Age old debate, seriously why do people hate macs/apple?

[GKDAIR]

Ok, let it be known I classify myself as a geek. Big Bang theory makes me laugh because I actually get the jokes. I like discussion fictional video game wars with friends, like empire and stoarmcloaks, and doing geeky things.

However I have a love affair with apple. I love all of their products.

I don't understand why people hate mac computers. Besides people who want the best graphics possible for their video games (seriously I'm 20 years old..the most video gaming I do is on an iPhone or my 3DS) who else would hate macs, they are virtually better to Windows machines in every way,

I know that may sound fan boyish but seriously, besides VIDEO GAMEZ thing what are other peoples problems with macs?

 

[simsaladimbamba]

Why do people hate anything?
































Ignorance.

 

[GKDAIR]

Thats true. And I don't mean to sound faboyish I really don't

But I've used literally nothing but windows computers since my birth, well my dad had an old apple, that I didn't even know was an apple until I was older.

So its not like I have no experience with windows. Ive used windows for over 19 years of my life.

 

[BreakGuy]

Ok, let it be known I classify myself as a geek. Big Bang theory makes me laugh because I actually get the jokes.

I don't think one must be a geek to understand the jokes on The Big Bang Theory... if that was the case, it wouldn't have renewed for season after season.

However I have a love affair with apple. I love all of their products.

As do many other people.

I don't understand why people hate mac computers. Besides people who want the best graphics possible for their video games (seriously I'm 20 years old..the most video gaming I do is on an iPhone or my 3DS) who else would hate macs, they are virtually better to Windows machines in every way,

They're only better in certain aspects. Windows is far superior to OS X when it comes to gaming functionality and compatibility.

I know that may sound fan boyish but seriously, besides VIDEO GAMEZ thing what are other peoples problems with macs?

I can't speak for everyone else.

 

[Foogoofish]

People will always say what they have spent their hard earned money on is the best for them, otherwise they wouldn't have justified buying it.

It's that simple.

Oh and a lot of people can't afford mac desktops / can't justify spending the money on it. It all comes down to what you believe is best for you....and you will defend that over all else, by saying everything else is carp. Otherwise you would look like an idiot.

As we all know, the best form of defence is offence. Flame the mac's - ignore your idiocy at buying a mid range Dell over an i5 Mac Mini xP

 

[roadbloc]

Not everyone has to like something. Macs do have quite a few disadvantages over PCs. The same as how PCs have quite a few disadvantages to Macs. Depends what your priorities are in a computer.

 

[BreakGuy]

Oh and a lot of people can't afford mac desktops / can't justify spending the money on it. It all comes down to what you believe is best for you....and you will defend that over all else, by saying everything else is carp. Otherwise you would look like an idiot.

As we all know, the best form of defence is offence. Flame the mac's - ignore your idiocy at buying a mid range Dell over an i5 Mac Mini xP

I highlighted the two statements here that contradict each other.

 

[Foogoofish]

Thank you, but if you look closely and stop being a tutor, then you will see one is a reason, and the other an opinion.

You get a gold star if you can tell the difference.




.....sigh

 

[BreakGuy]

Thank you, but if you look closely and stop being a tutor, then you will see one is a reason, and the other an opinion.

You get a gold star if you can tell the difference.




.....sigh

So you're saying that people are idiots for living within their means, buying what they can afford and what will meet their needs?

 

[Foogoofish]

No. Seriously.


Point 1. People defend what they buy.


Point 2. People don't always make the most informed choices, but defend what they buy, even though they may know it was not the best choice.



So, that goes in like this:

Point 1. It all comes down to what you believe is best for you. <---- people THINK they know best when they buy.

Point 2. ...mid range Dell over an i5 Mac Mini. <---- They may not ACTUALLY know best. Again, my opinion!



Sorted that for ya?

 

[KnightWRX]

However I have a love affair with apple. I love all of their products.

That's a problem. These are immaterial things, objects. Love/Hate should not apply to them. Today, I use a Mac, tomorrow ? Might be something else. Whatever does the job I need to do.

In the end, I need a computer to accomplish tasks. I don't sit there using "the computer" or "the OS", I get tasks done. Any OS can do that, any computer can. The question is, which one does it best for me ? And frankly, choosing any computer doesn't mean I hate others. Choosing one computer doesn't mean I love it either.

 

[BreakGuy]

No. Seriously.


Point 1. People defend what they buy.


Point 2. People don't always make the most informed choices, but defend what they buy, even though they may know it was not the best choice.



So, that goes in like this:

Point 1. It all comes down to what you believe is best for you. <---- people THINK they know best when they buy.

Point 2. ...mid range Dell over an i5 Mac Mini. <---- They may not ACTUALLY know best. Again, my opinion!



Sorted that for ya?

Of course people are going to defend their actions whether they made the right choice or in someone else's view, not. No-one likes to admit that they screwed up and they defend their purchase to make themselves feel better about what they've done. Completely normal human characteristic, if you ask me. Hell, if I've spent money I'm gonna defend my purchase even if I do know I could have spent it on something better. Last thing I want is to feel bad about what I've "wasted" my money on.

 

[0000757]

Most of the arguments are the price, and of course we know the price is because of the materials.

Some of my other computer pals dislike the structure. They say it's too simple for the user, and when you actually get into the mains structure, it's too complex. I agree, it is too complex.

My programming friends say that writing non-native apps, a la Java, is too complex. I have no experience.

Of course, my computer friends respect my choice for a MacBook (I'm a graphic artist and Videographer), and they don't hate Macs, they just have a few gripes. I've encountered Apple haters online, but never a full one in the real world.

 

[KnightWRX]

Some of my other computer pals dislike the structure. They say it's too simple for the user, and when you actually get into the mains structure, it's too complex. I agree, it is too complex.

Uh ? How is it more complex than Windows ? Can you name the 6 AD roles ? What the different registry hives are ? The role of the lsass.exe process ? What the SAM database is, what it does ?

What can you accomplish with Powershell ? How do you kill a runaway process that is running under the "system" user without rebooting ? Why can't administrator simply do it with the Task Manager ?

OS X and Windows, "under the hood" aren't much more friendly or complex than each other. They're different. OS X has the advantage of being Unix though, so most of it can be figured out by competent BSD, Solaris, HP-UX or even Linux folk. Windows is... well Windows. You have to know Windows to figure it out (I've done systems administration of both, though my strengths and current interest is in Unix, I was forced at one time to do the Windows stuff). Heck, I've encountered Windows systems administrators that didn't know what a registry hive was, how it worked on NT and how to unload part of it dynamically without a reboot (yes, I saved a Citrix farm node from an emergency reboot for a "stuck user" by simply unloading the user's hive... to much the astonishment of the whole Windows team... *sigh*).

Heck, I'd say Windows is more complicated. The Event Viewer and the event database are a nightmare to work with compared to flat text files for debugging. All the tools you need to work are separate downloads (back in the days, the process tools, filemon and regmon by sysinternals, powershell before Windows Server 2008) or used to be so convulted (regedit.exe vs regedt32.exe, why 2 tools, with different features for the same god damn thing! Thank god Microsoft merged those) that you needed to have used them to even know they existed. Binary databases/files galore, requiring GUIs upon GUIs to edit (forget simply deploying nice text files and automation scripts most of the time) and a retarded scheduler to anyone who's used cron and crontabs to do anything.

My programming friends say that writing non-native apps, a la Java, is too complex.

What is more complex about writing Java code on OS X than on Windows or Linux ? You install the same IDE (Eclipse, Netbeans, IntelliJ, JDeveloper) the same Oracle runtime, the commands are the same (java, javac, jar)...

Maybe your programming friends just don't quite know what they are doing...

 

[MorphingDragon]

Maybe your programming friends just don't quite know what they are doing...

Well they are coding in Java...

I've stopped caring for Windows administration. I still do Workstation management but that's about it. I've been considering getting my RedHat Architect, cause I'm too lazy to learn the stuff in my own time. Plus I can get a Law Firm to pay the fees.

 

[arkitect]

That's a problem. These are immaterial things, objects. Love/Hate should not apply to them. Today, I use a Mac, tomorrow ? Might be something else. Whatever does the job I need to do.

In the end, I need a computer to accomplish tasks. I don't sit there using "the computer" or "the OS", I get tasks done. Any OS can do that, any computer can. The question is, which one does it best for me ? And frankly, choosing any computer doesn't mean I hate others. Choosing one computer doesn't mean I love it either.

Exactly my view as well.

I use whatever computer system I need to get my job done and bread on my table… (jam on top would be good )
"Love" I leave for my family and friends and pets.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well they are coding in Java...

In all seriousness, we have a pretty big internal J2EE workshop here, mostly WebSphere stuff. Java is a big beast, with now tons of frameworks to know and demystify to get anything accomplished. Heck, just figuring out base J2EE can be a royal pain in the ... :

So frankly, anyone that comes up to me and says "Java development is more complicated on X platform than Y platform" frankly has no clue about Java alltogether. The tools are all written in Java and are all identical platform to platform thank god. The complexities lie in figuring out the actual stack.

 

[maflynn]

However I have a love affair with apple. I love all of their products.

The same reason you love it, but the inverse. Why do you love them?

tbh, I think the age of hating macs or even PCs for the most part is long gone. Most people realize they're just tools to get your work (or play) done.

 

[MorphingDragon]

In all seriousness, we have a pretty big internal J2EE workshop here, mostly WebSphere stuff. Java is a big beast, with now tons of frameworks to know and demystify to get anything accomplished. Heck, just figuring out base J2EE can be a royal pain in the ... :

So frankly, anyone that comes up to me and says "Java development is more complicated on X platform than Y platform" frankly has no clue about Java alltogether. The tools are all written in Java and are all identical platform to platform thank god. The complexities lie in figuring out the actual stack.

I've actually suggested that the University I attend teaches basic Java EE, "Cloud" Development and Server Administration as a 4th year Web Development paper. They haven't said anything yet, but students have helped designed other papers before.

 

[KnightWRX]

tbh, I think the age of hating macs or even PCs for the most part is long gone. Most people realize they're just tools to get your work (or play) done.

It's not done at all. Most people have always realized that. It's just that in the 90s, with Apple almost dying and Classic MacOS being such a retarded old and obsolete product, most people just stayed away. You were left with the core, die hard people like the OP, which attached emotional objectives to a computing platform. Now that Macs are back to mainstream, the "most people" category are just back.

Xbox vs PS3, Mac vs PC, Emacs vs VI, Nintendo vs Sega, Coleco vs Atari, Jean-Luc Picard vs James T. Kirk, Star Wars vs Star Trek, this stuff will always exist for the few who want to participate in such pointless subjective debate.

 

[steve2112]

It's not a problem with the computers. Well, OK, maybe a bit. As KnightWRX pointed out, Windows is actually much more complicated, especially on an enterprise level. A lot of hard core geek types take pride in being able to tweak Windows 100 different ways.

A bigger problem is Mac users. If some of the people posting around here actually act like that in real life, I'm surprised they don't get beat up every day. The arrogance and snobbish behavior I have encountered from Mac users never ceases to amaze me.

 

[yg17]

In all seriousness, we have a pretty big internal J2EE workshop here, mostly WebSphere stuff. Java is a big beast, with now tons of frameworks to know and demystify to get anything accomplished. Heck, just figuring out base J2EE can be a royal pain in the ... :

So frankly, anyone that comes up to me and says "Java development is more complicated on X platform than Y platform" frankly has no clue about Java alltogether. The tools are all written in Java and are all identical platform to platform thank god. The complexities lie in figuring out the actual stack.

Java is fine. I like Java. It's Websphere that needs to die a long, slow, painful death.

 

[KnightWRX]

It's Websphere that needs to die a long, slow, painful death.

What do you propose to replace it ? Oracle IAS is as much a pain, JBoss is a complete turd, Tomcat alone isn't as feature complete...

Frankly, they all suck. Better the devil you know.

 

[*LTD*]

Look where the "hate" is coming from. In, say, an Apple dominated industry, which consumer/IT worker stands to lose, and which stands to gain?

You'll quickly understand the root of "Apple hate", who's perpetuating it, and what it is a reaction to. And you'll also see it has no rational basis, and certainly does not have the average user's best interests at heart.

 

[Bernard SG]

Look where the "hate" is coming from. In, say, an Apple dominated industry, which consumer/IT worker stands to lose, and which stands to gain?

You'll quickly understand the root of "Apple hate", who's perpetuating it, and what it is a reaction to. And you'll also see it has no rational basis, and certainly does not have the average user's best interests at heart.

I'm not sure to fully agree... The Apple-hate largely predates Apple's successful years.