That is the best outcome I expect, ASi GPGPUs for compute/render tasks, with no display output; but whenever I refer to MPX, it is more about the cable-free power delivery than anything else...
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That is the best outcome I expect, ASi GPGPUs for compute/render tasks, with no display output; but whenever I refer to MPX, it is more about the cable-free power delivery than anything else...
If Apple doesn't sell the GPGPU in the main Mac Pro BTO configuration then they don't have to eliminate the wires. It is the end users choise to add 'messy' wires to their system , not Apple's. For example the J2i HDD bracket. Will Apple sell it to you already installed from the factory? No. Ta-da no wires that Apple has to look at.
Can the user in stall it later? Yes. Apple's 'hate' for wires isn't sooooooooooo great they won't let the user do it later.
Your thinking is really tightly coupled to Apple has to build the board. Because no other vendor can compose an Apple package logic board Apple has to do it themselves. And then will 'have to' sell it on the BTO page and therefore have to look at the wires in a 'from Apple' context.
Once the internal Thunderbolt controllers and Display Controllers are tossed out the window along with Unified memory, what 'huge traction' does Apple GPU cores have? Yes there are some code synergies with Apple tile cache dynamics.
The problem is with the addressible market. The solution is useles for eGPUs. It creates a Mac Pro only solution. That restricts the solution to as few Macs as possible. That Mac ecosystem value add to that is what?
Mac Pro is turning out to be DOA. Apple’s worst most expensive product.
Better off buying Mac Studio
Better off buying Mac Studio
Hi All, so long everybody.
ASi Mac Pro....
Of course I'm still at the anti-Gurman side, but this time happens its really easier to guess the ASi MP 8,1
There are no Technical Challenge for Apple to deliver an ASi Quad M2 Max Mac Pro, IMHO Gurman moved to clickbait business model.
RAM:, Until now all Mac with M1/M2 chips use Soldered Ram, indeed dont need RCDs chips to interface with DDR5 Dimms, if apple just add this component the M2 Max is not restricted to "in die" ram (actually not in Die, as are pcb soldered) as the RCD enable it CXL-PHY jedec-std DDR5 connections, but there is an catch, the Mac Pro likely to be very picky about DDR5 modules, and a minimum 2 channel by each M2 Max on board shall be populated (from 4) thus the Mac Pro likely will require 4 DIMM for M2 Ultra, and 8 DIMM for M2 Extreme all populated with same kind, size, cas, etc dimm modules, and likely upto 16 DIMM could connect, 16x48GB =768GB using consumer gradea DDR5 DIMM, with commercially available (and crazy expensive) 256GB server modules the Mac Pro could be configured with upto 4TB of ram, but likely you'll need to sell your Lambo to pay for it likely north 80K$.
PCIe expansion: the Fabric Interconnect Chip (aka Ultra Fusion) maybe provided for an PHY/PCIe interface which Apple May configure without restrictions, but I believe it will provide only 2 PCIe5 x16 slots and 2 or 3 PCIe4 X16. or 2 PCIe5x8 + 1 PCIe 4x16, PCIe5 slots enabled to install Compute Accelerators including GPUs, M2 Extreme/Ultra fabric "ultrafussion" likely to be a much more elaborated solution than one one M1 Ultras, not just because apple needs to plug PCIe peripherals also it requires bus multiplexing and 4 way traffic arbitration, almost trivial for m1 ultra but quite more complex for M2 extreme but nothing new, And, Nvidia, Intel,Ampere both have developed even 8 ways dilution
Discreet GPU: M1/M2 mac cant connect external GPU using thunderbolt even booting Linux due Apple (I think as safety meausre) restricted Thunderbolt PCIe what is known as DMA or direct memmory access, what enables an peripheral to write data back to system RAM without occuping the CPU, it also saves integration with PHY/Fabric, but nothing Apple Engineers not aware how to enable on STD PCIe devices (if I own an M2 Max MBP i'll try now to test if it recognizes TB3-linked eGPU).
About the Software, Mac OS and Metal never removed support for multiple vendor GPUs as long those GPUs load the respective platform compatible Drivers, so from the respective Driver Update the Mac Pro should be capable to use AMD CDNA2/RDNA2 even CDNA3-RDNA3 GPUs as the monster Instinct MI100 or the productive (and more powerful than M2's GPUs) RX 7900 XTX, maybe even later intel could join to the party with their ARC gpus, since Intel isn't banned at apple neither they ban apple as nVidia, don't expect Apple to enable eGpu, neither legacy MXP modules, while likely the MP8,1 to retain MP7,1 cheese grater chassis, it's MPX modules likely limited to 2x PCIe 5 x16 and 2x PCIe5/4 x8 and an PCIe 4 x16.
My predictions:
Early February/March Apple should Release the M2/M2 Pro iMac 24 along showcase the VR/AR glasses, then at WWDC after M2 Max/Ultra Mac Strudio Introduction should introduce the M2 Ultra/Extremme Mac Pro, sharing the iconic CheeseGrater chassis (even with 400$ wheels), with upto 4TB DDR5 DIM ram (or at least 768gb), 16TB NVME, single/dual AMD GPU optional, starting somwhrere near 6000$ for base M2 Ultra+32gb DDR5 (rx 8GB) DIMMS +1TB and close 12000$ for M2 Extremme Models starting with 64GB DDR5 ECC (8x8gb) DIMMS, none including dGPU, and options based on newest radeon GPUs priced as current ones, old MPX likely modules not compatible with the new Mac Pro as it likely to ditch the x16 PCIe extension it requires, but other MPX modules not requiring the PCIe extension likley compatible from Day 0 as HDD cages, even dont discard an Afterburner successor, based on ASIC instead FPGAs indeed ridiculous powerful but at least 20x the current card, or using half power on an 10x more powerful accelerator.
I've been tiped (this is just speculation, take with tons of sea salt), along the Afterburner or instead, apple may introduce an monster TPU/NPU accelerator card, which will bring the Mac Pro the crown as the most powerful AI training workstation, even this card maybe a good alternative for Radeon GPUs.
All this comes from my own Chrystal Ball special, I'm no one at Apple neither in touch with anyone at Cupertino.
ASi Mac Pro....
Of course I'm still at the anti-Gurman side, but this time happens its really easier to guess the ASi MP 8,1
There are no Technical Challenge for Apple to deliver an ASi Quad M2 Max Mac Pro, IMHO Gurman moved to clickbait business model.
RAM:, Until now all Mac with M1/M2 chips use Soldered Ram, indeed dont need RCDs chips to interface with DDR5 Dimms, if apple just add this component the M2 Max is not restricted to "in die" ram (actually not in Die, as are pcb soldered) as the RCD enable it CXL-PHY jedec-std DDR5 connections, but there is an catch, the Mac Pro likely to be very picky about DDR5 modules, and a minimum 2 channel by each M2 Max on board shall be populated (from 4) thus the Mac Pro likely will require 4 DIMM for M2 Ultra, and 8 DIMM for M2 Extreme all populated with same kind, size, cas, etc dimm modules, and likely upto 16 DIMM could connect, 16x48GB =768GB using consumer gradea DDR5 DIMM, with commercially available (and crazy expensive) 256GB server modules the Mac Pro could be configured with upto 4TB of ram, but likely you'll need to sell your Lambo to pay for it likely north 80K$.
PCIe expansion: the Fabric Interconnect Chip (aka Ultra Fusion) maybe provided for an PHY/PCIe interface which Apple May configure without restrictions, but I believe it will provide only 2 PCIe5 x16 slots and 2 or 3 PCIe4 X16. or 2 PCIe5x8 + 1 PCIe 4x16, PCIe5 slots enabled to install Compute Accelerators including GPUs, M2 Extreme/Ultra fabric "ultrafussion" likely to be a much more elaborated solution than one one M1 Ultras, not just because apple needs to plug PCIe peripherals also it requires bus multiplexing and 4 way traffic arbitration, almost trivial for m1 ultra but quite more complex for M2 extreme but nothing new, And, Nvidia, Intel,Ampere both have developed even 8 ways dilution
Discreet GPU: M1/M2 mac cant connect external GPU using thunderbolt even booting Linux due Apple (I think as safety meausre) restricted Thunderbolt PCIe what is known as DMA or direct memmory access, what enables an peripheral to write data back to system RAM without occuping the CPU, it also saves integration with PHY/Fabric, but nothing Apple Engineers not aware how to enable on STD PCIe devices (if I own an M2 Max MBP i'll try now to test if it recognizes TB3-linked eGPU).
About the Software, Mac OS and Metal never removed support for multiple vendor GPUs as long those GPUs load the respective platform compatible Drivers, so from the respective Driver Update the Mac Pro should be capable to use AMD CDNA2/RDNA2 even CDNA3-RDNA3 GPUs as the monster Instinct MI100 or the productive (and more powerful than M2's GPUs) RX 7900 XTX, maybe even later intel could join to the party with their ARC gpus, since Intel isn't banned at apple neither they ban apple as nVidia, don't expect Apple to enable eGpu, neither legacy MXP modules, while likely the MP8,1 to retain MP7,1 cheese grater chassis, it's MPX modules likely limited to 2x PCIe 5 x16 and 2x PCIe5/4 x8 and an PCIe 4 x16.
My predictions:
Early February/March Apple should Release the M2/M2 Pro iMac 24 along showcase the VR/AR glasses, then at WWDC after M2 Max/Ultra Mac Strudio Introduction should introduce the M2 Ultra/Extremme Mac Pro, sharing the iconic CheeseGrater chassis (even with 400$ wheels), with upto 4TB DDR5 DIM ram (or at least 768gb), 16TB NVME, single/dual AMD GPU optional, starting somwhrere near 6000$ for base M2 Ultra+32gb DDR5 (rx 8GB) DIMMS +1TB and close 12000$ for M2 Extremme Models starting with 64GB DDR5 ECC (8x8gb) DIMMS, none including dGPU, and options based on newest radeon GPUs priced as current ones, old MPX likely modules not compatible with the new Mac Pro as it likely to ditch the x16 PCIe extension it requires, but other MPX modules not requiring the PCIe extension likley compatible from Day 0 as HDD cages, even dont discard an Afterburner successor, based on ASIC instead FPGAs indeed ridiculous powerful but at least 20x the current card, or using half power on an 10x more powerful accelerator.
I've been tiped (this is just speculation, take with tons of sea salt), along the Afterburner or instead, apple may introduce an monster TPU/NPU accelerator card, which will bring the Mac Pro the crown as the most powerful AI training workstation, even this card maybe a good alternative for Radeon GPUs.
All this comes from my own Chrystal Ball special, I'm no one at Apple neither in touch with anyone at Cupertino.
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Hey @Amethyst, throw us a bone, we are desperate!
“The upcoming Mac Pro is very similar in functionality to the Mac Studio — and adds the M2 Ultra chip rather than the M1 Ultra. So it wouldn't make sense for Apple to offer an M2 Ultra Mac Studio and M2 Ultra Mac Pro at the same time. It's more likely that Apple either never updates the Mac Studio or holds off until the M3 or M4 generation.”
This provides yet more confirmation that the AS Mac Pro will essentially be a Mac Studio in a bigger case with no PCIe slots, no upgradable RAM, and no modularity. Now it seems that the Ultra version of the chip that was supposed to make the machine worthwhile may be on the chopping block as well. What a joke Apple is playing on us!
www.macrumors.com
This provides yet more confirmation that the AS Mac Pro will essentially be a Mac Studio in a bigger case with no PCIe slots, no upgradable RAM, and no modularity. Now it seems that the Ultra version of the chip that was supposed to make the machine worthwhile may be on the chopping block as well. What a joke Apple is playing on us!
Apple May Not Launch Updated Mac Studio With M2 Ultra Chip Due to Similarity With Upcoming Mac Pro
A new version of the Mac Studio with the "M2 Ultra" chip is unlikely to arrive in the near future, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. ...
www.macrumors.com
Trying not to be a microblogger again, I would say we are done with Apple workstations. Why would they build a workstation for us?
I really don't know if they could not just achieve it, like if they were incompetent to do it. Or if they just didn't find it prosperous enough for them.
I really don't know if they could not just achieve it, like if they were incompetent to do it. Or if they just didn't find it prosperous enough for them.
It may have the lanes for one pci-e slot (maybe X4 in X16) or (x8 in X16) and slots like mac pro 2019 for storage“The upcoming Mac Pro is very similar in functionality to the Mac Studio — and adds the M2 Ultra chip rather than the M1 Ultra. So it wouldn't make sense for Apple to offer an M2 Ultra Mac Studio and M2 Ultra Mac Pro at the same time. It's more likely that Apple either never updates the Mac Studio or holds off until the M3 or M4 generation.”
This provides yet more confirmation that the AS Mac Pro will essentially be a Mac Studio in a bigger case with no PCIe slots, no upgradable RAM, and no modularity. Now it seems that the Ultra version of the chip that was supposed to make the machine worthwhile may be on the chopping block as well. What a joke Apple is playing on us!
Apple May Not Launch Updated Mac Studio With M2 Ultra Chip Due to Similarity With Upcoming Mac Pro
A new version of the Mac Studio with the "M2 Ultra" chip is unlikely to arrive in the near future, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. ...
This post reeks of a broke bitter narcissistic who loves hating on people that are WILDLY more successful than him.
Next time you question someone’s profession, attach your W2 to the post so we can all see how swimmingly your life is going.
Also, if you don’t like Gurman’s work, then find somewhere else to get your tech news. I mean how silly do you feel that I have to break this down for you?
Next time you hit the send button on a post, ask yourself this very serious question, “will this post make me sound like a simpleton?” If there’s a smidge of hesitation on your end, log off for the night and go get a few games of dungeons and dragons in before bed.
Have a take, but don’t suck. Thanks.
Wow, that hit a nerve. You know that not everyone views other people's achievements as a competition with their own, right?
What is his profession, if he is not peddling rumours? It's a simple question. It's literally the most important question one can ask about someone "reporting" on a company, because it goes to the heart of how trustworthy their reportage is.
How will this person earn an income, if they are cut off from access for not toeing a company line?
Since there was an implied ask... My profession is that I'm an Artist - I have a degree in Fine Art from my country's oldest art school, I've been grant funded by Federal, State & Local governments, my work is held in both private and public institutional collections, and I carry over $20million in public liability insurance for my practice.
Art is the profession in which I am qualified, and amongst my hobbies, I comment on tech things here.
And the question remains, what is Gurman's profession?
I don't consume Gurman's work, so I don't feel silly at all. I do feel a bit embarrassed for you making a fool of yourself leaping to defend a rumour-monger.
You are certainly an authority on sounding like a simpleton. I think we can all see that.
Because people whose hobby is effectively maths and accounting, combined with the skills of a drama performer are... simpletons?
You literally created a whole new account, just to post this? That's adorable. Is that you Mark? I literally made a video short of an actual sock puppet around 22 years ago, and it did a more convincing job of being a real, independent human being.
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It appears Gurman has created an account ladies and gents!
The one and only (oh Merciful God ).
Hi @AppleClutch
I'm so happy seeing you to sweat blood on lack of Apple insider news, you deserve it, please make you a favor, don't try to guess on future Apple hardware just based on previous knowledge, as you are not aware on what's the industry capabilities (and apple's own) is capable for.
I'm no one here, but I never burn my ships to Apple suppliers, and indeed I'm quite confident to predict the Mac pro I detailed, based on materials suplied, the new Mac pro includes PCIe5 x16 and x8 slots and a number of DDR5 slots (not sure if DIMM or SO-DIMM or custom), I've no idea for sure on the GPU issue, but Apple is developing an PCIe5 add-on card presumed to be some kind of accelerator not a GPU not an FPGA.
And seems there will be at least two very different M2-Utra , name it M2-Ultra(s) and m2-ulltra(p) besides the M2-extremme .
The M2-Ultra(s) likely based on two M2-pro instead m2-max as the upcoming Mac pro Will be build along multiple m2-max sharing same 4 way fabric.
See you, Mark, congratulations to Jon Proser new apple's leak King.(fwiw).
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“The upcoming Mac Pro is very similar in ....generation.”
This provides yet more confirmation that the AS Mac Pro will essentially be a Mac Studio in a bigger case with no PCIe slots, no upgradable RAM, and no modularity. Now it seems that the Ultra version of the chip that was supposed to make the machine worthwhile may be on the chopping block as well. What a joke Apple is playing on us!
Apple May Not Launch Updated Mac Studio With M2 Ultra Chip Due to Similarity With Upcoming Mac Pro
A new version of the Mac Studio with the "M2 Ultra" chip is unlikely to arrive in the near future, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. ...
Don't bleed on Gurman's speculations, Apple triple down on blocking hardware leaks as never before, IMHO best cues you can have are from supplier kind and volume, given Mac pro historic low volume it makes it even harder, the few guess I have just points the Apple is developing something with x16 PCIe5 and some kind of discreet RAM. And no news yet on updated Cheese grater chasis so the new Mac pro likely to share it even PSU with MP7,1 but possible they developed a new one and kept it secret as it's relative low volume won't rise alerts.
Remember as by Mark "guessing ' the M2-pro/max MBP shouldn't be shipping now.
Biased, ARM soc are now server-hpc grade stuff, look at Ampere Altra or nVidia Grace both arm aarch64 not precisely aimed at kids, as for expansion I don't give a thing on Gurman words.
I'm only concerned about ECC Ram as so far no cues on Apple adopting it on Apple Silicon (should be std across all ASi-Pro lines including MBP studio and MP).
Is it me or did the site remove downvotes option ? If yes, talk about timing.
Two things about this particular statement...
1 - The spin here makes it sound like playing D&D is a bad thing...
2 - You have obviously never played D&D, because a single game can last forever...
I mean very like MP 7,1 excluding the special double MPX slots (32x).
I'd expect 2x PCIe5 at x16 1/2 PCIe4 at x16 and 1/2 PCIe4/5 at x8. No open edge x8, no x16/x8
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What kind of question is it, though?
What is a baker, if he is not baking bread? What is a mechanic, if he's not fixing things? A teacher, if he's not teaching?
I don't think Gurman's title is "chief rumor peddler". I'm guessing his profession is 'journalist'. If the quality of the work he is hired to do is deemed lacking by his higher-ups, I'm guessing he has to find other journalistic duties.
And no, there is absolutely no requirement at all to be a journalist today—in a world run by the eager to please.
To me, it's pretty obvious how the prominent rumor dealers operate. They are obviously connected somehow. The quality of their connections and the judgment calls of the rumor dealer will dictate how reliable they are.
Someone like Gurman will try to offer as juicy information as possible while trying to err on the 'being right' side. Doesn't always work, though.
What are his latest predictions? 7.1 case, AS Ultra with fix RAM and PCIe slots for cards? I don't think he has said that Apple will offer a GPU/Accelerator, and he hasn't said they won't. just that there will be slots for "storage, networking and graphics" (I interpret this to just be a general statement that there will be some open slots).
I guess we'll see how far off he is. Seems very close to the OP's first post here, just scaled back to 'Ultra'.
M2 Max has provisions for not One but: Two ultrafusion.
Maybe serial stackable in 1,2,3...4? "Sockets" plus a mega I/o phy.
So the m2 Mac pro cpu complex likely to look like this:
I'm leaving it here while slowly I leave the room...
Maybe serial stackable in 1,2,3...4? "Sockets" plus a mega I/o phy.
So the m2 Mac pro cpu complex likely to look like this:
Code:
SSD «» [PHY I/O] «» (mux) PCIe5 ... 4, usb4
(UF+)
Ram (RCD) [M2 Max] (RCD) Ram
(UF+)
Ram (RCD) [M2 Max] (RCD) Ram
(UF+)
Ram (RCD) [M2 Max] (RCD) Ram
(UF+)
Ram (RCD) [M2 Max] (RCD) RamI'm leaving it here while slowly I leave the room...
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Actually that ain't predictions, he's just looking at rearview mirror, like driving a Big Truck you "predicts" the road ahead by the road you leave behind, its 'safe', doesn't implies SOC uArch integration background, etc
Basically he concedes he's a moron at Apple as maybe everyone here (except Tim Cook which is registered under... Sorry I'm just kidding)
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The fact the the OP has gone pretty much dead silent on this thread is lmaost as laughable as everyone lapping it like a cat with creams.
What's more concerning is no one has still not called the original post out as a joke. 7 months further down the line and still nothing, that's a blooming long corner.
No one has a real clue, could you derive something from what we have seen with the Studio and the progression of the Mini - possibly.
Well played to the OP though.
What's more concerning is no one has still not called the original post out as a joke. 7 months further down the line and still nothing, that's a blooming long corner.
No one has a real clue, could you derive something from what we have seen with the Studio and the progression of the Mini - possibly.
Well played to the OP though.