Speaking of rabid fans... Good lord, way too early in the morning to read such vitriol.
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Age old debate, seriously why do people hate macs/apple?
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Ad hominem attack.
And I would have tougher that “examples, stats and exhibits” were the proper way adults would discuss.
I see 4:44 PM on my clock.
I'm not attacking you, and in fact based on your posting habits you're very consistent (which is a good thing). I'm just saying that you defend apple to the bitter end. I also mentioned I respect your opinions. I may not always agree but I respect them.
Thanks!
But please don’t use that expression, because while it might be accurate, it’s widely used as a trumps card when there is no argument possible.
I'll tell you why people hate Macs and Apple. Not to say that I do.
I find it's usually the fanbase that turns people away. The way I see it is that most Apple users (or fanboys, so to speak) are often arrogant, too absorbed into Apple and have a tenancy to bash anything that isn't Apple.
I do not like it when Windows is bashed because there is no reason to bash it. I find it to be stable and solid, and since the release of Windows 8, incredibly fast.
What's worse is that, not only do fanboys bash and rail the competition, they also bash and rail the users of opposing products and companies, which is truly crossing the line. Maybe I use Windows as my main system for a few good reasons? Maybe it works for me and I like how it is? I did happen to buy my Macs for a reason as well, and if I had the money, I'd go out and buy myself a new iMac to replace my current Mac.
What this fanboyism seems to instill is that Apple causes people to become like this, which, in a lot of cases, seems to be true.
I'm not saying that I hate Apple but I'm surely going to get yelled at for posting this.
hmm.. you seem to be someone of peace
Windows and Mac both have their issues... Apple (doesn't play like with network attached storage devices) and everything works best when everything is Apple.... including Back to my Mack (i mean Mac) full support which third parties don't support..
But the high price tag always was a *knock on wood* forever as an excuse why people hate Mac's... so the legend lives on.
This resonates with me. I've been seeing so much of this over the past year or so that Apple just makes me a bit queasy now. I don't know if it's because I quit my full time job to become a student and can no longer afford stuff (anything!!) but there are some people who will happily, mindlessly empty their wallet for Apple. People who are completely blind to being ripped off. Not only is Apple tax real, but Apple products in their current form really aren't that great value for money. Tim Cook's Apple is only interested in ripping people off, it's nothing like Jobs' Apple...the customer is no longer most important, it's Apple's bank balance. It's sad that many are unable to see that. Maybe I'm just being more objective (and mature with money) these days.
My MacBook Pro from back in 2012 was no longer able to keep up with my uni work, and so I built a PC for just over £900. I did look into buying another Mac, but the cost for a comparable machine was completely outrageous - not that I didn't already know that before looking. Also the fact that lots of the software I use is Windows-only, I just couldn't justify a Mac. But honestly, Windows 10 is the best form Windows has ever been in, and this is coming from someone who used to truly hate the OS. It looks sleek and clean and modern, and they've cut out a lot of the crap. It's a viable alternative to Mac. I'll also add that the PC is a mini-ITX form, in a very small sleek black box from Thermaltake, so PCs can also look great. I told myself if I was building a PC, I wanted to keep things minimalistic and tidy as possible.
But I digress. I think I made my point.
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Typically Macs don't play well with NAS's, because you are using SMB sharing, if you were using AFP (Apple with open source implementation), NFS (Sun open standard with open source implementation), WebDAV (IETF open standard) shares, it works extremely well.
Why SMB doesn't work well? It's simple, it's Microsoft and closed-source and secret standard.
So Apple, GNU (called "Linux"), etc. need to reverse-engineer Microsoft's protocol, to work with SMB shares. Apple made their own reverse-engineered version, and GNU made their own (samba).
Why Apple needed to do that? Because Microsoft is Microsoft, and Windows only supports this protocol. Most NAS manufacturers support SMB because of Windows marketshare, and themselves are using a reverse-engineered version of the protocol.
So, if you want good compatibility, seriously, get a decent NAS, I'm using FreeNAS (free software) on a x86 computer (cheaper than NAS boxes), and it works 100% perfectly on my High Sierra Mac with SMB, and I don't even have to use AFP.
But of course, it's Apple's fault, they don't want to play nice, amirite?
I have never understood this line of reasoning. Apple, like any other company, prices its products according to what it thinks the market will bear. That Apple is as profitable as it is shows that even at their current pricing, there is still no shortage of people willing to buy their products precisely because they feel there is value in it.
If I think the prices at a particular restaurant is too high, I will simply eat at a cheaper joint. If I find the price of a movie ticket too much, then I will go without. If I can't afford a Ferrari, I will get a Honda Civic. No one is pointing a gun to my head and forcing me to spend that much money on any of them, much less Apple products.
Apple products aren't cheap, but I still find them reasonably priced for what they offer. They may have cost more upfront, but I find that over the years, they have more than paid for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer problems overall.
If your needs can be met with cheaper alternatives, then use them by all means. Why do so many critics like to sound like they have been living in the matrix all this while and only just woken up recently?
I think you missed my point.
I stated there's an apple tax, i.e., apple products tend to be more expensive. I agree that they position their products as a premium product and its priced as such and that has worked for them.
Because they are myopic and fail to see the bigger picture.
They see an Apple product costing more than the next equivalent, and go on to assume that it is Apple trying to fleece us. Not considering the value add that the Apple product in question has over the competition.
Never mind that AirPods are actually as much as half the price of some other wireless earbuds in the market. Or that the total cost of ownership of a Mac actually isn't all that far off once you factor in the resale price and the warranty, or all the free / cheap software which comes with it.
Their criticism of Apple products is nothing new. And it will continue to blind them to the truth of why Apple is as successful as it is.
They're obsessed because FPS is a delicate bend of specs. I like PC building and PC gamers because everything they do is personal even if the parts used are common there are thousands of variations of the perfect gaming setup.
As a consumer I agree that Dells service is atrocious and you can't apologize your way out of it, the flip side is that unless you live in the states or near an Apple store Apples service isn't significantly better. I will say on behalf of Dell and HP if you are a business customer their service is a couple orders of magnitude better than Apples.
Apple's pricing for me does not intimidate, however the diminishing value the Mac currently represents is adding up to ever poorer value, especially for a large number of professionals. Many now are either holding onto ageing hardware or switching to the Windows platform, as Apple is either incapable or has no interest in serving it's professional community in a rational manner.
As for the fans, some are more to be pitied than scorned, having so much emotional investment in a tech company whose priority is to serve the stockholder not the customer. Personally I find it to be a little "sad" that they feel so absolutely compelled to rush in and defend Apple at any cost. All too frequently fragmenting and killing intelligent debate, up to and even resulting in threads being locked...
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Having sold HP for nearly 15 years, I will agree with you on HP's service while I was selling their stuff. I didn't have a complaint about their service. We usually got things right when they said it would be done, and never had a bad part sent to us, unlike Dell... Dell was awful! And my mom had a Dell (my sisters brilliant idea) and she shipped it to me because she was having 'issues'. To get support for it, I had to have her call Dell and give her permission for them to talk about her system. Really? It was a Walmart POS, and she had to call Dell to give me permission to help her? Talk about drama!
The true hero, to us, was the Toughbook people. We sent in a Toughbook for a replacement powersupply connector on the MB, fully looking to have a huge quote. While waiting for that quote, we received a notice that we had a package incoming from the area near where the machine was sent. Curious, we waited. The Toughbook arrived, with a new power connector on the mother board, and the whole outside shell replaced, and a new screen. No charge. 'Covered'. That thing was beaten to hell, working in an industrial area, and they stood firmly behind it, and owned the failure, and fixed more than I'd have considered reasonable, but who were we to argue. The client bought a few more after that. Good marketing by Toughbook (Panasonic?)...
I really dislike the term "Apple Tax." First, it assumes that all taxes are a bad thing - that you get no services or benefits in exchange for the funds. In today's political environment, it also implies that government is necessarily bad. Since I don't agree with either of those premises, "Apple Tax" carries a lot of baggage for me.
Now, those who use the term, IMO, are either ignoring the baggage (the ease of invoking a commonly-used term), or are intentionally invoking the baggage for inflammatory purpose.
Now, those who use the term, IMO, are either ignoring the baggage (the ease of invoking a commonly-used term), or are intentionally invoking the baggage for inflammatory purpose.
Hide that offensive logo....
Amusing bit from today's eclipse coverage.
The NASA TV live feed showed the "Eclipse Central team in Charleston" - and the "booth babe" had an Apple laptop (old model, with the glowing Apple logo).
The amusing part was that after a cut to one of the west coast feeds, she had a meatball on her Apple laptop. Crew covered the offensive logo with a NASA decal during the cutover.
No more Apple.... And in the replay available online the earlier segment with the Apple logo is gone. (The cute guy on the left had a meatball on his 17" laptop from the beginning.)
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If you want a 15" screen on an Apple laptop - you end up with a bunch of other premium items. You can't get 13" specs with a 15" screen.
If you want a faster CPU - you end up with a 15" screen. You can't get a 13" screen with a faster CPU.
Amusing bit from today's eclipse coverage.
The NASA TV live feed showed the "Eclipse Central team in Charleston" - and the "booth babe" had an Apple laptop (old model, with the glowing Apple logo).
The amusing part was that after a cut to one of the west coast feeds, she had a meatball on her Apple laptop. Crew covered the offensive logo with a NASA decal during the cutover.
No more Apple.... And in the replay available online the earlier segment with the Apple logo is gone. (The cute guy on the left had a meatball on his 17" laptop from the beginning.)
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To me the "Apple tax" is often just feature bundling.
If you want a 15" screen on an Apple laptop - you end up with a bunch of other premium items. You can't get 13" specs with a 15" screen.
If you want a faster CPU - you end up with a 15" screen. You can't get a 13" screen with a faster CPU.
Why not call it the Ford, GM, Volkswagen, Toyota, Mercedes, etc. Tax? HP, Dell, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, GE... They, and everyone else in consumer products does the same, or at least similar.
The Honda dealership we bought our latest car from only had sunroof-equipped Civics. I couldn't care less about a sunroof. I've had several cars with sunroofs. Didn't like the extra solar heat gain, don't like the potential for leakage.... but that's one of the options the dealership decided its customers would pay for and not object too strenuously to. That's called "dealer pack." At the manufacturer level, there's the classic tactic of making a desirable option part of a deluxe option package, forcing you to buy several other features that you don't want or need.
Do I like the practice? Not particularly. I'd rather pay for exactly what I want, and have no fluff. I'm just not going to call it an Apple Tax. It's the "tax" levied by nearly every manufacturer when they have a customer pre-sold on their product.
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I bought an Escape that had literally every option offered - big turbo engine, navigation package, active safety package.... I liked the color, and wanted every option but the heavy duty towing package. But, when I'm going to Las Vegas in 50° heat the bigger radiators and oil coolers are a good thing even if there's nothing behind the car. (The dealer had one without the towing package, but its color would not have been a good fit for my neighbourhood.)
And it has the "panorama sunroof" so the both front and read seat passengers can look up.
When I bought my Dell Precision Workstation, I got exactly what I wanted - not force fed extras.
Couldn't do that with Apple. Couldn't even get what I needed, independent of "dealer pack". The 6,1 Mac Pro was a disaster.
Sounds like your issue is with what your local Honda dealer ordered.
I bought an Escape that had literally every option offered - big turbo engine, navigation package, active safety package.... I liked the color, and wanted every option but the heavy duty towing package. But, when I'm going to Las Vegas in 50° heat the bigger radiators and oil coolers are a good thing even if there's nothing behind the car. (The dealer had one without the towing package, but its color would not have been a good fit for my neighbourhood.)
And it has the "panorama sunroof" so the both front and read seat passengers can look up.
When I bought my Dell Precision Workstation, I got exactly what I wanted - not force fed extras.
Couldn't do that with Apple. Couldn't even get what I needed, independent of "dealer pack". The 6,1 Mac Pro was a disaster.