Clap clap clap. Well done. First bit of sense I've read in this thread. Now we know who are the professionals around here, they are the ones not complaining.
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Adobe Creative Suite 3 (CS3) Pricing and Upgrades
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Clap clap clap. Well done. First bit of sense I've read in this thread. Now we know who are the professionals around here, they are the ones not complaining.
Take your personal beef elsewhere. I speak from experience and know the trade pretty well with almost 25 years experience in the business. You?
My opinion on this is valid and I notice that fellow pros in this thread happen to agree with me for the most part. So why don't you substantiate your argument with something of value?
I am not moaning or grumbling. I am just stating calmly that I believe it is wrong that it is priced so high. When would you complain? If it reached $7000 for the Premium bundle?
I just didn't like how they were bundling the software. And the upgrade prices posted don't list anything that can upgrade to Design Premium.
I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.
Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.
If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one), and wouldn't get caught, hell yeah I'd steal it.
Well, no morals, what should we expect?... I hope you live in a city far away, I wouldn't want you as a neighbor.
Not true. I bought Acad. Ver of CS suite but when CS2 came out decided I only need PS, and not the other apps. I had no problem getting the PS CS2 upgrade to install.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with believing that they've taken a Windows Vista stance on the different options available. When would I complain? When the price surpasses what a reasonable professional could no longer say that it is worth the money. As to the lack of upgrade prices to design premium, as in the speculative list that was released by a third party before the software has been released by the developer? I've got to believe that Adobe will offer some sort of upgrade/upsell options to design premium. and if they don't, one could always upgrade the individual apps that they feel are most necessary.
Its really not worth arguing the point any further. I have to get back to work. Thank you for your valid viewpoint.
$2499!!!
Thats a lot of money! Would rather buy a new Mac
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Thats a lot of money! Would rather buy a new Mac
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If I can butt in here ...
Assuming it's OK to put up with X11, then you can use Inkscape for vector graphics and Scribus for desktop publishing/page layout. They are both Free/Libre/Open Source.
I don't know how they compare to Adobe tools because I do not use those. But when I had a Mac*, I had both Scribus and Inkscape running under X11. I think you'll find them pretty good for some work.
* I'm a Linux guy myself. Sold my Powerbook recently. May get a MacBook or iMac later in the year.
Almost. Be a rebel, support the little guy... use QuarkXpress and stick it to the man.
I just emailed Adobe support about this
Acrobat 3D is windows/unix only at this point, and as I have pc's for my MCAD stuff, I emailed Adobe to see if my mac CS2 Premium 2.3 with Acrobat 2.3 will qualify me for the upgrade, and further, allow the registration process (which may require the CS2 disk). I wouldn't expect
Acrobat 3D is windows/unix only at this point, and as I have pc's for my MCAD stuff, I emailed Adobe to see if my mac CS2 Premium 2.3 with Acrobat 2.3 will qualify me for the upgrade, and further, allow the registration process (which may require the CS2 disk). I wouldn't expect
That is crap -- Fireworks has excellent integration with Flash, far better than photoshop or illustrator.
Yes this feature is available in InDesign.
Sorry, why would a professional design studio that uses Adobe apps be running Intel Macs now?
And if they can't afford software, why would they have shelled out for all-new hardware that a) doesn't have optimal-performing software available for it and b) would require the purchase of software later on that they can't afford?
This mooted design studio of yours can't exist anywhere in the real world and even if it did it won't for much longer with this extreme level of mismanagement.
Agreed. I don't like the prices either. And I want an upgrade to Design Premium. But I won't steal it.
And $7,000?.. someone would come out with a competitior.. Quark?...
You aren't realizing one small problem however: as Adobe has a monopoly, and everyone (figuratively) will need CS3, you might compare it (if it went MUCH father than it has now) to charging $1,000,000 for a transplant organ. The person will need the organ. It MUST be worth the money. But is it right to charge so much?
It sure seems to me a lot of the people arguing that using a text editor to manage a real website is viable must be kids who, at best, are working on MySpace pages or somesuch - they can't possibly really be responsible for a big site. I know I don't want to spend all my time editing simple web pages (as you say, secretary work). I need to spend most of my time writing Perl, working with MySQL, and doing server config/maintenance when necessary. Dreamweaver + Contribute lets me set up templates, then foist off the secretary work on the people who are closer to the information being presented anyway.
I use a text editor when I'm creating something new; but that's just the starting point. It goes to Dreamweaver as soon as possible.
Well said! I agree totally -- Dreamweaver is a great tool for custom built HTML sites with Flash and Multimedia integration and minimal database interaction.
You are correct that CMS's are best suited for dynamic content.
I have to laugh at "web developers" who still cling to the old "I write all my code from scratch" logic -- I recall those same attitudes 15 years ago regarding print production, art and design -- lots of those folks are unemployed now. Resistance to object-based open source design is astounding.
Yes it goes to Dreamweaver or a CMS as soon as possible -- well said.
That is how one makes money and best serves clients, for sure.
Thanks for echoing my sentiments exactly.
Old logic dies hard.
I pirate software all the time, I don't have any problems sleeping at night. They gouge their prices because pros will pay it. So the way I see it, by me pirating it, they're not losing a sale since I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
That's crap -- I remember that attitude -- I used to have it 15 years ago.
Thankfully I grew up.
I wouldn't steal the Vette, but I would steal software.
Why? Well, duh, because you won't get caught stealing software.
If I had the means to steal a Vette (if I didn't already own one
Luckily I know Karma is real and you are fooling yourself if you think it won't get you.
So when you have "bad luck," remember, your actions brought it upon you.
I think it is you who is running from Brutal honesty.
Go have another drink or smoke and forget about the little voice inside.
Your actions remind me of me long ago: My life is much better now that I face truth and ethics.
Enrollment is up!
I'll be enrolling in college again. Wow, that's expensive.
I wonder what their policy will be for cross platform upgrades? I have several Macromedia licenses for Windows, but all my Adobe packages are on the Mac. But we wantssss it all Mac precious!
I'll be enrolling in college again. Wow, that's expensive.
I wonder what their policy will be for cross platform upgrades? I have several Macromedia licenses for Windows, but all my Adobe packages are on the Mac. But we wantssss it all Mac precious!
Almost. Be a rebel, support the little guy... use QuarkXpress and stick it to the man.
The day I left Quark, after 12 years of use, was one of the better days of my life. I will stick to the monopoly in this case.
Thanks, BV. Don't know what I would do without someone to tell me what I want. Here's me thinking I can do things with PS and Illi that I couldn't do with Powerpoint and MacDraw...
The point is that the pros aren't paying full rate on this because they're either getting through their business, or upgrading a copy. Either way, they're at least getting a tax write-off because it's a business related expense.
There are no decent alternatives, which is where my complaint came from in the first place. I'm well aware that these are pro tools, and are priced as such. What's frustrating is that there is nothing filling the gap between the toys and the uber-apps and Adobe seems to have gone out of their way to bundle their products in a way that maximizes the expense for at home hobbyists.
Apple has done a much better job with their Express line of products. They found the small subset of features that the Pros need and tied the price to those.
Why are design types so condescending to amateurs? Is the business so cut-throat that you need to kill the weak and eat the young lest they become competition?
If it makes you feel any more secure, you won't be seeing my crappy design anywhere...
Almost. Be a rebel, support the little guy... use QuarkXpress and stick it to the man.
If you really know about Quark (the company) that has an entirely different meaning...
True... but it has major issues... it's gonna take Adobe years to cleanup that mess...
Maybe you'll see theBobcat hiding in the back of your classes, trying to steal an education....
I'm not telling you what you want. Someone asked what they could use to produce artwork that didn't cost the earth... I was in the middle of emailing for print quotes and posting on MR at the same time and just hurriedly threw back an answer.
Don't get too thin-skinned about it. It's not personally directed except at some of the more irrational posts in this thread from people who are wailing and gnashing their teeth at the injustice of it all... Join your local college for night-classes and get an edu license if that's what you need.
Saying that, I agree with you. There's certainly space for an InDesign Elements and possibly an Illustrator Elements, maybe we might see some developments soon.
Who? Fred?