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NT1440

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Then explain removing the text selection magnifying glass (yes, I know they walked that one back because it was BUTT STUPID). Or changing “time since full charge” to the utterly inferior “screen on time.” Or the UX disaster that is known as changing your bloody wallpaper.

Don’t even get me started on the steaming mess that is Apple Music.

Remember how interactive widgets used to exist many years ago? I love how that was walked back so they could pitch it as some revolutionary upgrade now.

Or how about removing the original, genuinely innovative, genuinely beneficial MagSafe from MacBooks. Also glad they brought that back.

Or Stage Manager. Why does that exist on Mac when the existing Mission Control and Spaces already exists and is much more intuitive and effective?

Or on macOS notification banners, instead of just showing the usual two options, there are instead two buttons which both pull up the same two options. Horrendous UX design.

Seriously. If they are indeed thinking these things through, then they’re thinking with their asses. They are nowhere near the innovators they used to be and instead are in this infuriating habit of changing things, often for the worse, just to change things.

When the solution to the frustrations looks like the older version of the product, you KNOW they didn’t think it through.
You have your opinions on software UI (many of which I agree with), but we were talking about the physical action switch, no?
 

Boeingfan

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We also need to rip out Fly-by-Wire on all aircraft and reinstall cables so pilots have an accurate read of the situation just by touch. We may be able to save weight by ripping out FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) on all engines and reinstalling cable throttling systems. While we're at it we can get rid of HUD and glass cockpits and go back to analogue gauges and instruments.

We might also want to re-employ Flight Engineers. The pilot and first officer will all be busy 'feeling' the controls - they need someone to watch the engines and fuel gage! The manufacturers and airlines can cash in by promoting 'real' pilots who get you there by 'dead reckoning!'

By all means, lets keep the silent switch exactly the way it was - it's not hurting anything (advancement of technology)! Might want to ask Apple nicely to bring the headphone jack back too. There's plenty of space!
Wow, talk about taking a shotgun to kill a fly. It sounds like you're in, ex, or a fan of the aviation industry, so you would be well aware that there are definite advantages to having physical connections rather than virtual ones. Many people in IT swear by cables instead of wifi for another example to consider. Physical aircraft controls provide a natural organic feel which cannot be simulated, rather interpreted. This real world feedback cannot be overrated as the physical redundancies have saved lives where fly-by-wire has suffered failures resulting in hull losses. However, as the race to zero dollar airfares drive cheaper planes, not safer ones, these redundancies are discarded in order to satisfy the airlines shareholders.

Saturated pilots are no good to anyone, nor is an unresponsive UI. Technology is not the golden standard, just ask any multinational corporation who has outsourced their IT department to some developing country, because, oh that's right, tech never breaks.
 

eicca

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You have your opinions on software UI (many of which I agree with), but we were talking about the physical action switch, no?
We’re talking Apple’s general disregard for “it just works” and their instead irritating trend of “we decided you’re going to like it whether or not it works”
 
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Jared G.K.

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Fully agree with the OP on everything he said on mute switch.
All these who argue that the action button does the same by default anyway etc. should re-read how the OP justified what he said. Makes sense to me, I have the same issues with the action button.
Arguments on fly by wire in airplanes: why did they go back to mimicking old analogue instruments on the displays? To allow pilots to get an immediate at a glance optical impression of where parameters stand.
The action button on the Ultra being useful for many: yes, but this is an added feature which didn't exist before the Ultra. I think nobody would complain about a new action button on the iPhone, as an addition to the mute switch.

There has been this back tap feature on iPhone since quite a while, if they would have made this work more reliably and to support more actions, and left the mute switch alone, this would have been the much better idea. And served both needs, those of people like the OP an myself who want to have a mute switch and all others who want easier and programmable access to other features.

I also believe they won't go back, but hope so. For me, this is a reason to not buy a 15 Pro.
 

Rainshadow

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OK so you have to press and hold it just to find and then undo it if it was already in the state you wanted it in.
The number of people who apparently never visually confirmed that their mute switch was on is a bit unbelievable to me.

When I needed to be sure my mute switch was on, I physically had to pull it out EVERY TIME to see that red line. Sure, I guess I should/couple have tried to remember front to back or whatever, but the haptic will make it infinitely easier for me.
 

boak

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The number of people who apparently never visually confirmed that their mute switch was on is a bit unbelievable to me.

When I needed to be sure my mute switch was on, I physically had to pull it out EVERY TIME to see that red line. Sure, I guess I should/couple have tried to remember front to back or whatever, but the haptic will make it infinitely easier for me.
The mute switch already has haptic feedback. What are you talking about?
 

lamerica80

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Most people never touch that dust collecting nasty mute button. I dare say most people have their phones on silent always. Nothing is more annoying than hearing people getting texts or calls.

Now, I would love it if they would give full flexibility on mute for certain apps. In my case, I want sound+vibrate for e-mail and calls only, rest (like WhatsApp) on mute+vibrate.
 

Boeingfan

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Most people never touch that dust collecting nasty mute button. I dare say most people have their phones on silent always. Nothing is more annoying than hearing people getting texts or calls.

Now, I would love it if they would give full flexibility on mute for certain apps. In my case, I want sound+vibrate for e-mail and calls only, rest (like WhatsApp) on mute+vibrate.
Why do you think most people have their phones on silent?
 

black_knight

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The company has an extensive history of removing things on their phones for no real reason & this is just the latest example. We all said the same thing when they removed the headset jack, touch ID, & sim tray from their devices. It may be an annoyance right now, but my guess is you'll quickly adjust.

If it's something you don't think you can live with, then there's also the option of just not getting the 15 at all. Not sure what phone you're coming from but the 14s will still be available.
Apple has removed features and functions, yes. To say that they do this for “no real reason” is absurd.

Of course they have a reason. You may not like it, however.
 

TechGod

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The company has an extensive history of removing things on their phones for no real reason & this is just the latest example. We all said the same thing when they removed the headset jack, touch ID, & sim tray from their devices. It may be an annoyance right now, but my guess is you'll quickly adjust.

If it's something you don't think you can live with, then there's also the option of just not getting the 15 at all. Not sure what phone you're coming from but the 14s will still be available.
No real reason? The action button adds more functionality.
 

TechGod

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It’s a gimmick like the Touch Bar and Dynamic Island and I have both at the moment(iPhone 14 Pro and MBP 16” 2019). Both are as useless as each other, I can see the action button being the same.
How is a button...with more functionality a gimmick??
 
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metman888

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Hahahaha that is not substantiated in any way, I thought you may have had more than a personal opinion to base your broad comment on.

I’m not suggesting this is definitive proof or anything but I can’t think of 1 person in my circle of friends that doesn’t always have their phone on mute, a few older relatives still have their phone ring but I suspect that’s because for many years they lived in a time where muting a phone just wasn‘t a thing. I also travel on the train most mornings a rarely hear a phone ring despite seeing and hearing many people taking calls. I do see some having conversations using the loudspeaker or some playing music but that’s another story.

I’m personally glad they’re removing the mute switch, my phone is always on silent and I’ll find a programmable button more useful, I like others on here love the action button on my Ultra, I use it most days. I can 100% see why some would prefer a physical tactile switch but like has been said you can’t please everyone.

i wonder if apple actually has data on mute switch use, I know the phone sends logs etc to Apple.
 
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Ralfi

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I dare say most people have their phones on silent always. Nothing is more annoying than hearing people getting texts or calls.
Bet to differ. Most people don't want to miss calls & will have their ring tone on, albeit at a low volume & with vibrate accompanying it.
How is a button...with more functionality a gimmick??
Also, it’s now a button easier to access with one hand, especially when using a case.

Boggles the mind how people turn a design change into a mountain of negativity, when if they just thought about it, they‘d see its benefit.
 

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The action button is a great idea, except that I'm going to keep using it as a mute button.

Also, it’s now a button easier to access with one hand, especially when using a case.
Yes. I've been waiting for this, honestly. I'd much rather just press a button than try to fiddle with a switch, which is even more annoying when it's inside a case.
 
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ThunderSkunk

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Mute is not DND. It toggles vibration instead of the ringer so you can know if someone is calling your without interrupting everyone else.

I guess y'all work at home and never go out to public?
When out in public I prefer to set it on the most annoying ring possible and crank the vol up to 200db so I can be sure to hear it over everything and everyone always.
 
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eyoungren

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Wow, talk about taking a shotgun to kill a fly. It sounds like you're in, ex, or a fan of the aviation industry, so you would be well aware that there are definite advantages to having physical connections rather than virtual ones. Many people in IT swear by cables instead of wifi for another example to consider. Physical aircraft controls provide a natural organic feel which cannot be simulated, rather interpreted. This real world feedback cannot be overrated as the physical redundancies have saved lives where fly-by-wire has suffered failures resulting in hull losses. However, as the race to zero dollar airfares drive cheaper planes, not safer ones, these redundancies are discarded in order to satisfy the airlines shareholders.

Saturated pilots are no good to anyone, nor is an unresponsive UI. Technology is not the golden standard, just ask any multinational corporation who has outsourced their IT department to some developing country, because, oh that's right, tech never breaks.
I was being overly hyperbolic to try and make a point. At one time in 1989 I did hold a Student Pilot's License (that's as far as I ever got, I don't belong in the left seat). But primarily any knowledge I have was sparked by my father who held a private pilot's license until I came along. :D

Incidentally, my own son is in his third year of college for IT. ;)
 

Boeingfan

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I was being overly hyperbolic to try and make a point. At one time in 1989 I did hold a Student Pilot's License (that's as far as I ever got, I don't belong in the left seat). But primarily any knowledge I have was sparked by my father who held a private pilot's license until I came along. :D

Incidentally, my own son is in his third year of college for IT. ;)
Ah ha! The 80’s, what a fabulous decade they were. There were still Fokker Friendships running around with their whistly RR Dart engines, and the whine of RB211’s was an eargasm.

Well I think we’ve landed in a happy place, pardon the pun 👍
 
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Ifti

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Cant remember the last time I touched the physical mute switch. I always use control center. For me, it's just another place for dust to build up. I welcome the action button and the ability to set it to whatever is more useful for me. You can pretty much make it do whatever you want (using shortcuts).
 
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