At the beginning I was not interested in ipad... The "Steve Jobs ipads" were too heavy, limited and slow... My interested started with the ipad air in 2013.... Similarly I was not interested in surface pro 1 and 2, but the 2014 surface pro 3 made me buy one.... At that time I felt the surface was a superior device, faster, larger, much more versatile (with pen) and my ipad, while more portable, started collecting dust... But then with the pro, things started to change and while I have not bought another surface since, I have had quite a few ipad pros and minis... They complement my laptops and desktop and they are no longer slower than the surface and have pen support and better battery life, in addition to being more portable. And above all they are much less limited than before... And have LTE.... So while before I took a notebook (for lappability) and a surface for longer trips and just the surface for shorter (during the day) trips, now I take a notebook and an ipad or just a LTE ipad pro... Post-Jobs ipads have improved massively, surface has not from the pro 3 on...
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iPad Pro After years of bashing Microsoft, Apple is finally copying Microsoft
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yes, and a 10in surface was what Microsoft need to compete with the ipad pro 11 in terms of portability for use on the go... and instead they created that crap with big bezels, slow CPU and poor battery life... Even the keyboard is worse than the ipad smart keyboard...
Mess? I'd wager that the Surface Pro line has replaced far more traditional laptops than any iPad has.
They didn’t copy Microsoft with their cursor control. It looks like Apple invented a whole new paradigm with how the cursor behaves which is unlike Windows or even Mac. The question is how long before Microsoft copies THAT.
Like that big circle on iOS 13 that can’t do squat? Mouse is meant for precision control, the iOS way is terrible.
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Sounds like that is changing in 13.4, at least improved, thank God.
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Microsoft need make the 10 inch version more like their bigger version. I would love Microsoft put new AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile chip with their Vega graphics. It would be perfect.
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Not interested. I am gonna keep iOS 12 on my iPad Pro 3rd gen. I am going to skip iOS 13 and see how iOS 14 performance.
Then you're bashing the performance while choosing to skip the improvements. Hard to sympathize with your feelings.
Couldn't you say Microsoft has copied Apple with the entire Surface line? From unibody aluminum to high resolution display to the whole tablet idea?
The entire industry is inbred to some degree. I just see an evolution of the iPad, likely in response to consumer feedback and demand.
The entire industry is inbred to some degree. I just see an evolution of the iPad, likely in response to consumer feedback and demand.
Improvement does not mean jack to me when the performances is terrible. Sorry, iOS 13 is terrible, it is iOS 11 level of bad.
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Tablet isn’t Apple‘s idea. This has been said over and over again
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Yes. Unfortunately my iPad Pro was updated to iOS by mistake. I was constantly bombarded with update notice and I mistakenly installed iOS 13 on that iPad Pro. I wasn’t pay attention because i was side tracked. And oh boy, iOS 13 is terrible on iPad Pro 9.7
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Really sounds like iPad isn‘t for you. Your tirade is sinking to just rudeness.
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I have a Surface Pro (5th generation) and an iPad 7th generation. I like the Surface Pro but I almost always just use it as a laptop. It’s pretty heavy to use as a tablet, Windows 10 is pretty clunky to use as a touch OS IMO, there doesn’t seem to be many apps designed for touch use, and the battery life is probably about half of what my iPad gets. It is great as an ultra portable full Windows PC laptop, the screen is great and the kickstand and type cover work great.
My iPad 7th gen I love to use on the couch or in bed to play games, browse, watch videos, it also has a nice screen, and the battery lasts very long. Despite being the lowest end iPad it to me generally seems to run smoother and faster than the Surface too. At this time I’d say I like having both but one day I’d consider an iPad Pro if iPad OS progresses to the point where I don’t have to worry about it’s limitations, but it’s not quite there yet though has gotten closer. Basically Surface = great ultrabook, ok tablet. iPad = great tablet, ok ultrabook.
My iPad 7th gen I love to use on the couch or in bed to play games, browse, watch videos, it also has a nice screen, and the battery lasts very long. Despite being the lowest end iPad it to me generally seems to run smoother and faster than the Surface too. At this time I’d say I like having both but one day I’d consider an iPad Pro if iPad OS progresses to the point where I don’t have to worry about it’s limitations, but it’s not quite there yet though has gotten closer. Basically Surface = great ultrabook, ok tablet. iPad = great tablet, ok ultrabook.
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I have a Dell XPS 13 with a touch display but never use the touch aspect of it - Win10 just feels a lot better with a mouse for me.
So a tablet running iOS (okay ipad os but whatever) that is mostly touch based but now allows limited use of a cursor is now...the same as a surface pro? On what planet are you on? For that logic to even be remotely true, apple would have had to make a hybrid Mac OS tablet. Literally all apple did was release a better keyboard with a trackpad while its main focus is still to be used as a tablet. We don’t have a heavier device with cooling fans, we don’t have a full blown desktop os trying to squeeze into a small space. No. We have...a cursor.
I swear people confuse the hell out of me. People go on and on about what ipad is missing and when apple is responsive and adds new features, people still find a reason to complain.
I swear people confuse the hell out of me. People go on and on about what ipad is missing and when apple is responsive and adds new features, people still find a reason to complain.
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I'm a fan of Microsoft, but I actually never saw Apple "discrediting Microsoft's Surface line." Do you mind pointing out where Apple specifically diss the Surface products in any of their ads/keynotes? In fact is the other way around, with Microsoft having ads pitting the Surface products against Apple iPads and Macbooks.
Ok, so tldr, you really like the Surface and decided to crap on Apple a bit. I get it, a lot of other Microsoft fans also feel insecure.
Personally, I think the iPad and the Surface are very different devices. Also, like, didn’t Microsoft copy Apple with the pointer and the mouse in the first place? And didn’t they copy the trackpad gestures? The industry is full of competitors copying one another, and it’s not a bad thing. The important thing here is that iPadOS is now even better, for those of us who prefer it over, say, Windows.
This in a way reminds me of the phablet. Samsung may technically have been first with larger phones, but nobody really remembers, and nobody truly cares. Apple ended up being the one to truly define / redefine the market due to their ability to deliver a polished user experience based on their control over hardware, software and services.
Today, being first accounts for very little on Samsung’s part, with their sales in the gutter, and Apple continuing its stranglehold on the premium segment of the market.
Same here. Microsoft may have been first with the 2-in-1 concept, but they really dropped the ball when it came to implementation. Nobody believed in Microsoft’s vision when they tried to market it, all we saw were memes of angry coaches slam-dropping their surface tablets into the ground, and the product basically never sold. It was a passable laptop, and a crappy tablet.
Conversely, the ipad started off as a very capable tablet (ecosystem and all), and each update has given it additional laptop-like functionality that strips away traditional pain points one by one. Today, the ipad has the largest App Store with the best tablet apps,
In a sense, this is a very Microsoft-like theme. They do have great ideas, but are often too early or too late to the market, and their inability to inspire the market and garner buy-in often means they will fail in the area where it counts the most - developer support.
I guess there is some truth in the age-old saying - history is written by the victors. Like I said - Microsoft may have been first, but they sure didn’t seem to have been able to leverage their first-mover status into any meaningful advantage.
Before Apple put Files.app on iOS, people say iPad should do iPad thing, if you need file app, you should go some where else. Then Apple put files. app on iOS.
Before Apple add mouse support, people say iPad should be touch first, mouse is not needed. Adding mouse support will discourage developer optimize for touch. Then Apple add mouse support. iPad should be iPad, not Mac.
If it is not abundant clear, Apple is trying to combine iPad and Mac. This is where they are going for. Adding mouse support, Mac Catalyst (Apple's version of Microsoft's universal app), rumored ARM processor switch.
Surface has always been Surface, it is versatile 2 in 1 devices. It is Apple following Microsoft's step by gradually adding laptop thing to iPad.
About phablet, Apple did not " Apple ended up being the one to truly define / redefine the market due to their ability to deliver a polished user experience based on their control over hardware, software and services." iOS is still not taking advantage of all screen real estate. It has been years that since Android put widgets, split screen multitasking on phanblet, where iOS is still pretty much in stand still. Apple did not advance the functionality of phanlet nor Apple redefined market.
