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DaveCPA

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We also need to rip out Fly-by-Wire on all aircraft and reinstall cables so pilots have an accurate read of the situation just by touch. We may be able to save weight by ripping out FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) on all engines and reinstalling cable throttling systems. While we're at it we can get rid of HUD and glass cockpits and go back to analogue gauges and instruments.

We might also want to re-employ Flight Engineers. The pilot and first officer will all be busy 'feeling' the controls - they need someone to watch the engines and fuel gage! The manufacturers and airlines can cash in by promoting 'real' pilots who get you there by 'dead reckoning!'

By all means, lets keep the silent switch exactly the way it was - it's not hurting anything (advancement of technology)! Might want to ask Apple nicely to bring the headphone jack back too. There's plenty of space!
We get it you fly.
 

MacCheetah3

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Question,

How do you get the phone in and out of mute quickly if you assign the action button to something else?
Will likely be in the control center.
It's not though. I'm running the released candidate and there is no option to change the sound profile for the phone anywhere in control center and it's not something you can add.
Apple said:
By default, the Action button is set to toggle between Ring and Silent modes. If you choose a different action, you can use Control Center to mute or use Focus filters to automatically set your iPhone to silent.

Perhaps only available on iPhones with Action buttons.
 

Laowai184

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I find the action button on the AW Ultra to be incredibly useful. I use it every single day, throughout my day. I never accidentally pushed it. There are a lot of clumsy people on this planet, I’m sure they’ll complain a lot. It’s a great feature for many people.
Same here. Use it every day; never accidentally pushed it.
 

MarkNewton2023

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For me, action button is a very welcome change as I always use it on my AW Ultra. Every individual has their own preference. ;)
 

eyoungren

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We get it you fly.
Actually I don't. If you scroll through this thread you will see that I last held a Student Pilot's license in 1989 when I was 19. I never got any farther as after a few solo flights I soon realized that I do not belong in the left seat of any aircraft.

That said, I still love airplanes.

I was being overly hyperbolic to make a point. Fourth time I have said this in this thread now.
 

Nozuka

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It's not though. I'm running the released candidate and there is no option to change the sound profile for the phone anywhere in control center and it's not something you can add.

Well of course you can't add it, when you still have the mechanical mute switch. It would be useless.
 
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DMG35

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Perhaps only available on iPhones with Action buttons.

I’m assuming they mean to drag the volume slider up and down. Not really the same but I guess that will be the only way.
 

DMG35

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Well of course you can't add it, when you still have the mechanical mute switch. It would be useless.

iOS is the same across all models so it’s not going to be a new add to Control center.
 

Nozuka

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iOS is the same across all models so it’s not going to be a new add to Control center.

some features are obviously only available on the phones that have said feature. My iPhone 13 Mini doesn't have any AOD settings, because... it doesn't have AOD.

And the Apple website literally says, that it will be in the Control Center.
 
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DMG35

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some features are obviously only available on the phones that have said feature. My iPhone 13 Mini doesn't have any AOD settings, because... it doesn't have AOD.

And the Apple website literally says, that it will be in the Control Center.

AOD is only offered on certain models and isn't a part of iOS. And yes by control center they mean you can slide the volume button up and down, which really doesn't put the phone in and out of vibrate. Not that big of deal I guess but would be nice to have the action button AND the vibrate switch.
 
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adrianlondon

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AOD is only offered on certain models and isn't a part of iOS. And yes by control center they mean you can slide the volume button up and down, which really doesn't put the phone in and out of vibrate. Not that big of deal I guess but would be nice to have the action button AND the vibrate switch.
The iPads without a mute switch option (eg if it's been changed to orientation lock) have a mute option in the control centre. I suspect phones with an action button will have the same.
 

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DMG35

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The iPads without a mute switch option (eg if it's been changed to orientation lock) have a mute option in the control centre. I suspect phones with an action button will have the same.
Yeah, but all of the iPads have that option that run the latest OS. My point is that the OS doesn’t contain a mute button. I don’t think Apple will put one different feature into the OS for one model of phone. I could be wrong but my guess is that the volume slider will be the toggle. If it is a button like on the iPads that would be fantastic though.
 

dsteve

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Yeah, but all of the iPads have that option that run the latest OS. My point is that the OS doesn’t contain a mute button. I don’t think Apple will put one different feature into the OS for one model of phone.
They pretty much do this every time they add a new Pro only feature, yeah? Ex: Digital Dynamic Island last year.
 

redheeler

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In regards to the airplane engines, etc, as I said twice later on in this thread, I was being over hyperbolic to try and make a point.

If there is some other option regarding voice home automation devices that does not require voice or analog switches I'm all for it. I suggested one in that thread, an app. I'd been using an app for home automation for five years. But OP in that thread preferred voice, so if an app was ruled out and there is no other tech - I prefer the analog. The latter poster who suggested The Clapper, I took as a joke.
You specifically said "analog switch" not "smart switch", the two convey very different meanings for sure. (I've seen security issues arise with both voice control and smart switches that don't apply to analog switches so avoiding both is understandable).

In any case this thread's OP's opinion on Action Button is valid and there's no need for hyperbole to try and discredit it...
 
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eyoungren

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You specifically said "analog switch" not "smart switch", the two convey very different meanings for sure. (I've seen security issues arise with both voice control and smart switches that don't apply to analog switches so avoiding both is understandable).

In any case this thread's OP's opinion on Action Button is valid and there's no need for hyperbole to try and discredit it...
I should have just said light switch. That's what I meant. Next time, I will be more careful.

But as to hyperbole, OP was not being hyperbolic by calling the Action Button a horrible idea? OP simply could have said that they do not care for the idea of an Action Button and that they'd prefer to keep the mute switch instead. I probably wouldn't have said anything and I certainly would not have used my own hyperbole in response. But, I simply don't agree that the Action Button is a horrible idea. I think it's a great idea.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but here, I believe that the lecture on my own hyperbole being needed or not is misplaced.
 

bigjnyc

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It's not though. I'm running the released candidate and there is no option to change the sound profile for the phone anywhere in control center and it's not something you can add.
Why would they add it in the existing phones? Makes no sense. It will most likely be added in the IPSW for the new 15 pro phones with an action button
 
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DMG35

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They pretty much do this every time they add a new Pro only feature, yeah? Ex: Digital Dynamic Island last year.

That makes zero sense. You are talking about a specific feature of a phone, not a specific feature of iOS.
 

OasisNYK

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If I can just leave my phone on silent permanently and put the action button on launching the camera - I am totally cool with the change.
 

LD Curb

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The more I think about it, the Action Button on the iPhone 15 Pro is going to make my life much harder -- specifically because it replaces the mute switch which is super important. By being a physical switch, you can just feel if you're on mute without taking your phone out of your pocket. This is something I do daily when in meetings and other scenarios where I don't want my phone to ring. With the Action Button, you have to press and hold but you don't know before if it's already on mute or not. Maybe you can feel with haptics -- don't know. But still you're going to have to press and hold just to find out and undo it if it was already mute.

They should have added the Action Button in addition to the mute switch. There's plenty of room.

(Also never liked the power button moving to the right side. I hit that way too often accidentally. Should be on the top like iPhone 1-5. Then you can stand it on it's side too).
I really need constant notification that mute is on. This is just too important to have to remember .. is it on or off .. KWIM? Just a little light .. something for instant notification that mute is on.
 

zach-coleman

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So to be clear, if I want to set my phone to be on mute (same as legacy switch) on the new 15P, without using the action button, is it just a matter of sliding the ringer and alerts slider to the lowest setting and the phone will be 100% silent, but still have the vibrate? I just want something I don’t accident trigger back ON by mistake which stays permanently. (I leave my phone silent all the time).
In one of the hands on videos it showed that a ringer toggle button replaces the screen mirroring button in control center. It works like it does on iPad in this state. Where screen mirroring went is anyone's guess.
 

dsteve

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In one of the hands on videos it showed that a ringer toggle button replaces the screen mirroring button in control center. It works like it does on iPad in this state. Where screen mirroring went is anyone's guess.

That’s gold to hear, thx! So I found one that shows the Silent Mode item in Control Center. Here:


Screen mirroring is at the bottom right. Screenshot:

IMG_5129.jpeg
 
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