MP All Models 40 core ASI with PCI-E slot is around the corner!!

[mode11]

What to expect at WWDC 2023, according to Ars Technica:

What to expect at WWDC 2023: Reality Pro, iOS 17, and new MacBooks

Apple is set to announce its first new major platform in years.

arstechnica.com

"Apple is also arguably due to update the 24-inch iMac, and of course, there's the long-in-limbo Mac Pro. We haven't heard specific credible rumors about that possibility at WWDC, but the timing lines up, so you never know."

 

[goMac]

IMPI is not MDM
and an server with no IMPI = fail
an server that need's an other full system hooked directy to it to reload / wipe / restore / install the OS / firmware = super fail
an sever that does not have at min an setup to let your boot disk be at least raid 1 with hotswap bays = Ultimate fail
Now maybe if apple had an small base disk for boot / os data. (not the 512GB - 1TB) that apple systems start at. then maybe but still need that IMPI that can do the DFU stuff.

At risk of wading into a "how good is Apple's LOM"....

Some Apple Silicon Macs do support LOM - my M1 Mac mini with 10 gigabit ethernet has LOM.

But - it's not IMPI. And I don't think it's as good as what stuff like the Xserve shipped with. And it has to be enabled through an MDM profile.

 

[NY Guitarist]

I fear there are some who see the rackmount variant of the 2019 Intel Mac Pro on the Apple website & automatically think Apple is back in the server business; the rackmount variant is mainly aimed at audio/video users who want to slap it in a remote equipment closet and move the noise out of the room they work in...?

Also pretty common in DIT carts, both on set in studio shoots, and mobile rigs for location.

 

[deconstruct60]

Also pretty common in DIT carts, both on set in studio shoots, and mobile rigs for location.

People can buy a $700-900 cart and the wheels are no extra charge.
Yeah, there are $3-4K carts ... which is what makes Apple's $400 wheels look 'sensible'.

 

[spaz8]

An M2 Studio is gonna be pretty compelling with 96-192 gb of ram to me if those are announced on Monday (WWDC). My MP 6,1 feels really long in the tooth. I think an upgraded M2 Studio Max as a daily driver and a Linux box from Exxact corp with a 4090 for ML is probably where my money is spent. Unless Apple makes some amazing promises/evidence as to why to hold out for another 6+ months for the ASi MP. Being able to plug a eGPU into the Studio or MP would be pretty great too.

 

[novagamer]

An M2 Studio is gonna be pretty compelling with 96-192 gb of ram to me if those are announced on Monday (WWDC). My MP 6,1 feels really long in the tooth. I think an upgraded M2 Studio Max as a daily driver and a Linux box from Exxact corp with a 4090 for ML is probably where my money is spent. Unless Apple makes some amazing promises/evidence as to why to hold out for another 6+ months for the ASi MP. Being able to plug a eGPU into the Studio or MP would be pretty great too.

They'd better address the coil whine with this one, then it will be pretty compelling.

I'm probably going to hold out til 2024 though unless we get a "blow-away" Mac Pro announcement. I think the Studio being upgraded to M2 Ultra makes sense, and waiting for M3 Mac Pro is a better option for Apple... but we'll see next week. Exciting times.

I want 128GB+ of RAM for the next computer I keep for years so this new Studio might be tempting... but I don't think I'll have much time to really leverage it until next year anyhow. If they have a base-spec Ultra at 96GB that might push me over the edge since it's enough to do most of what I want in the near-term.

 

[Boil]

If the following were to happen:

• M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Studios released WWDC 2023
• M3 Ultra / M3 Extreme Mac Pros previewed WWDC 2023 & released Fall 2023

It would be interesting to see if the Osborne Effect would affect new Mac Studio sales...?

 

[Adult80HD]

If the following were to happen:

• M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Studios released WWDC 2023
• M3 Ultra / M3 Extreme Mac Pros previewed WWDC 2023 & released Fall 2023

It would be interesting to see if the Osborne Effect would affect new Mac Studio sales...?

No. The hard-core Mac Pro buyer needs the expansion capabilities. Those that don't/didn't need it either have bought the M1 Studios or will buy an M2 Studio when they see the price on the M3-based Mac Pro. There seems to be a belief that somehow the Studio is a replacement for a Pro. I think the Studio fills a perfect niche that was filled in the past by either nothing or the iMac 27"/iMac Pro--both of which are no longer being made.

An M2 Studio will target those who haven't replaced their iMac or older higher-end Mac Mini. The bumps from the M1 to M2 are not all that great, it's just an iterative update; those with an M1 Studio won't (or shouldn't) find it to be a compelling upgrade. I say this as someone who did the 16" M1 Max MBP to 16" M2 Max MBP upgrade--I didn't expect a big bump in performance and I didn't get one--I only did it because I needed a new laptop for another staff member who got my "hand me down."

 

[novagamer]

If the following were to happen:

• M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Studios released WWDC 2023
• M3 Ultra / M3 Extreme Mac Pros previewed WWDC 2023 & released Fall 2023

It would be interesting to see if the Osborne Effect would affect new Mac Studio sales...?

Right, which is why I'm going to be gobsmacked if we get an M3 announcement out of nowhere next week. And doubly-so if it's some high-end variant as some have suggested. The confusing thing is that we have rumors of a Macbook Air replacement for the 13", if that happens it makes no sense to not include an M3, unless it's a die shrink of M2.

The most likely scenario IMO is we're going to get the 15" MBA M2, M2 Max/Ultra Studio, and Mac Pro tease possibly (that will be vague about specifics, because they won't want to pre-announce M3 features). I don't think there's any chance the MBA will get an M3 during the same launch of a Studio M2 Ultra, especially if there's RT Capability in the M3 – it would totally deflate sales.

Final predictions from me:

• M2 MBA 15", no update to 13" unless it is a die shrunk M2 for even better battery life (which the 15" may have, it could be the first "24-hour notebook" which would be an enormous marketing success).
• M2 Max Studio
• M2 Ultra Studio
• Headset huge focus with die-shrunk M2s (I think this is where the N3 manufacturing has been going)
• M3 next year, likely at its own "Pro Event" with M3 Macbook Pros and an M3 Mac Pro released near-simultaneously. Hopefully we won't have to wait for WWDC '24 for this. I do think the M3 transition won't follow the M1/M2 where MBA gets it first, given the amazing leap it's going to be I think they will try to target pros and have the MBP M3 Pro/Max take the lesser-versions of the M3. By that point they can be ready to ship the M3 Ultra/Extreme or whatever, and have the foundation in place with the new OS for any PCIe functionality for GPUs if they decide to go that route, or maybe they won't need to. Then Spring/Summer 2024 they can do an iPad & MBA revision with M3.

Can't wait to see who's right. I'm really looking forward to the event.

 

[sn1p3r845]

I think the Studio fills a perfect niche that was filled in the past by either nothing or the iMac 27"/iMac Pro--both of which are no longer being made.

Totally, I was 100% on team Mac Pro. My trash can needed to be replaced asap and the 7,1 wasn't a viable option. When it came out in 2019 the timing was bad for me, I had just switched to freelance and didn't have that much cash on hand so I opted for a refurb 2013 instead. When the Apple Silicon rumours started flying and the Mac Studio came out, I ordered it as soon as I could because it was the perfect fit. I'm just a video editor & motion graphics person so expansion isn't exactly a must have for me. I got the ultra with all the upgrades (except opted for the 4tb ssd) and I couldn't be happier. I think I've brought my studio to it's knees once or twice since release, and my export times for complicated premiere sequences with tons of dynamic links went from 14 hours to 2 hours.

If a new Mac Pro comes out this year, I can easily say I'm not interested. I'd be more interested in an updated apple display. I originally ordered three of the new Studio Displays with my computer but cancelled them after a bunch of poor reviews came out and bought a 96tb G-RAID Shuttle XL instead.

 

[deconstruct60]

If the following were to happen:

• M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Studios released WWDC 2023
• M3 Ultra / M3 Extreme Mac Pros previewed WWDC 2023 & released Fall 2023

It would be interesting to see if the Osborne Effect would affect new Mac Studio sales...?

If the M3 Ultra Mac Pro starts at $5999 or $6999 there will be a very large cap between the two. $2199 - $4999 (where the bulk of the MStudio really are) and where Mac Pro is. The impact upon the fringe upper BTO variants of the MStudio and the entry Mac Pro isn't actually what the Osborne Effect really is.

Throw on top 4-6 slots differential and it substantially a different product.


The problem for Apple though is that the single thread numbers for M3 Ultra/Extreme are likely the same as the M3 , M3 Pro , M3 Max so talking about those in detail would have a chilling impact across the line up. That would be closer to the Osborne Effect. 2013 Apple did a 'show in a glass case' look at the upcoming product. M3 with no numbers isn't going to make most folks happy. ( although would/could settle whether 3rd party compute accelerators would be let back in the outside the Apple BTO options.)

Apple has already got a "it isn't shipping any time soon" product on stage with the Xr headset. Don't really need another one.

 

[Joe The Dragon]

Apple has already got a "it isn't shipping any time soon" product on stage with the Xr headset. Don't really need another one.

but they also can't really say we ****ed up the pro market again.
even more so with them being late and saying that new mac pro is coming.

If the M3 Ultra Mac Pro starts at $5999 or $6999 there will be a very large cap between the two. $2199 - $4999 (where the bulk of the MStudio really are) and where Mac Pro is. The impact upon the fringe upper BTO variants of the MStudio and the entry Mac Pro isn't actually what the Osborne Effect really is.

Now maybe this is route?

the studio starts at the top mini level and the pro takes the spot of the high end studio?

mac pro at $2999+
studio at $1499-2499?
mini $599-$1299?

or maybe no more studio??
with the mini and studio becoming the same unit?
new $599-$2599
pro $2999+

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or may be the pro is now an half sized box only at an lower price point with the starting range of $1999-$2499?

 

[smulji]

G

or maybe no more studio??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664389724801302529

 

[DaveEcc]

Right, which is why I'm going to be gobsmacked if we get an M3 announcement out of nowhere next week. And doubly-so if it's some high-end variant as some have suggested.

Makes sense to me. They have limited yield of 3nm/M3 chips. Do they

a) Attempt to put them in your high-volume lowest-end low-margin products?
b) Attempt to put them in your low-volume high-end high-margin products which need new features the current chips don't offer (ie: slots).

 

[novagamer]

Makes sense to me. They have limited yield of 3nm/M3 chips. Do they

a) Attempt to put them in your high-volume lowest-end low-margin products?
b) Attempt to put them in your low-volume high-end high-margin products which need new features the current chips don't offer (ie: slots).

Yeah, possibly.

I think it will be c) they used N3 to produce "M2X (or Z)" on 3nm (which would be higher yield for a die-shrink vs. a whole new design) for battery life purposes (headset & maybe the MBAs). But it'll be interesting, I'd love to be shocked with a Mega M3, but given the near-confirmation of a Studio revision I doubt it. I just do not see Apple ever having overlapping Mac Studio and Mac Pro machines on the same chip, I think the intent all along was to leapfrog and delays / issues have messed-up their plans. If they do release an M2 Studio I hope they at least clock it higher this time.

Only a few days!

edit for comedy option d): Mac Studio gets rebranded Mac Pro

 

[HDFan]

The bumps from the M1 to M2 are not all that great, it's just an iterative update;

It might support WiFi 6E which is a significant upgrade.

 

[HDFan]

There are over 50 PCi-e cards that work with M1-M2 system right now.

Since there are no PCIe slots in current M1-M2 Macs .... ?

 

[AlphaCentauri]

Since there are no PCIe slots in current M1-M2 Macs .... ?

With external PCI to TB enclosure, of course.

 

[ericwn]

I have some info about next Mac Pro?? chips
- Total 40 cores, contains 32 P-Core and 8 E-Core.
- Total 128 GPU Core!!
- A sample board contains PCI-E slot but no ram slot (Doesn't know it exists on Production Mac Pro)
- Try to put 6900XT on that slot, its not working at all.
- Although it is in sample board, stability with macOS is great!!

Any day now!

 

[Mago]

Mac Studio will be XR' oficial compute accelerator booting an special target mode and using thunderbolt 4 and tb4/uwb wireless connection.

Can confirm as Gurman a New studio is coming on M2 max/ultra.

ASi Mac pro still not ruled out, a trashcan form factor still rumoured as well a dual m2 ultra on splitted logic boards around a thermal core, 256/512 gb max RAM, all soldered, only storage available for upgrades. (No PCIe expansion but Occulink still on the cards)

 

[Mago]

If the following were to happen:

• M2 Max / M2 Ultra Mac Studios released WWDC 2023
• M3 Ultra / M3 Extreme Mac Pros previewed WWDC 2023 & released Fall 2023

It would be interesting to see if the Osborne Effect would affect new Mac Studio sales...?

From what I've pooled ASi Mac Pro will be offered only as dual m2 ultra, no base single m2 ultra.

ASi Mac Pro's m2 ultra Will be slightly overclocked and LPDDR5, UltraFusion bridge to include support for external flexible high bandwidth fabric interconnect. Not as fast as UltraFusion but enough to match things like some nvidia nvlink.

 

[mattspace]

Mac Studio will be XR' oficial compute accelerator booting an special target mode and using thunderbolt 4 and tb4/uwb wireless connection.

...so a couple of weeks back in this very thread...

OK so as long as we're just making stuff up... The "developer edition" headset will be driven by a dedicated Mac Studio, that's running a stripped down version of (x)OS, and that's what "realityOS" is - the glasses won't have any embedded operating system themselves, it'll effectively be a Mac Studio turned into a graphics card. Any actual apps, or content etc will need to be run on a separate Mac.

The Apple Silicon Mac Pro will be a "story for another time" BUT the "one more thing" will be the equivalent of a Mac Studio on an MPX card that can be used to allow the 2019 Mac Pro to be the companion Mac.

This thread is just ouroborosing on itself 🤣

 

[Boil]

...256/512 gb max RAM...

...LPDDR5...

M2 Max supports up to 96GB of LPDDR5 RAM, so a "dual M2 Ultra" would support up to 384GB of LPDDR5 RAM, 512GB would be doable with LPDDR5X...?

 

[goMac]

Whelp the Mac Studio rumors are not a good sign for the Mac Pro at all.

Can you imagine Apple still selling the 2019 Intel Mac Pro post WWDC? Yikes.

I mean I know we just came off the 2013 being around for six years. But still.

Wonder if they'll just cut it without a Mac Pro announcement.

 

[AlphaCentauri]

What if Apple will call the best variant of new Mac Studio “Mac Pro” and call it a day? Scary thought 😫