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** A Mac fan is stunned - Windows 7 **
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Mac Fan? Johnny Mac-come lately you mean!
This is the most facile piece of Anti-Mac propaganda I've read in years.
I'm assuming it's intentionally aimed at children?
This is the most facile piece of Anti-Mac propaganda I've read in years.
I'm assuming it's intentionally aimed at children?
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It's great that people are falling over themselves in praise of Windows 7.
Take into consideration that it's taken all of Microsoft's resources to put something out to the masses that can hold a candle to Mac OS.
Meanwhile Microsoft has lost ground in all other areas (ie: Smartphone OS, Zune) while Apple continues to generate product that the general public craves and wants.
Microsoft has become out of touch and irrelevant.
It's great that people are falling over themselves in praise of Windows 7.
Take into consideration that it's taken all of Microsoft's resources to put something out to the masses that can hold a candle to Mac OS.
Meanwhile Microsoft has lost ground in all other areas (ie: Smartphone OS, Zune) while Apple continues to generate product that the general public craves and wants.
Microsoft has become out of touch and irrelevant.
While I'll not disagree with this assessment for the most part, I would not count them out. If history shows us anything, MS displays a dogged determination when it comes to trying to improve its products. Recent history, is windows 7 and the zune, both are highly praised.
As for windows 7, I've been playing with it for a little while and I'm not really getting what the big hubbub us about. OSX still better at how it does things, I thought based on people's praises that win7 would be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to be honest it just ok.
I think the hubbub is because Win 7 is easily the best OS Ms has come out with ever in terms of usability and UI. I still prefer Mac OS X, but Win 7 has brought Windows closer.
(Of course, I really liked XP the first time I used it. I grew to loathe it in time. Only time will tell about Win 7.)
If their latest OS, out for only a few months, is already on more computers across the world than all versions of OS X - on what basis do you make the above claim?
You sure about that?
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200811-200912
90% of the Windows users I know are sticking to XP.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-7-mac-osx-apple,9159.html
If 10% of all current windows users are using Win 7 - that means there are more Win 7 machines out there than OS X.
I have to have Windows on one of my computers as I need a computer capable of running ArcGIS. ESRI in their wisdom don't make a version for OS X 
Of all the versions of Windows I've used, there is no question 7 is the best.
Do I prefer it over OS X. Nope...
Of all the versions of Windows I've used, there is no question 7 is the best.
Do I prefer it over OS X. Nope...
Your own citation proves the point that you were trying to disprove, Win 7 overtook OS X.
Doesn't mean we have to like that of course
Yes, it is.
Damn. They've updated the graphs. My mistake.cjmillsnun said:
But still, as they all say, you can't compare Apples with Oranges. And it doesn't alter the fact that a 10 year old operating system is still industry standard and still used the by majority of home users. That alone, says enough about Windows in my mind.
So what does it say about OS X given that people would rather use XP than it?
Silly argument.
No, it's not silly. In fact, it's rather ironic that Micro$oft's newer offerings (Vista mainly since it's been around longer than 7) have hardly touched XP's market share.
It suggests that monopolies such as Microsoft with 97% global desktop market share are basically untouchable for all time no matter how crappy or overpriced their products are. This bodes very poorly for the future of the planet.
It suggests Apple's high prices are the regrettably the true barrier to wide-scale global adoption though given the structure of the planet how else could this be!
It suggests Microsoft can actually release an entirely broken OS which never really worked for three years and it still wouldn't fundamentally change things. Indeed it was heralded as their most successful OS ever ( Vista). How Absurd is that!
It confirms that in this world the best engineered products can never be the most popular.
Finally it suggests that the entire economic and social structures of planet earth are totally c*cked and that until we sort out this fundamental imbalance (since it seems then since even legislators can't dislodge the monopoly) that we are likely to end up with total global meltdown.
For example I ask one simple question. Stood at the airport checkout you are given the choice of two identical planes
Plane One is running OSX
Plane Two is Windows Vista
Which would you fly ?
I'd certainly fly OSX as would any sane person with the freedom to choose.
It says that you don't read posts. Because I said you cannot compare apples with oranges. The price difference alone is enough to put people off.
Silly argument
Vista has been around for three years and has twenty percent of the market. XP did a bit better having about 40% at that stage. Windows 7 has been out for two months and already has nearly if not more share than OS X.
If we're going to talk numbers then OS X is a colossal failure given that it's failed to make any significant impact on XP at all and considerably less than Vista has or W7 is.
That's why it's a silly argument.
Or that most people prefer them.
Why? Standardisation actually makes things easier.
It suggests Apple's high prices are the regrettably the true barrier to wide-scale global adoption though given the structure of the planet how else could this be!
What are you on about? Vista was poor for about a year and has been fine for two. In the meantime we've had 7 point releases for Leopard. MS aren't the only ones that release broken products.
Vista on the basis it'll let me use any airport and not just the ones Apple will allow me to land at.
It says that you don't read posts. Because I said you cannot compare apples with oranges. The price difference alone is enough to put people off.
Silly argument
But we can, chief. If you're going to say that people would rather use a 10 year old OS then that applies to all the choices. Which includes OS X and Linux.
But OS X was probably not released with the expectation of being a colossal success that totally knocks MS out. What's your point?
...But OTOH...
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9
OS X has the largest market penetration of any Unix (or Unix-like) system. If you look at it in terms of that, it's a colossal success for a far superior platform to anything Microsoft could dream up.
Vista has been around for three years and has twenty percent of the market. XP did a bit better having about 40% at that stage. Windows 7 has been out for two months and already has nearly if not more share than OS X.
If we're going to talk numbers then OS X is a colossal failure given that it's failed to make any significant impact on XP at all and considerably less than Vista has or W7 is.
That's why it's a silly argument.
Or that most people prefer them.
True, could be, but I think you'll find that anyone who uses OSX has at least used Windows and so has made an informed selective choice, unlike most Windows users who either have never used a mac, or blankly refuse to use Macs and have thus never tried them and are thus making an uninformed choice from a position of ignorance
Why? Standardisation actually makes things easier.
Classic response. Microsoft has CLEARY demonstrated that not to be the case with Windows. Even with 97% market 'standardisation' they have made flakey unreliable products that often won't even talk to each other. We perhaps should be grateful that 100% of earths computer systems are not subjected to the same 'windows standardisation features'!! However, even taking that your conjecture as fact I'll accept that one could argue that the standardisation of hardware and software (i.e the Apple model) results in a more stable and reliable productive experience.
It suggests Apple's high prices are the regrettably the true barrier to wide-scale global adoption though given the structure of the planet how else could this be!
Yep, agree. I'd love to see lower priced Apple kit. I expect once we reach some point in Apple's economies of scale that they may well be able to start producing Macbook Pro's for Acer money. What a wonderful day that would be!
What are you on about? Vista was poor for about a year and has been fine for two. In the meantime we've had 7 point releases for Leopard. MS aren't the only ones that release broken products.
My Snow Leopard worked flawlessly from day one. Not a single bug for me. The point releases have had no impact but good that they keep releasing them so regularly. Comforting to know yes?
Vista on the basis it'll let me use any airport and not just the ones Apple will allow me to land at.
Moot point. Your not going to get to the airport - you'll be getting fished out of the ocean by a rescue helicopter running OSX!!
But we can, chief. If you're going to say that people would rather use a 10 year old OS then that applies to all the choices. Which includes OS X and Linux.
Please see my responses above
How anybody can compare Leopard to Vista is laughable. Leopard is one of the best releases by Apple and had the highest satisfaction ratings for any operating system. We can't say the same about Vista, Vista was a huge failure for Microsoft, anybody denying that is sticking their head in their sand.