Absolutely disgusted

[MacHamster68]

we live in other times gadgets dont last long and nobody cares if they break
and yes i consider the new mac generation apart from the macpros simply as gadgets ,and as gadgets look good , they sell good and create quick profits
and as many have pointed out on this forum the imac 27 i7 is not expensive ,even if it looks like it if you se the prictag ,but if you compare it with others like dell's top all in one pc its realy a bargain
so now as we know the imac 27 are to be found in the bargain basement ,so who is expecting high quality from a cheap product

apple imac 27 i7 £1797
dell XPS One 2412 core 2 quad £1799

 

[unixfool]

"Huffy" LOL I like that.

All kidding aside.... sorry you took that so personal...

Funny you should tell me to expect such criticism...
I think you should do the same.....

I don't take ANY criticism from people I don't know who make such personal comments. It would've been a different story if you'd been discussing something that was actually on-topic.

 

[StarTzar]

I don't take ANY criticism from people I don't know who make such personal comments. It would've been a different story if you'd been discussing something that was actually on-topic.

Had it been meant to be personal, my original post would have been addressed to you directly... but it was not.... I was answering a post made by (gimmeiphone)... so go have your dinner.

 

[unixfool]

Had it been meant to be personal, my original post would have been addressed to you directly... but it was not.... I was answering a post made by (gimmeiphone)... so go have your dinner.

gimmeiphone was referring to me, you made comments about that. It doesn't matter if you were direct or indirect, the comments were uncalled for. Not all Mac users are rich or have things provided to them. I grew up next to poor but I'm doing well enough now to not like such comments. Those comments have no place here...at all...no matter how you continue to justify them...so YOU go to dinner. I'm staying put.

 

[dh2005]

Jesus, folks. Let's not kill each other over this...


... I'm very new to the Mac realm; I bought my first, a mid-range Mini, three weeks ago. And here's my overall perception; it's a genuine triumph of style over substance.

This phrase is commonly used as an insult, but that's not how I mean it at all. I mean it in the sense that I know I could've bought more for the money, but I'm comfortable with the fact that I didn't. And I think it's this that Apple are so good at; convincing people to part with more money than they need to, without leaving them feeling ripped-off. That's quite an achievement, I think. Particularly in current economic conditions.


Of course, my effusive praise would be dampened considerably if my Mini didn't actually work. And it's here that I turn to the OP; it absolutely blows that you've had such a crap time. I feel for you. I'm a student myself, and academic deadlines are depressing enough without the need for complications. I hope you get this resolved and stay with Team Mac.


But there's another point I wanted to make, if I may. I forget who posted the price comparison of the 27" iMac and the Dell competitor... it's to you that I'm proposing this... should we necessarily be happy to see Apple competing on price? After all, it's not something that they're known for, nor do they appear to be very good at it.

Maybe this is the exact problem with that model - maybe Apple, in an attempt to take more market share, have made deliberate design/manufacture compromises that are coming home to roost...?

Maybe Apple should stick to what they're best at; convincing people to part with more money than they need to, without leaving them feeling ripped-off. Because, at the moment, I'm seeing a lot of people who do feel ripped-off, notwithstanding that this is one of the most competitively priced computers that Apple has ever produced.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

I have no issues with anyone loving their machine mac or Pc. But no company tells such blatant lies or deliberately smears the competition as much as Apple do.

Its dirty, cheap and underhand.

You are hopelessly lost. Seriously, why do you hang out here? If you hate Apple so much, why not move on?

Your attitude and presence here is pathetic.

Bryan

 

[archipellago]

You are hopelessly lost. Seriously, why do you hang out here? If you hate Apple so much, why not move on?

Your attitude and presence here is pathetic.

Bryan

and you responding is different how...?

 

[DVD Plaza]

Is it really Apple's fault though? They don't make most of the parts in the iMac, certainly not the screen. But I guess you could blame them for letting all the iMac's through.

Dumbest thing I have read on the Internet, EVER!

 

[bobob]

Is it really Apple's fault though? They don't make most of the parts in the iMac, certainly not the screen. But I guess you could blame them for letting all the iMac's through.

Dumbest thing I have read on the Internet, EVER!

Boy that brings back memories!

I remember my first day on the Internet way back when...

 

[drummerlondonw3]

Is it really Apple's fault though? They don't make most of the parts in the iMac, certainly not the screen. But I guess you could blame them for letting all the iMac's through.

No I think you are right. OFCOURSE its not apple's fault because they sold him an apple imac....oh wait IT IS apple's fault.

Were all on this forum as apple fans and users that doesn't mean that when someone has very bad luck and major inconvenience that we cant see that for what it is.

Apple makes great computers. Apple makes mistakes. The 2 can co-exist

 

[MacHamster68]

Jesus, folks. Let's not kill each other over this...


... I'm very new to the Mac realm; I bought my first, a mid-range Mini, three weeks ago. And here's my overall perception; it's a genuine triumph of style over substance.

This phrase is commonly used as an insult, but that's not how I mean it at all. I mean it in the sense that I know I could've bought more for the money, but I'm comfortable with the fact that I didn't. And I think it's this that Apple are so good at; convincing people to part with more money than they need to, without leaving them feeling ripped-off. That's quite an achievement, I think. Particularly in current economic conditions.


Of course, my effusive praise would be dampened considerably if my Mini didn't actually work. And it's here that I turn to the OP; it absolutely blows that you've had such a crap time. I feel for you. I'm a student myself, and academic deadlines are depressing enough without the need for complications. I hope you get this resolved and stay with Team Mac.


But there's another point I wanted to make, if I may. I forget who posted the price comparison of the 27" iMac and the Dell competitor... it's to you that I'm proposing this... should we necessarily be happy to see Apple competing on price? After all, it's not something that they're known for, nor do they appear to be very good at it.

Maybe this is the exact problem with that model - maybe Apple, in an attempt to take more market share, have made deliberate design/manufacture compromises that are coming home to roost...?

Maybe Apple should stick to what they're best at; convincing people to part with more money than they need to, without leaving them feeling ripped-off. Because, at the moment, I'm seeing a lot of people who do feel ripped-off, notwithstanding that this is one of the most competitively priced computers that Apple has ever produced.

i compared the two because they are both all in one computers /pc's ,and thats what you should compare , its unfair to compare the 27 inch imac with a self build desktop ,so i had to compare it with a similar AIO to show that the iMac 27 is not really expensive ,
and i just forget about the problems in that comparison, as dells have problems too i guess , so it is a fair comparison as dell is apples biggest competitor and on the iMac you get 27" screen compare to the dells 24 " and you get a faster processor with the i7 and the faster ram on the imac
ok the dell offers blue ray reader , therefor the 27"imac
has a prettier design
so in the end you cant compare these top models of both apple and dell as they are to different

what you could do is compare the base models of the two


iMac 27" base 3.06 ghz core 2 duo for £1378
dell xps one 24" 2.53? ghz core 2 duo for £1279

so it shows clearly that apple has competitive price tags on their systems
you can compare the two processors as they come from the same family as both are core 2 duos , with the imac you get a bigger screen and a bit faster processor for just £100 more
is the prettier design and bigger screen and faster processor worth the extra £100 is something you need to decide for yourself

 

[gimmeiphone]

I don't take ANY criticism from people I don't know who make such personal comments. It would've been a different story if you'd been discussing something that was actually on-topic.

I need my eyes fixed? im being immature? lol im not the one having an ifight nothing immature about wanting what i paid for, got a 16gb ipod nano for my troubles anyway lol

 

[dh2005]

MacHamster68;

Sure, I'm not saying that your comparison was spurious. I think maybe you've misunderstood what I was getting at.


What I'm asking is; is quality-control at Apple dipping because they're now attempting to compete on price? Which is not something that they've traditionally done.

 

[Cave Man]

What I'm asking is; is quality-control at Apple dipping because they're now attempting to compete on price? Which is not something that they've traditionally done.

It's probably more to do with volume. Statistically unprobable events become more probable as iterations occur. In the age of the internet those things can take on a life of their own, even though statistically the rate of failure is no greater, or less, than before the increase in volume. But of course, it could also be a real problem. Only Apple will know that, because they have a history of not admitting to anything bad.

 

[dh2005]

Quite so. And I wouldn't be so cheap as to say that there's no smoke without fire, but when dozens of people report a common/similar hardware defect, it suggests a running problem.

 

[ouimetnick]

Is it really Apple's fault though? They don't make most of the parts in the iMac, certainly not the screen. But I guess you could blame them for letting all the iMac's through.

Yes it is there fault. The build them. It doesnt matter what brand of parts they use. If I build a chair that came as a kit, and sell it for $599, and advertise it to be way better than my competors and one of its legs are shorter than one another by 1 mm, is it the kits fault, or my fault? Mine. Its not better if it has defects. I used to think, the Apple tax would be for amazing QC. But its not. Probably just to pay for Steve's liver.

 

[StarTzar]

I need my eyes fixed? im being immature? lol im not the one having an ifight nothing immature about wanting what i paid for, got a 16gb ipod nano for my troubles anyway lol

Congratulations on getting a 16gb ipod nano... you may as well get rid of it..... I mean with your poor eye sight and all.

I can send you my mailing address and I'll pay for shipping costs for the ipod

 

[gimmeiphone]

Congratulations on getting a 16gb ipod nano... you may as well get rid of it..... I mean with your poor eye sight and all.

I can send you my mailing address and I'll pay for shipping costs for the ipod

Lol enticing as that offer is, think I might hold
onto it for now and get some thicker glasses lol

 

[dh2005]

... just to pay for Steve's liver.

That comment completely threw me, so I Googled it. I didn't realise he'd been ill.

I'm quite sure he could've afforded the liver already...! If, in fact, there is any truth to the muddy rumours. Which I'm not suggesting there is.

 

[Thirteenva]

You are hopelessly lost. Seriously, why do you hang out here? If you hate Apple so much, why not move on?

Your attitude and presence here is pathetic.

Bryan

He is here because it is far easier to rile up and aggravate people who think differently than you, than to become knowledgeable enough to have an intelligent conversation with like minded individuals on another forum.

This is the essence of a troll. We continually feed it, and like a stray dog it returns to your porch night after night, ragged and alone, waiting for it's next scrap of food. Let it go hungry and it'll find a new house to sniff around.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

He is here because it is far easier to rile up and aggravate people who think differently than you, than to become knowledgeable enough to have an intelligent conversation with like minded individuals on another forum.

This is the essence of a troll. We continually feed it, and like a stray dog it returns to your porch night after night, ragged and alone, waiting for it's next scrap of food. Let it go hungry and it'll find a new house to sniff around.

Excuse me, I'm laughing right now and shaking my head up and down as I completely agree with you. You couldn't be more right and your explanation is perfect.

I guess I'm annoyed because the months and months of attacks by two or three people have turned this forum upside-down and it's driving people away. But you're right...ignoring them is the absolutely the best thing to do. The second best defense will be the day the mods finally remove them from the forums.

I appreciate the insight and solid perspective,
Bryan

 

[unixfool]

I need my eyes fixed? im being immature? lol im not the one having an ifight nothing immature about wanting what i paid for, got a 16gb ipod nano for my troubles anyway lol

You've lost sight of your previous comment. Scroll up. And this isn't an "ifight". It's a matter of someone not know me and making blatant assumptions...akin to someone cracking a joke about blacks and not know that the listener may associate with people of color. Should I shut up about it? I don't think so.

So you got a 16gb ipod...does that address the root cause of your complaints? It doesn't. Maybe if your issue was ipod-related...

If you want what you pay for and they're not providing it, work it out with them or go to another manufacturer. Venting about it here doesn't really do a thing (you're much better off venting stuff like this directly to Apple). Some people need to man-up and take charge instead of belly-aching. "The customer is always right," so if you don't think Apple is treating you right, find a company that WILL. THAT's maturity. There are companies that I haven't bought from going back 18 years, simply because they ticked me (the consumer) off with shoddy customer support. It's that simple.

 

[gimmeiphone]

You've lost sight of your previous comment. Scroll up. And this isn't an "ifight". It's a matter of someone not know me and making blatant assumptions...akin to someone cracking a joke about blacks and not know that the listener may associate with people of color. Should I shut up about it? I don't think so.

So you got a 16gb ipod...does that address the root cause of your complaints? It doesn't. Maybe if your issue was ipod-related...

If you want what you pay for and they're not providing it, work it out with them or go to another manufacturer. Venting about it here doesn't really do a thing (you're much better off venting stuff like this directly to Apple). Some people need to man-up and take charge instead of belly-aching. "The customer is always right," so if you don't think Apple is treating you right, find a company that WILL. THAT's maturity. There are companies that I haven't bought from going back 18 years, simply because they ticked me (the consumer) off with shoddy customer support. It's that simple.

no it doesnt resolve my problem, but the ipod is a nice bonus. I have been relaying all of my problems to apple not just come here to moan, now whos making assumptions? Me and you have very different ideas of maturity, if this thread subject displeases you then please refrain from posting in it, or reading it for that matter. Your responses have been unhelpful and slightly patronising. The boards are here for people to talk, vent, and or present problems regarding anything apple, and even for people to deathly defend apple even in the face of obvious failure in some of its products im glad you are happy with your apple products, but me and many other people are not, and we have a right to talk about it without being told to quit belly aching, get our eyes fixed or to stop being immature, sounds like a forum isnt somewhere for you.

 

[gimmeiphone]

and i do like the way apple are treating me, they have been very accomodating in my problems, their customer service is top notch and i would never deny this

 

[gimmeiphone]

Let's get this straight right off the bat: I didn't "have everything handed to" me and there is no silver platter. I bust my butt bigtime for the things I want and a LOT of that is fighting with the wife for what I want ("you don't need that, honey"). What makes you think I don't work hard for what I have? Because I have Apple products? And? I do with my money as I please...I earned it.

Do you mean to tell me that every one on these forums who have the yellowing issues actually have issues where they can't work on the machine? Every purchaser with issues is a graphic artist or needs this fixed immediately? Are you saying that this site is representative of the whole Mac user world? Are you saying that because you're the customer, you're entitled to open up 8 boxes of iMacs until the color is to your liking, when perception plays a big part in this? Maybe the answer is yes, but you are NOT telling me that I have stuff handed to me on a silver platter...no way in hell.

This site doesn't represent the whole of the Mac world. If there were even hundreds of users here with issues, it still wouldn't matter. And, just because YOU have an issue with your Mac hardware doesn't mean everyone is experiencing the same thing.

You guys need your eyes fixed, because you're probably seeing yellow where there is little to no yellow. Seriously. A ding or dent or crack can be perceived...its either there or it isn't. How do you define this yellowing? "It might be there?" I can't see jack in almost all the images I've seen on these forums.

And yes, a lot of this is probably a maturity issue. I can't see returning a system because of something I might be seeing, studying it to determine if its there or not. I also won't be returning items multiple times...twice max for me, then I move to another manufacturer. Every time you open a box, sniffle and complain that you're seeing yellow then send it back, another consumer is taking a frickin' hit in the pocket, for something that may not even exist. There may be several cases of legit issues, but I think this issue is now bordering on sensationalism.

I understand if you don't agree, but don't get all huffy and tell me that I throw around money or have things handed to me when you don't even know me. And, if you're using forums on the 'net, you probably should expect such criticism in the first place.

reading stars comment, it looks like it wasnt directed at anyone in particular, why did you get so defensive? not very nice!