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matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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Not TRYING to harp on it, ive just never seen any other phone do that , that has an aluminum back on it while people here are saying it is built well while they say the GS3 build is crap. I see nothing wrong with a plastic body and it feels fine to me. In fact the glass back is one of the big reasons why i decided not to get a Nexus 4.

Probably because when it happens to other phones nobody makes a big deal out of it, but when it's the iPhone the world is ending of course...

I'm indifferent to how the phone is made, plastic, aluminium, glass..whatever, I don't care. As long as it does what I want, that's the main thing.
 

sneaky butcher

macrumors 6502
Nov 8, 2011
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You: I hate my iPhone 5 because I received one with a defective sleep/wake button and refuse to have it replaced under warranty because I'm crazy. I will also confuse build quality and quality control and claim that the product with the best build quality in the industry has the worst. I also think that an inferior phone is somehow better because people own it...

Me: Right.

Here's another convo you might be interested in, this one based on a real conversation:


Consumer #1: Yeah as a long time iPhone owner I ditched it for the Galaxy S3 this time around, they say it's much better.

Consumer #2: I've heard the same thing.

Consumer #1: Yeah it's great!

Skeptic: How is it much better?

Consumer #1: Because the screen is better.

Skeptic: No it's not. The S3 screen is a very cheap unit. If you rock the display left to right for example on the S3 you'll see that the color violently changes to weird tones from just a few degrees away from the viewing angle. On top of that if you look at the colors they're completely off and messed up on the S3.

Consumer #1: What do you mean the colors are messed up?

Skeptic: Let me show you I'll pull up the same photo. *pulls up photo* it looks like you're looking through a cheap instagram filter at everything.

Consumer #1: Wow I've never noticed that before. But the S3 has more pixels.

Skeptic: No really. It has a higher resolution but it has fewer pixel sites. The screen on the iPhone 5 is made up of an even amount of red green and blue pixels. On the S3 there are half the red and blue pixels. Which means that overall there are about 30% fewer pixel sites on the S3, at a higher resolution and greater DPI. This results in a serious cross hatching pattern that makes the screen look noticeably grainy, which is the problem that more resolution is supposed to fix and is responsible for a very poor color gamut that makes everything look like it's through a filter. On top of that if you look at the screen itself next to mine you'll see that it's less than half the brightness.

Consumer #2: But the S3 is faster with a better processor.

Skeptic: No, not really. The international version of the S3 has the quad core Exynos 1.4 gig processor, the US version has a dual core 1.5 gig processor. The iPhone 5 processors is the A6 1.02 gig processor that can selectively ramp it's clock speed up to 1.3 gigs and possibly beyond.

Consumer #2: Right so 1.5 is more than 1.3.

Skeptic: No it actually ends up being slower. You can't really compare two different processors with two different architectures, it's a very bad comparison. In the end on benchmarks the iPhone 5 processor performs nearly identically to the Galaxy S3 international quad core version, and is about 15% faster than the US dual core LTE galaxy S3. With graphics processor you can compare them more directly and the iPhone 5 has about 28 gigaflops of processing power with it's PowerVR graphics chip while the Galaxy S3 only has 7 gigaflops of graphics processing power, which is 4 times less. So that's 15% more CPU and 4 times more GPU.

Consumer #1: Oh well I thought it was faster, I didn't know it has that much slower. I like the voice recognition on the S3 compared to my old iPhone 4 though. It's more accurate.

Skeptic: Voice recognition is all based on the Hidden Markov Model algorithm and is generally around 90% accurate with a large word bank and 99% accurate with a small word bank. So any difference you see doesn't have anything to do with the processing and is likely a coincidence but Apple also added a microphone on the back of the iPhone 5 which picks up surrounding audio and will cancel it out which means it sends a much cleaner signal for voice recognition and you can use it in loud places. The iPhone 5 is the only phone which has this features because Apple has the patent on it, which also means it has the best voice recognition accuracy. The iPhone 5 also improved it's response quality to be on par with Jelly Bean, which was the number one downside to the old 4S. So voice recognition should be better on the iPhone 5.


Consumer #1: That's pretty Interesting, I didn't know voice recognition worked on a common forumula, maybe it was a coincidence or I just started talking to my phone clearly. I like form of the S3 though.

Skeptic: The S3 is built like a children's toy. Apple is really the only company that makes high quality cell phones right now. Other manufacturers cut costs left and right making their devices out of the most inexpensive plastic and then advertising to no end when they put a 5 cent piece of kevlar fabric on the back like it's their greatest achievement. Cell phone manufactures besides Apple make cheap low quality devices. Apple's iPhone 5 is said to be the most difficult to manufacture consumer device ever made by Foxconn. They actually are the first manufacturer to use crystalline diamond milled aluminum on a consumer device which cuts and polishes the edge at the same time. They also use lasers to cut out all the ports so there are no finishing marks.

Consumer #1: Oh wow, I never though about the quality before. I just kind of looked at the color and that was it. What I meant though is I like that it has a bigger screen and that's what I really noticed about it. I ignored the rest. But I did like the neat features like locking the phone or silencing it when you lay it on the screen, and the weather widgets on the home screen.

Skeptic: My iPhone 5 does each of those things you describe. You can instal them through the Cyndia store along with over 90% of Android's unique features. It takes 5 minutes to set up. I can't really help you with the screen size though, so you would have said that the iPhone 5 is much better if it had a bigger screen though right?

Consumer #1: Yep

Consumer #2: Pretty much

In case you were wondering the only features that the S3 has over the iPhone 5 a are a few proprietary samsung software features, NFC, a removable battery and removable storage. The removable storage is over 15 times slower than internal storage and takes ages to load anything, and has a lower internal storage, and the removable battery can be added with a slim battery case for the iPhone 5, which takes up about the same amount of room in your pocket as an extra battery and is easier to use. NFC isn't that useful.

TLDR so i skipped to the last paragraph. You forgot about widgets, wifi direct, offline dictation, ability to use as external hard drive.
 

Siyah

macrumors newbie
Jan 3, 2013
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Interesting perspective. I'm curious why you bought it if you seem to dislike everything about it. Did you purchase before seeing in person?

I played around with a demo model for a few minutes, read some reviews and decided to give Samsung/Android a try. After having been using the Note 2 for almost 2 months; I believe I can be pretty sure about my dislikes.

In my humble opinion:

- Don't like the AMOLED display, didn't get used to it. Also under direct sunlight the lack of brightness is an issue. It seems the latest firmware update boosts the brightness but it is erratic.

- I don't like the complicated firmware update process. I now appreciate much more how simple this was with iOS.

- I don't like the quality of the sound output.

- I realized that I don't like the drawbacks of an open source OS.

- I don't like the lack of quality in Google Play. Don't trust Google's Bouncer to keep malware out.

- The amount of spam I receive (especially marketing calls and SMS) has quadrupled since moving to android and I don't believe it is a coincidence.

- I don't like the low-light performance of the camera.

I do like how you can customize your device and appreciate the larger screen. But for me negatives outweigh the positives.

BTW, thanks to Radiating for his informative post.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
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Dublin/London
Sometimes its not about what you do but how you do it. Its about ease of doing things like sharing files, automating stuff or just being able to make the phone work the way I want, rather than how someone in Cupertino thinks I might.

I don't change roms, haven't rooted but I still find Android easier to make work for me. Add in some of the features like NFC (which I use), multiple email attachments, dropbox integration, file system, smart stay etc and I just couldn't go back to IOS until Apple starts stepping up. I know there are workarounds for some of these features but that's the advantage of Android - you don't have to use a workaround.

To me its never about specs (I'd like a screen size around 4.3/4.4 inches) but what the OS does for me.

I see people say about the freedom on Android, but what is it that these people do that iPhone users can't? Just for curiosity. I do the same things on my iPhone that I did on my S3 and previous HTC's. What did I miss out on? :)
 
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The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,316
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Wales, United Kingdom
Sometimes its not about what you do but how you do it. Its about ease of doing things like sharing files, automating stuff or just being able to make the phone work the way I want, rather than how someone in Cupertino thinks I might.

I don't change roms, haven't rooted but I still find Android easier to make work for me. Add in some of the features like NFC (which I use), multiple email attachments, dropbox integration, file system, smart stay etc and I just couldn't go back to IOS until Apple starts stepping up. I know there are workarounds for some of these features but that's the advantage of Android - you don't have to use a workaround.

To me its never about specs (I'd like a screen size around 4.3/4.4 inches) but what the OS does for me.
I appreciate what you are saying and yes its all about user preference. Having been on Android for several years I must say I prefer the ease of use I get with iOS. I think its a lot more clear cut with less hassle in my experience. I only really use email, twitter, facebook, text, and a little web browsing here and there. I don't watch media on my phone much because I own a tv and a laptop for that. My iPad is handy also for that purpose. Most of my friends use Whatsapp so sending pictures, videos etc has never been a problem. I found Android to be unstable with far too many error reports coming up and apps feeling like they had been released way before many of the problems had been ironed out. My iPhone also doesn't randomly shut down in the middle of a text message which was a problem on 3 of my previous phones, all with different manufacturers. I guess my experience is different to yours in this case. I really enjoyed my last Android phone which was the S3 but despite it bragging a better hardware spec than my iPhone, I have to say the iPhone has never missed a beat since I've owned it and IMO its more user friendly. I don't feel restricted on iOS, quite the opposite :)
 

Sedrick

macrumors 68030
Nov 10, 2010
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I am waiting for the S10.

I don't know. the S10 was cool and all, but not built very well. :p

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Aquaporin

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2005
515
220
USA
I see people say about the freedom on Android, but what is it that these people do that iPhone users can't? Just for curiosity. I do the same things on my iPhone that I did on my S3 and previous HTC's. What did I miss out on? :)

Freedom means constantly being surveilled by a massive advertising agency whose prime directive is to make money off of your personal information.

Freedom means bitching and moaning because every phone has a locked bootloader and those with open bootloaders can be bricked a dozen different ways because the unbricking software only works on a handful of phones.

Android is the system for an Orwellian utopia.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
161
Dublin/London
Wow. Really useful post. :eek:

Freedom means constantly being surveilled by a massive advertising agency whose prime directive is to make money off of your personal information.

Freedom means bitching and moaning because every phone has a locked bootloader and those with open bootloaders can be bricked a dozen different ways because the unbricking software only works on a handful of phones.

Android is the system for an Orwellian utopia.
 

Siyah

macrumors newbie
Jan 3, 2013
18
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Freedom means constantly being surveilled by a massive advertising agency whose prime directive is to make money off of your personal information.

Freedom means bitching and moaning because every phone has a locked bootloader and those with open bootloaders can be bricked a dozen different ways because the unbricking software only works on a handful of phones.

Android is the system for an Orwellian utopia.

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

At least some people are taking some action:

See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/9831135/Apple-iPhone-users-suing-Google.html
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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6,109
I feel like all phones are pretty equal now and it comes down to how big of a screen you want. A lot of the issues I had being in the apple ecosystem are slowly going away as more and more of those apps are available on android with the same functionality. This year is going to be pretty cool for phones, and hopefully apple does something very different with IOS 7
 

ybz90

macrumors 6502a
Jul 10, 2009
609
2
Here's a question for the OP. If your only real gripe is the bad button, why don't you just have Apple replace it for you?

Every manufacturer has defective units, that's QC, not build quality. I currently use a Galaxy Nexus and love it, but I had to replace it twice because of a horrible screen issue and then a deformed frame since it's made of cheap, craptastic plastic.

There are many reasons to dislike an iPhone. Build quality is NOT one of them, as it is easily the industry's best, bar none.
 

0dev

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Dec 22, 2009
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Freedom means constantly being surveilled by a massive advertising agency whose prime directive is to make money off of your personal information.

Freedom means bitching and moaning because every phone has a locked bootloader and those with open bootloaders can be bricked a dozen different ways because the unbricking software only works on a handful of phones.

Android is the system for an Orwellian utopia.

That's just pure FUD. Android doesn't have surveillance on it at all, the only things Google stores are things you save in Google's services like Gmail and Drive, and guess what? Apple does the same with iCloud.

Oh, and Samsung, the biggest Android phone maker, does not lock their bootloaders. Just FYI.
 

ybz90

macrumors 6502a
Jul 10, 2009
609
2
As for NFC, I'm probably in the minority who uses it extensively, as most shops around here have readers so I can use Google Wallet. It sounded gimmicky, but once you try it, it's hard to go back (provided there are stores that feature readers). Now, for the most part, I just carry my phone for credit cards and a money clip with some cash and my IDs and one CC just in case.

The other NFC features are pretty much near useless. Many of Samsung's "fancy pants implementations" are proprietary rubbish software features and transferring information by touching phones is nowhere near as seamless as the commercials indicate. In fact, I've never had a single successful transfer where we didn't pull our phones apart and swipe furiously for 5-10 seconds while asking, "um... did it work?". Also, you kind of look like a loser moron with the backs of your phones touching for 20 seconds. Thanks but no thanks, email/text works fine.

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That's just pure FUD. Android doesn't have surveillance on it at all, the only things Google stores are things you save in Google's services like Gmail and Drive, and guess what? Apple does the same with iCloud.

Oh, and Samsung, the biggest Android phone maker, does not lock their bootloaders. Just FYI.

No, it's really not. Android is fundamentally and necessarily integrated with the Google experience, which is designed as an enormous data mine. Did you know that Google parses all of your texts, call transcripts, search history, and emails? Because they do, to better serve targeted advertising.I make a point to deliberately delete history and manage what Google can and cannot do, and even then, it's quite a bit of personal information.

You could argue that using any Google service is giving up the same information to Google, which is true. However, when you have it on your phone, you have a lot more personal information, and more importantly, it's something that's on you 24/7 and gives up a kind of information that computer services don't (what you search on the go, the places you like to go to/search for, etc). For a search company, mobile is the next big frontier, and we'd be kidding ourselves if we said Google's Android wasn't made to sell their services. It's "free", but kind of like a loss leader. You're paying in other ways down the line.

Which may or may not be fine. For me, and clearly most people (though the majority may be uninformed), that's fine. But it's still important to know what's really going.
 

flameproof

macrumors 6502a
Jan 14, 2011
615
18
If your iPhone 5 ain't SIM-locked then just sell it. Prices are really high for 2nd hand iPhones.
 

chrisrosemusic1

macrumors 6502a
Jan 31, 2012
696
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Northamptonshire, England
If your iPhone 5 ain't SIM-locked then just sell it. Prices are really high for 2nd hand iPhones.

They aren't anymore - you'll get about £300 for a 16gb iPhone 5 compared to around £360 for a 4S at the same time in it's life span. Too many of them floating around these days for them to be worth what they used to I'm afraid. Apple's bubble is slowly deflating in terms of second hand value, less so in Mac devices, but certainly in iOS.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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No, it's really not. Android is fundamentally and necessarily integrated with the Google experience, which is designed as an enormous data mine.

Again, you can say the same about iCloud.

Did you know that Google parses all of your texts, call transcripts, search history, and emails? Because they do, to better serve targeted advertising.

No, I didn't know that, because it isn't true.

I know they scan Gmail for keywords (every single free mail provider does this) but they don't look at your calls and texts, that's BS.

I make a point to deliberately delete history and manage what Google can and cannot do, and even then, it's quite a bit of personal information.

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You could argue that using any Google service is giving up the same information to Google, which is true. However, when you have it on your phone, you have a lot more personal information, and more importantly, it's something that's on you 24/7 and gives up a kind of information that computer services don't (what you search on the go, the places you like to go to/search for, etc). For a search company, mobile is the next big frontier, and we'd be kidding ourselves if we said Google's Android wasn't made to sell their services. It's "free", but kind of like a loss leader. You're paying in other ways down the line.

You could argue that using iCloud is giving information to Apple, which is true, but when you have it on your phone, you have a lot more personal information, and more importantly, it's something that's on you 24/7 and gives up a kind of information that computer services don't (what you search on the go, the places you like to go to/search for in Apple Maps, etc).

But hey, we can trust Apple with privacy right? It's not like they've ever kept a massive GPS log on every single iPhone which was sent to iTunes and iCloud every time you synced! Oh, wait...
 

Aquaporin

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2005
515
220
USA
That's just pure FUD. Android doesn't have surveillance on it at all, the only things Google stores are things you save in Google's services like Gmail and Drive, and guess what? Apple does the same with iCloud.

Oh, and Samsung, the biggest Android phone maker, does not lock their bootloaders. Just FYI.

Yet Verizon's Galaxy SIII was locked. Your only option to unbrick is RMA/buy additional hardware.

Gmail scans everyone of your emails and serves advertisements based on the enclosed text. The key is the advertisement. Apple does not do this, and it's why you pay more for additional storage space.

Apple sells hardware, Google sells advertisements.

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No, I didn't know that, because it isn't true.

I know they scan Gmail for keywords (every single free mail provider does this) but they don't look at your calls and texts, that's BS.

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en_GB/more.html#scanning
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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Yet Verizon's Galaxy SIII was locked. Your only option to unbrick is RMA/buy additional hardware.

Verizon did that, not Sammy. Every other S3 in the US is unlocked as is the international version.

Gmail scans everyone of your emails and serves advertisements based on the enclosed text.

So does every other free e-mail provider.

Apple does not do this, and it's why you pay more for additional storage space.

iCloud e-mail is free. You really think Apple don't scan it?

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That link just supports what I said. All e-mail providers scan messages. But Google still don't scan texts, call logs, etc.
 

Aquaporin

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2005
515
220
USA
iCloud e-mail is free. You really think Apple don't scan it?

Apple doesn't sell the information for advertising.

First you deny Google scans their email, then you say without hesitation well Apple does as well. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and are willing to argue for the sake of argument.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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Apple doesn't sell the information for advertising.

First you deny Google scans their email, then you say without hesitation well Apple does as well. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and are willing to argue for the sake of argument.

Can you read? I never denied Google scans Gmail, I denied they scan your text messages and call logs.

From Apple's privacy policy:

"We also use personal information to help us develop, deliver, and improve our products, services, content, and advertising."

iAds, remember those?
 

Aquaporin

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2005
515
220
USA
That link just supports what I said. All e-mail providers scan messages. But Google still don't scan texts, call logs, etc.

http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/

Log information

When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include:

  • details of how you used our service, such as your search queries.
  • telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls.
  • Internet protocol address.
  • device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL.
  • cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account.


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Can you read? I never denied Google scans Gmail, I denied they scan your text messages and call logs.

From Apple's privacy policy:

"We also use personal information to help us develop, deliver, and improve our products, services, content, and advertising."

iAds, remember those?

Apple advertising means I get an email for sales on iPad covers during black friday or that the new iMac has been out.

iAd targets:

Demographics
Application preferences
Music passions
Movie, TV and audiobook genre interests
Location
Device (iPhone, iPad, iPod touch)
Network (WiFi, 3G)

Location, device and network are included with every HTML request.

Apps, Music, Movies etc come from the opt in iTMS Genius.

You got me on demographics.

And at the end of the day, I see those advertisements based on Apps that I have downloaded. Not with every email I receive.
 
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