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elfamosisimoJON

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Yo, @Amethyst, what's the word on the street?
You got the scoop on the Mac Pro, it's so elite,
We all wanna know what's up with the new desig,
So come on, spill the beans, it's time to shine.

@Amethyst, come on and share the news,
Don't keep us waiting, we've got the blues,
We wanna know what the Mac Pro can do,
So spill the tea, we're counting on you.

We know you're in the know, you're our inside source,
So don't be shy, don't stay on the course,
Share the details, let us in on the scoop,
And we'll be forever grateful, that's the truth.

@Amethyst , come on and share the news,
Don't keep us waiting, we've got the blues,
We wanna know what the Mac Pro can do,
So spill the tea, we're counting on you!

Yo!
Im also waiting for another post from Amethyst.

Im so tired of Mago filling this thread pretending he/she is a leaker.
 

innerproduct

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it bizarre how bad the desktop situation is atm. When we had intel and amd in the imac it was at least updated all the time. Now we have a m1 imac (why the hell no m2 last year?) and a the studio that is no way on par with current gpus from amd (lets not mention nv….)
Right now there should be a m2 base imac 24 and a studio with an m2 max and ultra. Basic decency. And oc the mac pro should be a lot more powerful and flexible. Easy to do right. wtf is the problem?
 

Rnd-chars

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Right now there should be a m2 base imac 24 and a studio with an m2 max and ultra. Basic decency. And oc the mac pro should be a lot more powerful and flexible. Easy to do right. wtf is the problem?

I suspect it has to do with cost, readiness and demand.

An M2 iMac is certainly feasible, but is there enough demand to warrant designing and building an M2 variant? What about when you factor in the M3’s release this year? If they upgraded now, they might see an iMac sales spike but then a lower M3 spike when it was released. I suspect Apple would rather save the M2 BVT costs and then do a massive M3 launch later this year with the iPads and Macs (how they love their super toes)

The Studio is in a similar space. They could drop in an M2 Max now, but (assuming that) the M2 Ultra isn’t ready then it makes for a lousy customer experience. Plus, there are some scenarios where the M2 Max performs faster than the Ultra, making it an ambiguous sales pitch.

As for the Mac Pro, I think they’ve been struggling to define and deliver an undeniable top of market product. When the M1 was released, it was an unambiguous success (lest you really longed for Boot Camp). Power was low, fan noise non existent, enormous battery life. But those are all clear KPIs for a mobile scenario. What are they for the pickup truck that is the Mac Pro? It’s arguably ALL THE THINGS — CPU, GPU, RAM, and peripheral expandability, three of which we haven’t seen in an Apple Silicon product yet.

For Apple to launch a Mac Pro that doesn’t get dinged by any customer persona, they need a product that exceeds feature parity with the previous iteration while also not opening up a path that diverts from their initial strategy. That doesn’t sound easy.
 
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avro707

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*psst* they're all pretending. ;)

Let's both of us start up channels on Youtube and link them to Twitter with some scoop breaking announcement, put an image of a Mac Pro 7,1 then a blacked out hidden computer shape on the other side - sure fire way to get traffic. ;) Oh and pose for the camera making a shocked screaming looking face expression for even more cringe factor.
 

mattspace

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Same for Film and TV production. I think a lot of folks don't realise the extent to which Unreal is outside gaming. Unreal is where films are being made - be it eliminating greenscreens with live projected / LED screen backgrounds and VR trackers on cameras for in-camera compositing, or just making entire mo-cap animated features in-engine.

At the risk of it being a tad gauche to reply to ones own posts - this VR based camera tracking is now an inexpensive off-the-shelf turnkey product:

 
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leman

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Read this and repeat it like Jewish praying the Shema every morning: THE MAC PRO IS NOT A GAMING MACHINE, don't expect apple even consider bringing It HW Ray Tracing before mainstream Macs.if such things ever happens likely an accident and not something planned.

Raytracing is a priority of Apple because of production rendering, not gaming. This doesn’t preclude RT from arriving on phones first of course, but that would be because of chip design constraints and roadmaps. From the business perspective, hardware RT on a Mac Pro would be a killer feature, as it would allow GPU-driven production renders on highly complex scenes with excellent performance.
 

Mago

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  • Mac14,14 Mac 14,15 / ASi Mac Pro (assuming mba15 is mac14,13 and there's no Mac studio on M2 ASi)
  • N5P process / A15 cores
  • M2 Ultra / Dual M2 Ultra
  • Trashcan ||
  • WWDC 2023 \o/


Amended, Mac mini m2-pro is Mac14,13

"Mac14,8, Mac14,13, and Mac14,14"

So, assuming MBA15 is Mac14,8, the Trashcan ][ are Mac 14,13 and Mac 14,14.

I Have Spoken
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Mago

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Mac15,1 & Mac15,2 could be the M3 Ultra & M3 Extreme Mac Pro...
😂

Chances close to 0, unless Apple achieved full chiplet redesign as AMD Zen4 .

What are the chances for 14,13 14,14 to be a Mac studio? Even the moron Gurman agrees there won't be an M2 Mac studio.

The few guys crying for m3 Mac Pro are those crying for RT (assuming RT is coming to m3, which is speculation).

If RT debuts on the Mac Pro will be enabled on discreet GPU (apple is developing one or something alike, but AMD CDNA3 still on the cards and Metal 3 foresee mixed GPU vendors on apple silicon), but still no reliable leak about, but I'm absolutely confident on a quad m2-max Mac Pro is coming -even before wwdc-.

The next Mac Pro is on M2 ultra or m2 extreme or dual m2 ultra.
 
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Mago

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No M3 max until 2024.



And more cues on the ASi Mac Pro while may not be an cylinder it won't be PCIe-upgradeable neither have PCIe slots as the Big cheese grater.

You can expect either a trashcan II, a cube (or more alike stacked Mac studios) or a mini cheese grater, only it may have some provisions for massive internal storage (32-64 TB) not sata, unlikely m.2.
 

spaz8

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I'm just tired of waiting, I don't think I am even willing to wait till December for this thing to ship. If an M2 Studio comes out instead I think it will be too tempting. Certainly not willing to wait in the dark for an unknown capabilities/design/form factor machine. If there is not a release at WWDC they better spill the beans on some amazing machine worth waiting another 8+ months for that ONLY M3 can support.
 
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mode11

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If an M2 Studio comes out instead I think it will be too tempting.
Quite, so it will likely be held back until sometime after the Mac Pro is released. Doubly so if the M2 Ultra is now needed for the Mac Pro - then the Studio may not get updated at all until M3.

If there is not a release at WWDC they better spill the beans on some amazing machine worth waiting another 8+ months for that ONLY M3 can support.
We can dream, but knowing Apple they'll probably just say nothing.
 

Mago

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^ are you speculating that if the ASi Mac Pro comes out in 2023 its M2, and can only support PCIe if its M3?
M2 or M3 nothing to do with PCIe support, it's Apple decision which seems point out to some trashcan formula re-edit (as Mac studio is), so the Mac Pro likely to be just two Mac studio inside a case.
 

prefuse07

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M2 or M3 nothing to do with PCIe support, it's Apple decision which seems point out to some trashcan formula re-edit (as Mac studio is), so the Mac Pro likely to be just two Mac studio inside a case.

So what happened to reusing the 7,1 case then?

Why do you keep mentioning the Trashcan? Just because they filed those patents some time ago?
 
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Mago

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If an M2 Studio comes out instead I think it will be too tempting. Certainly not willing to wait in the dark for an unknown
Mac studio M1 Ultra is sold until June I don't think apple in hurry about updating it, it's demand pressure lowered from 3 month backlog (as those considering it for M1 ultra wisely wait to see if they can afford the ASi Mac Pro).
 

Mago

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If there is not a release at WWDC they better spill the beans on some amazing machine worth waiting another 8+ months for that ONLY M3 can support.
If Ray Tracing is important for you likely you should had to wait quite long until M3 Mac studio or m4 Mac pro is released or cross fingers on the Mac Pro supporting AMD rdna3/cdna3 GPUs with how RT.

Some Mac Pro is coming and likely before WWDC, WWDC23 will be too busy with XR Glasses as with all new watchOS plus normal progressive ecosystem, and AI likely to be prominent too.
 
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