I strongly advise all the people who mention how high is the price for the base model, to visit other big workstation ventors and customize a machine with the exact specs as the base Mac Pro. Please do it, it will just take 5 minutes. You will be surprised on how competitive the price of the nMP is. Nevertheless I'm not implying that 3k for a PC isn't a lot of money, to begin with. But this is a workstation that a professional will use in order to make money!
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$2999 for entry model: what do you think?
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Quad core $2,999 = £1,232
Quad Core in the UK cost = £2,499
I make that over double the price here in the UK
Apple just has to be kidding, don't they ?
please man, the new mac pro is so tiny, that you can hang carry from the states. just book a flight to texas or oregon where they have no sale tax, you can also do lot of clothes shopping and bring back new mac pro. The saving pays for the air ticket.
you people have no imagination.
i don't think so. it's aimed at professionals in the cinematic / music / hollywood industry ...
Three grand is way too expensive for an entry model. I'm not so sure Apple's going to do well with the Pro..
very few pro who use the old mac pro would prefer the new mac pro. Unless they are in fashion design.
But if rumors about cheaper Imacs are true maybe next year or in the 2015
with Imac decrease in price we could see a Mac Pro lowering too?
In the meanwhile I'm just curious in what Barefeats will find about Gpus
and also with I-fixit telling us if Gpu are technically replaceable.
Has nothing to do with the fact that its an investment...its about how much bang for your buck you get. If one could build an equally powerful machine with half the cost of a MacPro than i guess you could consider it a wise decision investment wise. One could argue the fact that Apple has a much more consistent/stable system but in all honesty this argue is no longer justifiable. I know people whom never had problems with a computer running windows and vice versa. Not pro windows or pro Apple, to me my desktop is a tool and i simply would like the best tool for the best price wether its Apple or Windows
A good article that makes a very good case for the entry level price when compared to a comparable PC:
http://dylanreeve.com/computers/2013/building-the-mac-pro.html
http://dylanreeve.com/computers/2013/building-the-mac-pro.html
I think the concept of cheaper iMacs is for emerging markets (China). Although we saw what all the speculation of a cheaper iPhone resulted in... something just $100 less (15.4% cheaper) than the usual price point (direct form Apple with no contract that is).
Mannn i wish it had a 290x instead of them fire butt cards then maybe the idiot in me would of bought one but i am not going to game on some workstation cards
What's the difference between the FirePro's (7000, 9000, 300, 600...) and the normal gaming graphic cards? Are the FirePros so much better performancewise, or is the higher price tag just for the name?
Which leads to my main question: could one theoretically play games on the new Mac Pro? And by play I mean max resolution, max settings for the newest stuff at least two years ahead.
I remember having read a while ago that, while one can edit a movie on a Mac Pro splendidly, one cannot expect a gaming/3D-rendering performance like that of a gaming computer.
Which leads to my main question: could one theoretically play games on the new Mac Pro? And by play I mean max resolution, max settings for the newest stuff at least two years ahead.
I remember having read a while ago that, while one can edit a movie on a Mac Pro splendidly, one cannot expect a gaming/3D-rendering performance like that of a gaming computer.
And the irony is that the original Mac, while nice, wasn't much of a bargain either. At least it had unique software. And it had a keyboard and mouse .
I paid pretty close to 3k for my old Mac Pro that's 7 years old, still working, when you add my extra RAM and HDs. I already enjoy using a Drobo for my HDs but I don't think I need all the power this machine gives, even for the one that's 3k. I do like ripping all my DVDs so this may make the process faster and I have always hated how heavy my current MacPro is. Knowing myself, I think I'll get one for the holidays. My home was broken this year and the kid (16 year old) snatched my 27" iMac and took off on foot but dropped it and ran when my neighbor went after him. The machine still works but the frame is banged up and I can't use the disc drive and the edge glass broke off. I figure I can hide this one out of sight like my mini hidden on back of my TV.
Over the years I have collected plenty of keyboards and mice and even have an extra monitor.
Over the years I have collected plenty of keyboards and mice and even have an extra monitor.
His calculations are completely off so you won't be paying for any air tickets with any savings. Already been discussed.
$2999 without sales tax = £1854.90 without VAT. The real exchange rate that you will get at the bank will put it closer to £1900 without tax. Then you have to add the US sales tax and UK customs, unless you try to sneak it back in, which would only make sense if you're buying it from your personal funds.
£2400 with VAT is £2000 without VAT.
Is Apple really ripping people off in the UK? Are you really going to be able to fly to the US with your "savings"? I wish people would actually double check their facts before posting inane nonsense. It's painful to read this site sometimes.
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The "but my machine makes money" argument only goes so far. That's because lots of machines could make you that same money in roughly the same speed.
For example, the Dell T3600 with the E5-1620 (sandy bridge equivalent of the quad core that's going to be used int he MacPro, once Dell updates to Ivy Bridge I wouldn't expect much of a price bump), plus the 2x AMD W5000s is <$2000, at $1819 (and lets forget for second that many people can't use 2 GPUs anyway). HP has updated to E5-1600 v2s, and similar prices to dell, but I'll let you check those out specifically. Now, you only get 4GB of RAM and a 250GB HDD, but it will be far cheaper to throw those out and buy upgrades from 3rd party vendors. And even though the MacPro comes with 12GB of RAM, many users will be getting rid of that for an upgrade anyway. Then you have the data storage issue. The Dell has room for 4 internal HDD/SSDs. So you could obtain a total storage solution up to 16TBs for only the price of the drives (around $150/4TBs now). Do that on a MacPro and you need the thunderbolt RAID systems for well over $1K.
So Dell has $1K base price advantage, and probably another $1K total cost of fully configured machine advantage over the MacPro. So, as the professional trying to run a business, you have justify that extra ~$1-2K in cost, depending on storage needs, for the Mac Pro. You could just tell yourself, "eh, this machine will make many more times that amount of money over its lifetime" and you might be right, but so will the other one, unless you're heavily wedded to OSX in software costs. Which means you're giving up $1-2K you could be spending somewhere else, making this an opportunity cost issue. If you're a photographer, would you rather buy a new lens or replace/upgrade an old base, or chose the Mac over the Dell? Which one helps you make more money? Maybe you're a research lab, and an extra $1-2K equates to more experiments. All these choices are made on the margin and Apple is giving up a sizable margin, which will have plenty of people thinking about alternatives.
I have a feeling this price is set as high as it is because Apple knows there are fanboys out that that will pay this much for the brand new design. I'd bet we see a $500 price drop by this time next year, maybe much sooner.
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Quad core $2,999 = £1,232
Quad Core in the UK cost = £2,499
I make that over double the price here in the UK
Apple just has to be kidding, don't they ?
Where do you get your exchange rates? $2,999 = £1,854
Still £650 less than the asking price in the UK though, rip off Yankees.
Even allowing for 20% VAT we are at least £250 worse off.
That's what the Apple marketing is trying to sell, but I wonder how much they actually believe it. The new Mac Pro offers virtually nothing to bigger shops that they don't have access to already (unless you count TB2). These places already have an infrastructure in place. Why would they want to change that for minimal to no gain?
If they're really targeting creative professionals, then it's most likely the individual, small business, boutique shops, etc.
Where do you get your exchange rates? $2,999 = £1,854
Still £650 less than the asking price in the UK though, rip off Yankees.
Please consider the whole picture. $2999 is without the US sales tax
$2999 = £1854.90 . The real exchange rate that you will get at the bank will put it closer to £1900 without tax. Then you have to add the US sales tax and UK customs, unless you try to sneak it back in, which would only make sense if you're buying it from your personal funds.
£2400 with VAT is £2000 without VAT. So you're paying about £100 more. Wow. What a rip off!
I'm not doubting for a second your work and workflow. I've never ever recorded anything close to orchestra so I can only imagine that dedicated hardware is irreplaceable in that instance. From my experience DAWs that I use such as Live and Logic seem to perform better on a single CPU due to their inefficiency to utilize more.
I think it's aimed at nobody, it makes so little sense .
I imagine a group of interns who were given the MP project, just because someone upstairs figured it should be continued, without wasting more valuable resources on it .
The entire computer industry still needs to adapt to USB 3.0 , TB isn't even on the map for mainstream users .
Same with GPU centric apps - multithreading still is king for pushing performance .
Without either, the nMP is a doorstop .
Lower iMac prices would just take it back to where it used to be. "Lower" is likely indicative of $100. A very slim chance of $200. From 2007-2012 the entry iMac price was $1,199. In 2012 it jumped to $1,299. In 2013, still stuck on not undoing that blip.
More likely Apple is going to use the lowering to stretch the iMac into a wider price zone. At the upper BTO end prices wouldn't change much. What Apple is missing is the far more price sensitive buyers at the bottom end of the zone.
Why do you need iFixit? These are as replaceable as the current Mac Pro's CPU/RAM daughter card. The photographs clearly indicate that these are two boards plugged into and secured into the Mac Pro. There is no way that is some monolithic motherboard with three different "prongs" running in parallel.
Replaceable is whether or ease of taking it apart. That is independent of whether there is going to be some 3rd party market spring up with parts replacements.
This is one of the best things I have ever read. Do you know how many cores a GPU has and what it is capable of at "multithreading"? Do you have any idea what you're talking about at all?
I am trying hard to understand what your point is, but I am failing. The nMP has USB 3 and loads more "multithreading" than you would dare to imagine.
oh no dun pay tax in USA in texas and dun pay taxes in UK. Go to the green door not the red door. hang carry back to UK.