7S next year? 8? What are your thoughts?

[MistrSynistr]

How come? Will the performance not hold up with the same design next year?

He's worried that that 1 guy he works with might possibly kinda sorta see the back of his phone.
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There are no credible rumors about this whatsoever. The Jet Black finish on the iPhone 7 is what materialized out of the "all glass" iPhone rumors. Many fail to realize that.

Also, nothing Apple has done indicates they have any interest in 1) a so-called edge-to-edge display, 2) ditching the home button.

It is funny the way people will interpret things any way they want to. They will use available information to fuel their preconceived notions.

Like this:


...that is one way to interpret the move to a solid state home button. Another way (the correct way that is not fueled by rumor) is to say: Apple just made the first major redesign to the Home Button in 10 editions of iPhone. They didn't do that this year just to completely ditch it next year. Apple doesn't waste R&D effort like that.

There is no good reason to believe that the 11th generation iPhone is anything other than the iPhone 7s.

That said...I do think next year will be a complete redesign

Both iPhones released in 2016 (iPhone SE and iPhone 7) are 3rd iteration/evolutions of core designs. They are fantastic phones, largely because Apple has had years to spend redesigning and perfecting these core designs. Look at iPhone 5 compared to iPhone SE. Look at iPhone 6 compared to 7. They achieved a lot over the years. But eventually, their own core design will become a limiting factor when they want to push forward with new ideas.

I think we'll see a new core design in 2017, that spans 4", 4.7" and 5.5" models (or maybe different sizes altogether). And I think that new core design will lead them forward through at least 3 iterations.
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Well your pulled out of the air theories don't mean anything. Most likely Jet Black is what was mistaken for the all glass iPhone that was whispered to be in the works.

neither does your rambling nonsense up above.

 

[RogerEast]

The Phone, in line with their dropping of the 'i' on recent products. Along with across the board Mac (formerly iMac), MacBook and Cloud streamlining.

Probably not, in all truth. iPhone is such a strong brand. I think it'll be an iPhone 8. If it ain't broke...

 

[petecee]

He's worried that that 1 guy he works with might possibly kinda sorta see the back of his phone.

Yeah that's 100% my reason for wanting a new design. Well done.

 

[TurboPGT!]

He's worried that that 1 guy he works with might possibly kinda sorta see the back of his phone.
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neither does your rambling nonsense up above.

Sorry to dispel your made up theories. If you actually read the "rambling nonsense" you'd see that it is nothing of the sort.

There is no reason to believe in the iPhone 8. When reliable reports start coming out of the real sources, then yes. Until then, the so-called no-source "rumors" have been nothing but fantasy created by the tech media...magically coincidentally matching up to the tech media's vision of a Samsung iPhone. Its a joke.

And yes, it is incredibly likely that earlier this year, someone mistook a look at a Jet Black prototype and thought it was a all-glass iPhone.

 

[Fried_Gold]

After buying the 6 Plus, and then the 6s Plus, I couldn't bring myself to pay all that cash (and more) again this year for what looks and feels so similar to what I'm using. For me the phone needs a new design. Thinner bezels would be a great start!

I chose the black 7, it looks way different compared to my gold 6 and space grey 6S Plus. The hidden antenna bands on the black models certainly help.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Also, nothing Apple has done indicates they have any interest in 1) a so-called edge-to-edge display, 2) ditching the home button.

False. Apple has filed a number of patents suggesting this.

 

[petecee]

I chose the black 7, it looks way different compared to my gold 6 and space grey 6S Plus. The hidden antenna bands on the black models certainly help.

The black is very sleek. Personally the antenna bands never bothered me as I've always used a case. Nice to see they're practically invisible on the black model though.

 

[TurboPGT!]

False. Apple has filed a number of patents suggesting this.

Meaningless. If patents are your basis, why are we not drudging up the thousands of other patents for other things that Apple looks into, but never materialize into a product?

The answer is because: this is what the tech media has decided has to come next. The tech media has decided the next logical evolution of the product has to be no bezels and no home button.

What the tech media cannot seem to comprehend is that Apple does not care what they think. At all. And time after time Apple does what they think is right, and tech media is left scratching their heads....and then about 4 hours later, they go back to their business of spreading their worthless opinions on what Apple has to do with their products to stay alive. Never true, but they have nothing else to do.

 

[Yaboze]

Based on the rumors and anniversary of the iPhone, I don't think we'll get a 7S. I think the 7 is a stepping stone to what we'll get. I'm not sure what it will be called, but it will be a big update with more haptics and waterproofing probably.

I also get the feeling with 2017 not being an "S" year, that 2018 will become the new "S" year.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Meaningless. If patents are your basis, why are we not drudging up the thousands of other patents for other things that Apple looks into, but never materialize into a product?

The answer is because: this is what the tech media has decided has to come next. The tech media has decided the next logical evolution of the product has to be no bezels and no home button.

What the tech media cannot seem to comprehend is that Apple does not care what they think. At all. And time after time Apple does what they think is right, and tech media is left scratching their heads....and then about 4 hours later, they go back to their business of spreading their worthless opinions on what Apple has to do with their products to stay alive. Never true, but they have nothing else to do.

It still disputes your assertion that Apple "has done nothing" to indicate an interest in having the home button as part of the screen.

 

[keysofanxiety]

Just to clarify -- I have no doubt Apple will eventually release a phone with an edge-to-edge display and home button built-into the display. The home button redesign in the 7 is a stepping stone in this. It's a logical eventuality.

I just don't think it'll be next year (7S), but 2018 instead.

 

[born2runak]

I am just hoping they don't release a "Pro"model that will have the best specs and design but be priced ridiculously high. I'm fine with Apple leaving the current lineup of phones- SE , 4.7 , plus . Introducing a "pro" model would be bad for consumers , but no doubt a win for Apple as people will no doubt buy it.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Just to clarify -- I have no doubt Apple will eventually release a phone with an edge-to-edge display and home button built-into the display. The home button redesign in the 7 is a stepping stone in this. It's a logical eventuality.

I just don't think it'll be next year (7S), but 2018 instead.

What makes you think it'll be 2018? Remember they've already broken history in opting for the same form factor as the 6/6+ series for the iPhone 7.

Apple is big on marketing and I'd think they're likely to make a big deal out of the 10th anniversary iPhone. Why use a 4 year old design for that?

 

[keysofanxiety]

What makes you think it'll be 2018? Remember they've already broken history in opting for the same form factor as the 6/6+ series for the iPhone 7.

Apple is big on marketing and I'd think they're likely to make a big deal out of the 10th anniversary iPhone. Why use a 4 year old design for that?

I'd disagree saying it's an identical form factor. I know, lack of headphone jack doesn't quite justify that, but it's water-resistant too. I just think they'll hold off and possibly make the 7S fully waterproofed (IP68), while continuing to test the brand-new form factor.

I know what you mean that Apple are big on marketing. They frequently celebrate milestones. But they rarely release products based on anniversaries. Possibly the only one I can think of was the TAM in '97.

I honestly think that the new form factor will shape iPhones for the next decade, so it's not going to be something they'll rush out lightly. Either way, Apple do have the reassurance of an 'S' cycle to fall back on if they feel the new factor needs more testing.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

I'd disagree saying it's an identical form factor. I know, lack of headphone jack doesn't quite justify that, but it's water-resistant too. I just think they'll hold off and possibly make the 7S fully waterproofed (IP68), while continuing to test the brand-new form factor.

I know what you mean that Apple are big on marketing. They frequently celebrate milestones. But they rarely release products based on anniversaries. Possibly the only one I can think of was the TAM in '97.

I honestly think that the new form factor will shape iPhones for the next decade, so it's not going to be something they'll rush out lightly. Either way, Apple do have the reassurance of an 'S' cycle to fall back on if they feel the new factor needs more testing.

It's hardly a brand new form factor. Water resistance is an internal improvement. It's basically a 6/6+ series form factor with the distracting antenna lines removed.

 

[keysofanxiety]

It's hardly a brand new form factor. Water resistance is an internal improvement. It's basically a 6/6+ series form factor with the distracting antenna lines removed.

Agreed in that it's hardly brand-new. But it's hardly identical either. People were saying the same about the 4S > 5 form.

We can debate this for days because it does come down to personal opinion. However based on the naming scheme, and the actual changes in the form factor, I think Apple consider this to be a new form factor; whether we do, or don't, frankly doesn't make a difference.

I just don't think they will suddenly drop their 'S' cycle and push the pipeline forward 1 year to release something completely different for their 10th anniversary... something that was designed to come 1 year later. When you say it out loud, that's more something Samsung would do. (IMO)

 

[firewire9000]

As long as Jony Ive introduce it, I will buy it.

 

[joeblow7777]

if they repeat the history then it will be a S year with improved internals and same overall design

Well they've already broken that pattern by having no redesign this year. Going a 4th year without one would be surprising to me.

 

[keysofanxiety]

There's a lot of debating whether the iPhone 7 is a redesign or not!

Granted, it's aesthetically the least different of any iPhone gen jump. But it's still a redesign. Have the Samsungs really changed that much in the last few gens?

 

[DrewDaHilp1]

if they repeat the history then it will be a S year with improved internals and same overall design

Four years of the same design? Doubtful. They got a lot of flak for not changing it much this year.

 

[joeblow7777]

There's a lot of debating whether the iPhone 7 is a redesign or not!

Granted, it's aesthetically the least different of any iPhone gen jump. But it's still a redesign. Have the Samsungs changed that much?

No, Samsung's phones haven't changed as much, but we're talking about Apple's pattern of redesign --> s-version --> redesign --> s-version which as persisted since the 3Gs. I can't agree with anyone saying that the 7 is a redesign, given that the camera bump is the only thing that keeps it from fitting in the same cases as the 6s and 6.

 

[TurboPGT!]

It still disputes your assertion that Apple "has done nothing" to indicate an interest in having the home button as part of the screen.

Fair enough, it disputes "no interest" in semantical terms.

Does not mean they have any actual intention of making it part of a shipping product. And that is the important distinction.

Hell, if we want to dig into Apple patents...I want to see the solar receptors under the glass as the means of power supplementation. They patented that years ago. Probably hoped to work it in to the iPhone 4 but the technology was just not ready.

The rumblings that Apple was ready to return to the glass front/back iPhone made me think they had finally perfected it, and we'd see it in that product. Imagine, a system of solar supplementation, that works like battery case, and continuously extends your battery life for hours, days or longer, depending on its ability and its exposure to natural light. It would be massive leap forward.
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No, Samsung's phones haven't changed as much, but we're talking about Apple's pattern of redesign --> s-version --> redesign --> s-version which as persisted since the 3Gs. I can't agree with anyone saying that the 7 is a redesign, given that the camera bump is the only thing that keeps it from fitting in the same cases as the 6s and 6.

The 7 is the 3rd iteration of a "core design". I don't care what they call it, and neither should you or anyone else. The iPhone SE is also a 3 iteration of a "core design". Does that mean its "just another iPhone 5, or 6?" No. Absolutely not. But it is indeed based on an existing core design. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Eventually, whether it is next year, or the year after, we'll see a new "core design" that sees many iterations for years after.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

8 is a lucky number in China. They need to penetrate the Chinese market much better than they have.

 

[JSway]

It doesn't matter, just want Apple to have the IUP fixed by then.

 

[joonyaboy]

I don't understand the uproar over designs not changing enough.

The 5 was just a longer, thinner 4/4s. I prefer evolution over revolution personally.

I love the 6/6S so the 7 is just that more refined. I would be perfectly happy with a 7S