp is recognizing my card as 2600 XT.

I tried to install 3dmark06 to run a benchmark but it crashes my iMac during the initial scanning of my computer. I've tried multiple times.

I tried installing WoW...but it says my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements for CPU speed??

I've updated all the windows xp updates and ati 2600 series driver.

Installing CoH right now and downloading AoE3 demo to help get some type of benchmark. Let's hope these work?

Running the New iMac 2.4ghz 4GB RAM 24". WinXP is showing that I have only 2.98 GB RAM.

efstuck
 
efstuck said:
Just wanted to chime in as well to say my Windows XP via Bootcamp is recognizing my card as 2600 XT.

I tried to install 3dmark06 to run a benchmark but it crashes my iMac during the initial scanning of my computer. I've tried multiple times.

I tried installing WoW...but it says my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements for CPU speed??

I've updated all the windows xp updates and ati 2600 series driver.

Installing CoH right now and downloading AoE3 demo to help get some type of benchmark. Let's hope these work?

Running the New iMac 2.4ghz 4GB RAM 24". WinXP is showing that I have only 2.98 GB RAM.

efstuck
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No idea why your getting a crash and it says you don't meet the minimal requirements thats very odd. Windows XP is 32bit and a 32bit CPU can only see 4GB of memory, that includes other memory then just ram so about 3GB of ram is the cap. You would have to install a 64bit version of windows to see any more then that but Boot Camp dose not have 64bit windows drivers yet.
 
Durmortec said:
Oblivion Benchmarks, 1650x1080, all settings maxed, HDR, no AA

Average of 25 FPS just running around outside fighting stuff, highest FPS was 40, lowest was 14. Very pleasantly surprised indeed. I'm sure the two performance are helping out tremendously but I must say all my worries have been put to rest, and I was one of the biggest advocates of putting a BTO 6800 GT in this sucker, very nice results.

If anyone is still skeptical or wants to know what the game will look like feel free to message me and I'll send you a gameplay video.
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Very impressive. Thanks for the effort.
 
May as well post this here since this is the best way I found to do it. http://www.dropshots.com/Durmortec

I'll probably upload one more vid in the next 5 minutes.

Also, it appears when recording with FRAPs there seems to be a drop of about 5-10 FPS which I'm guessing is normal for that application, most of the action you see here is running around around 15-18 FPS while without fraps on it's about 22-30 on average.
 
No idea why your getting a crash and it says you don't meet the minimal requirements thats very odd. Windows XP is 32bit and a 32bit CPU can only see 4GB of memory, that includes other memory then just ram so about 3GB of ram is the cap. You would have to install a 64bit version of windows to see any more then that but Boot Camp dose not have 64bit windows drivers yet.
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Yes, I find it quite odd myself. I just installed CoH and ran that fine. Thanks for the ram info, cloud!

Here's my benchmark for CoH.

iMac 2.4, 4gb ram 24"
WinXP with SP2 and all updates.
2600 driver v. 8.390.0.0
CoH 1.71

1920x1200 (Widescreen)

Shader Quality : High
Model Quality : High
AA: None
Texture Detail: High
Shadows: High
Reflections: High
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: High
Tree Quality: High
Terrain Detail : High
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: Max

Average FPS : 24.1
Max FPS : 49.0
Min FPS : 8.0


Automatic Settings benchmark - differences from above settings in bold.

1920x1200 widescreen

Shader Quality : High
Model Quality : High
AA: None
Texture Detail: High
Shadows: Low
Reflections: High
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: Medium
Tree Quality: Medium
Terrain Detail : Medium
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: Middle/Halfway point of the bar

Average FPS : 30.5
Max FPS : 56.1
Min FPS : 10.2


Hope these help. I'd love to contribute a 3dmark06 benchmark if it would gosh darn work ><.

efstuck
 
Durmortec said:
May as well post this here since this is the best way I found to do it. http://www.dropshots.com/Durmortec

I'll probably upload one more vid in the next 5 minutes.

Also, it appears when recording with FRAPs there seems to be a drop of about 5-10 FPS which I'm guessing is normal for that application, most of the action you see here is running around around 15-18 FPS while without fraps on it's about 22-30 on average.
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Yea with fraps it look rather bad :p, but i guess it will be just fine with medium settings and no fraps !
 
efstuck said:
Just wanted to chime in as well to say my Windows XP via Bootcamp is recognizing my card as 2600 XT.

I tried to install 3dmark06 to run a benchmark but it crashes my iMac during the initial scanning of my computer. I've tried multiple times.

I tried installing WoW...but it says my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements for CPU speed??

I've updated all the windows xp updates and ati 2600 series driver.

Installing CoH right now and downloading AoE3 demo to help get some type of benchmark. Let's hope these work?

Running the New iMac 2.4ghz 4GB RAM 24". WinXP is showing that I have only 2.98 GB RAM.

efstuck
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WoW in OS X or Windows? If the processor is idling it'll clock down and report a much slower clock speed.

efstuck said:
Yes, I find it quite odd myself. I just installed CoH and ran that fine. Thanks for the ram info, cloud!

Here's my benchmark for CoH.

iMac 2.4, 4gb ram 24"
WinXP with SP2 and all updates.
2600 driver v. 8.390.0.0
CoH 1.71

1920x1200 (Widescreen)

Shader Quality : High
Model Quality : High
AA: None
Texture Detail: High
Shadows: High
Reflections: High
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: High
Tree Quality: High
Terrain Detail : High
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: Max

Average FPS : 24.1
Max FPS : 49.0
Min FPS : 8.0


Automatic Settings benchmark - differences from above settings in bold.

1920x1200 widescreen

Shader Quality : High
Model Quality : High
AA: None
Texture Detail: High
Shadows: Low
Reflections: High
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: Medium
Tree Quality: Medium
Terrain Detail : Medium
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: Middle/Halfway point of the bar

Average FPS : 30.5
Max FPS : 56.1
Min FPS : 10.2


Hope these help. I'd love to contribute a 3dmark06 benchmark if it would gosh darn work ><.

efstuck
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That's not too bad. Any clue what the clock speed on the card was? Can you try 1680 x 1050 as well?

In scenes of intense action I've seen the game go to a slide show then back up. This is even after getting results similar to yours in the performance test.
 
That's not too bad. Any clue what the clock speed on the card was? Can you try 1680 x 1050 as well?

In scenes of intense action I've seen the game go to a slide show then back up. This is even after getting results similar to yours in the performance test.
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How do i find out what my clock speed is?

On my old PC 2.67ghz p4, 2gb ram and geforce 6800 GS/XT during the performance test when the plane gets shot down, that was always a slide show for me. I can actually see the whole scene unfold on the iMac altho the fps drops.

Yep, i'll give it a try in a bit...installing WoW now. Didn't nag me about my CPU speed this time. Also ran AoE3 demo, but I do not know how to find out my FPS. It ran fine though...although 'fine' is not what people here are looking for. ;)

it was wow on winxp eldor.

efstuck
 
efstuck said:
How do i find out what my clock speed is?

On my old PC 2.67ghz p4, 2gb ram and geforce 6800 GS/XT during the performance test when the plane gets shot down, that was always a slide show for me. I can actually see the whole scene unfold on the iMac altho the fps drops.
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Yeah that plane scene in the test always is a slide show.

I believe that ATI Tray Tools will show the clock speed along with a host of other features.

If it doesn't work you might have to go into safe mode to uninstall it.
 
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