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No pity.

So you'll steal the Vette because in YOUR OPINION is isn't worth the price they ask for it?.. What kind of twisted logic is that?...

There are alternatives, especially for your stated uses. If you don't like the price, buy something else, or use the freeware tools like GIMP.

I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.

Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.

If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one :p ), and wouldn't get caught, hell yeah I'd steal it.
 
As far as I know, they haven't stopped production of GoLive. It's still supposed to be out as a consumer app. It's never been a part of CS, has it?.. so your problem is?...

Wrong. GoLive has ALWAYS been part of the Creative Suite. (That's what "CS" means, as in GoLive CS2)
 
Acrobat 3D

I may find Acrobat 3D useful at some point, especially when version 8 comes out, and for you CAD users, the upgrade from version7 (and above) of Acrobat Pro is $545.

Gaining Acrobat Pro is possibly a good reason for some to consider a bundle that they might otherwise dismiss.
 
I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.

Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.

If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one :p ), and wouldn't get caught, hell yeah I'd steal it.

I don't think it is morally right that Adobe is doing what they are doing. (Pricing/bundling methods.)

However, two wrongs do not make a right. It is wrong to steal. No matter what, I won't steal the software.
 
And even small businesses aren't willing to drop >$1000 for this kind of program. What about relatively small print/mail shops which need Photoshop for color management, InDesign for opening/refining customer documents, and Acrobat Professional? These won't want to spend >$1000, though they are professionals.


They will already have licenses and won't be paying full retail as they'll be upgrading...

Christ, everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about this and Adobe haven't even announced upgrade prices yet which I bet will be very reasonable considering how much money you can earn with these tools.

This thread is full of the most ridiculous sky-is-falling hoo-ha.
 
I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.

Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.

If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one :p ), and wouldn't get caught, hell yeah I'd steal it.

Now isn't it comforting to know there are people like that out there?
 
Actually, looking at the upgrade table, the upgrade options aren't all that great. But I'll be getting a student discount, probably. Otherwise, it looks like I'll be spending >$1000. (Probably)

And even small businesses aren't willing to drop >$1000 for this kind of program. What about relatively small print/mail shops which need Photoshop for color management, InDesign for opening/refining customer documents, and Acrobat Professional? These won't want to spend >$1000, though they are professionals.

So there are people who will rightly complain. You cannot speak for everyone.

its the cost of business.

if they need a specific piece of software in order to run their business, then its a no brainer: you buy (or more likely upgrade) to the new software.

Besides, even a really small print shop could afford the $1000. If they can't, then they probably aren't doing the type of business (i.e. working with pros) that requires cs3.
 
its the cost of business.

if they need a specific piece of software in order to run their business, then its a no brainer: you buy (or more likely upgrade) to the new software.

Besides, even a really small print shop could afford the $1000. If they can't, then they probably aren't doing the type of business (i.e. working with pros) that requires cs3.

I know they can afford the $1000+. But they will delay it as long as possible. And meanwhile, the artists hired there will suffer with their MacBook Pros waiting for the UB version. As for upgrade - the upgrade options didn't look too good.

I'm hoping these pricings aren't real. (At least the upgrade ones)

Then again, as I'll probably get it educational anyway, it won't really matter, will it?
 
Well, the wait for Academic pricing is on.
If it's not less than $500 for a Premium suite or under $400 for Standard, I'm doing without :(

I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.

Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.

If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one :p ), and wouldn't get caught, hell yeah I'd steal it.

That's really sad. You'd do something that would harm others as long as you wouldn't get caught?
 
and you can't handle legitimacy. and i dont see brutal honesty, just brutal ignorance.

Oh I can handle legitimacy, and whenever possible pay for software. I just can't afford legitimacy in this case. :D

Although this is all really irrelevant for me for a variety of reasons, the most being that I'll just buy it from the University Computer Store, here CS2 is like $149, so one of the CS3s probably will be somewhere higher, but hopefully comparable.
 
Master Collection Upgrades

Perhaps I'm just missing something really obvious here, but the upgrade table confuses me on the CS3 Master Collection upgrades. It looks as though there is one upgrade for SRP $1,999 and another for SRP $1,399 which are both from the same applications (although CS 2.3 Premium is strangely not on the list for the cheaper upgrade). The cheaper upgrade also has three asterisks after "CS3 Master Collection" and yet there are no footnotes indicating what these mean. Is one the "upsell" and the other one the "upgrade"? It would be nice to know which of these prices is the actual upgrade price. (Apologies if this has already been asked and answered.)
 
Perhaps I'm just missing something really obvious here, but the upgrade table confuses me on the CS3 Master Collection upgrades. It looks as though there is one upgrade for SRP $1,999 and another for SRP $1,399 which are both from the same applications (although CS 2.3 Premium is strangely not on the list for the cheaper upgrade). The cheaper upgrade also has three asterisks after "CS3 Master Collection" and yet there are no footnotes indicating what these mean. Is one the "upsell" and the other one the "upgrade"? It would be nice to know which of these prices is the actual upgrade price. (Apologies if this has already been asked and answered.)

It hasn't been asked, but after googling, it seems that the two applications with the asterix are Windows-only, no Mac versions. Could that be it?
 
I know they can afford the $1000+. But they will delay it as long as possible. And meanwhile, the artists hired there will suffer with their MacBook Pros waiting for the UB version.

look, granted you can find exceptions to anything. but the fact is that you're missing the point of my post; if the software is worth your money, then what is the point of grumbling over the price? its not like moaning about it is going to make the price go down, or waiting to buy it make the $1199 charge any less expensive. in a nutshell, if the software is going to pay for itself, why should you be complaining about how expensive it was to begin with?
 
It hasn't been asked, but after googling, it seems that the two applications with the asterix are Windows-only, no Mac versions. Could that be it?

That would be a wretched thing if the Mac upgrade was $600 more expensive than the Windows version of the same product. It would almost certainly stop me from buying the upgrade.
 
They will already have licenses and won't be paying full retail as they'll be upgrading...

Christ, everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about this and Adobe haven't even announced upgrade prices yet which I bet will be very reasonable considering how much money you can earn with these tools.

This thread is full of the most ridiculous sky-is-falling hoo-ha.

Ignorance at it's best.

I'm sorry, but your personal situation is not the personal situation for everyone else who has a right to give out their opinion. I'm glad we've been out of the whole "The Sun turns around Earth" philosophy for hundreds of years, but it seems we haven't progressed much beyond the theory.

Again, you =/= everyone, simply said. Stop acting like your word is truth, it's not.

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As for the Suite itself, it's priced like I would've guessed it would, hopefully Academic won't be too bad, but if you're used to working with this software and can't use academic anymore, I feel bad for you =/
 
True, but what would a MacRumors thread be without everyone blowing things out of proportion? (Part of the fun of it, I guess.)


Actually, I think in the long run, it drives calmer and more reasoned posters away...

Bet they won't be bitching like this in prepressforums. ;)
 
You just can't handle brutal honesty.

we're all starting to sound really righteous here, but seriously...

stealing software is bad. it makes us legitimate users of software pay more. its the reason for the cs3 price hike. if you steal the software, then it clearly isn't worth your money, and you have no business using it.
 
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