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NT1440

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It’s also possible the mute switch could have been one of the weakest points in the phone in regards to water resistance. I think a solid button may give it a bit more resistance, especially over time for people that used the mute switch constantly.
That’s actually a really good point. Having something slide and be completely waterproof (especially over time) probably has many disadvantages over the button approach. Never even considered that until now.
 

subjonas

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I'm sure we can find just as many reviews which say the exact opposite. I'm not sure what your point is there.
I think you’re being purposely obtuse here. Obviously the point is if a significant number reviews are bringing up a particular issue, then the issue probably has some validity. If a significant number of reviews say otherwise, then it still deserves looking into for clarification. But assuming it’s equal is not an objective place to start from.

My question is if you already know that the phone won't suit your needs, then why do you still feel as though you have to buy it? It's really mind boggling. There are still plenty of phones available that will have a mute switch.
Obviously no one has to buy it (unless maybe for work or something). I think this is more about the direction of iPhones in general. People who are fans of things always debate about the direction it’s going. But it’s not just a philosophical debate, it’s inevitably practical. Even if one skips this particular phone, eventually one has to buy a new phone. If this change is here to stay, then every iPhone owner will eventually have to contend with it or leave the ecosystem.
This thread is also following the typical troll pattern on here, where the OP makes a statement & then challenges or attacks everyone who provides an answer.
Troll and attack? Why so dramatic? It’s just an opinion and a debate.
 

subjonas

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people can either get onboard or speak with their wallet & not buy it. Those are the only available options.
People always say this when they come across an opinion they disagree with. And it’s absolutely true when it comes down to it. But using that argument as an attempt to keep people from expressing their opinions on an open forum is in poor taste.
 

subjonas

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People who use the mute botton clearly do not have an apple watch. Neither of mine ring. Vibrating on the watch is all I need. My problem will be trying to decide which function to set it to.
That’s true, not every iPhone user wears an Apple Watch.

I do but not always.
 
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Steve686

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That’s actually a really good point. Having something slide and be completely waterproof (especially over time) probably has many disadvantages over the button approach. Never even considered that until now.
Well I scuba dive quite a bit and actually took my iPhone down with me to 35 feet for about 90 minutes on accident. Dive shorts with cargo pockets is a bad idea to wear. It didn’t make it.

I always wondered where the water could have breached the phone and yes, there are many points in the body.

But I always looked at that mute switch with suspicion as being at least a decent probability.
 
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Boeingfan

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The number of people who apparently never visually confirmed that their mute switch was on is a bit unbelievable to me.

When I needed to be sure my mute switch was on, I physically had to pull it out EVERY TIME to see that red line. Sure, I guess I should/couple have tried to remember front to back or whatever, but the haptic will make it infinitely easier for me.
I guess I was happy knowing it was on by which side of the phone was which (glass screen vs the case on the back), and once that orientation was established it was just a matter of pushing the button backwards.
 

onenorth

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Troll and attack? Why so dramatic? It’s just an opinion and a debate.
The old mute switch is gone. There is nothing to debate about that. We must learn to adapt to the new design, regardless of how we feel about it. Suggestions on how to adapt were tendered in this thread and summarily rejected. It’s one thing to vent frustration and another to challenge folks who have nothing to do with Apple’s decision to change the design.

If we’re going to have a productive design debate then let’s start by acknowledging that change is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing, and try to understand why that is so and how it can work for us.
 

subjonas

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The old mute switch is gone. There is nothing to debate about that. We must learn to adapt to the new design, regardless of how we feel about it. Suggestions on how to adapt were tendered in this thread and summarily rejected. It’s one thing to vent frustration and another to challenge folks who have nothing to do with Apple’s decision to change the design.

If we’re going to have a productive design debate then let’s start by acknowledging that change is inevitable and not necessarily a bad thing, and try to understand why that is so and how it can work for us.
It’s not a debate about whether or not it was done—it’s a debate about the good and bad aspects of the move. People have complained and debated about Apple’s decisions for decades now. And they’re allowed to. Are you really trying to silence everyone once and for all? Or tell them what they can and can’t complain about? Why stop there? Why not silence everyone in the world who complains? Look around the internet including these forums, a large portion of threads are people debating about specific decisions Apple made (or fill in the blank of something that is already done). Is it going to actually cause Apple to go back on their decision? No, not unless it is accompanied with a negative effect on sales. But sometimes people just need to hash things out. Also let me ask, do you also seek out complainers who you agree with and tell them to stop complaining or debating? Or just the ones you don’t agree with? Because that’s a double standard.
 

Nozuka

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I agree it's a bad idea. Action button should be separate, not taking the place of the mute switch. You could always visibly see if it were on silent or not. Now you'll have to click and reclick just to confirm it's on mute.

Get ready for more phone rings interrupting movies, meetings, weddings etc.

I can not easily see it when the phone is on the table in front of me. I can not see it while i'm holding it and looking at the screen.You need to turn the phone to actually see it.

If you link mute to a focus, you will always see it on the lock screen. With Always on Display you don't even need to touch the phone to see it.
 

smokesletsgo

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It’s obviously a cost saving decision presented as a feature as much as possible (by giving a simple button extra functionality - which is useless for the most part, I’d rather have that high quality switch) so you’d eat the cheapening change.

Same thing happened with 3D Touch, although that one was much more painful to lose.
 

Al Rukh

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I wonder if the action button is here to stay. It’ll take time to adapt but I’m sure there will be users who want a dedicated ring/silent switch instead. Maybe a couple of years down the road we might get the switch back, who knows.
 

Nozuka

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It’s obviously a cost saving decision presented as a feature as much as possible (by giving a simple button extra functionality - which is useless for the most part, I’d rather have that high quality switch) so you’d eat the cheapening change.

Same thing happened with 3D Touch, although that one was much more painful to lose.

If they wanted cost savings, they would have just removed it.
It just makes no sense to have a switch that many people have no use for. A button is way more flexible and will likely get more options with future updates.

Ever since the very first iPhone i always had the switch on Mute and it was just dead weight.

Binding mute to a mechanical switch also makes sure you can not automate that function.
 

rjw1678

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The iPhone 15 has not shipped yet and this rush to judgement without any real world experience with the new features is just ridiculous.
 

hypercard

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(Also never liked the power button moving to the right side. I hit that way too often accidentally. Should be on the top like iPhone 1-5. Then you can stand it on it's side too).

Thanks for bringing this up - i hated this change also and never got used to it up to this very day (nearly impossible not to accidentally press it, when trying to press the buttons on the other side).

Never understood the motivation behind this change (which seemed to copy bad android phones) and never saw it discussed by communities, bloggers, influencers etc which astonishes me.

Had 3g, 3gs, 4, 4s, 5s, 6 plus, 6s plus, 12, 14 plus

Im ok with the action button though.
 

KhunJay

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Coming from iPhone X and well adapted to the "notch" on top of the screen.

What is that rectangular island (dynamic island?) I see at the top of the screen? Does it house the
front camera and sensors?

Is it ALWAYS present or does it appear when needed and vanish when it's not?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before.
 
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Macalway

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Maybe. But it's very true that these things can be mistakes. That down the road they will be corrected while being called new features.

Like bringing back the headphone jack, which is inevitable. People will upgrade just for that, and be all excited. The touch bar is another good example (sorry).
 

adrianlondon

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Coming from iPhone X and well adapted to the "notch" on top of the screen.

What is that rectangular island (dynamic island?) I see at the top of the screen? Does it house the
front camera and sensors?

Is it ALWAYS present or does it appear when needed and vanish when it's not?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before.
This thread is about the action button on the iPhone 15.

The dynamic island thing has no doubt been discussed to death elsewhere, as it's not new.
 
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ProfessionalFan

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I think it really depends on your use case... I _always_ have my phone muted (even before I had an Apple Watch) and while I too tend to check the switch in my pocket, it's just to verify I haven't accidentally unmuted it.
So now, after setting the phone on mute, I can use the action button for other stuff and I won't have to check for accidental unmuting again.
Same here, big upgrade for us
 
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Macalicious2011

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Who knows, but it's Apple that design the phone, and we simply buy it, if we like it. If we don't, we won't. I'm pretty sure, that space within the phone is tight, and using it to add, another button, will end up possibly reducing battery size, and then'll be complaints about less battery life. They have no doubt, had great feedback on the action button from users of the AW Ultra, and the added functionality of customising the button has great potential.
I'd like them to remove the camera and light function off of the screen, as I keep flicking them on. Perhaps this will come because of this button.

And here's Marques Brownlee's take on the issue
Same here. Because if have an apple watch phone is pretty much always on mute.

The only exception is if I am expecting a very important call that I don't want to miss.
 

wysiwyg1972

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So to be clear, if I want to set my phone to be on mute (same as legacy switch) on the new 15P, without using the action button, is it just a matter of sliding the ringer and alerts slider to the lowest setting and the phone will be 100% silent, but still have the vibrate? I just want something I don’t accident trigger back ON by mistake which stays permanently. (I leave my phone silent all the time).
 

Macalicious2011

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So to be clear, if I want to set my phone to be on mute (same as legacy switch) on the new 15P, without using the action button, is it just a matter of sliding the ringer and alerts slider to the lowest setting and the phone will be 100% silent, but still have the vibrate? I just want something I don’t accident trigger back ON by mistake which stays permanently. (I leave my phone silent all the time).
From what I have seen, the action button is only triggered if long pressed for 0.25-0.5sec~.
 
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