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MonkeySee....

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Sep 24, 2010
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I hate Apple...













...for not purposly seeking me out to buy their products. :D I'm in my 30's now and only got my first Mac in 2010. I've wasted far too much of my life on Windows.
 

Ariii

macrumors 6502a
Jan 26, 2012
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Oh, I just found something by Neal Stephenson on that! He has this book called In the Beginning... was the Command Line and he has some good points about that. It's posted on the internet, so it should be easy to find just by googling it.
 

LOLZpersonok

macrumors 6502a
Aug 10, 2012
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I'll tell you why people hate Macs and Apple. Not to say that I do.

I find it's usually the fanbase that turns people away. The way I see it is that most Apple users (or fanboys, so to speak) are often arrogant, too absorbed into Apple and have a tenancy to bash anything that isn't Apple.

I do not like it when Windows is bashed because there is no reason to bash it. I find it to be stable and solid, and since the release of Windows 8, incredibly fast.

What's worse is that, not only do fanboys bash and rail the competition, they also bash and rail the users of opposing products and companies, which is truly crossing the line. Maybe I use Windows as my main system for a few good reasons? Maybe it works for me and I like how it is? I did happen to buy my Macs for a reason as well, and if I had the money, I'd go out and buy myself a new iMac to replace my current Mac.

What this fanboyism seems to instill is that Apple causes people to become like this, which, in a lot of cases, seems to be true.

I'm not saying that I hate Apple but I'm surely going to get yelled at for posting this. :cool:
 

decafjava

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Feb 7, 2011
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I agree with you but lately I find some of the competition, especially some android users to be acting like the Mac fanatics of yore.
 

Doward

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Feb 21, 2013
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I'll comment on this one.

I've never considered a Mac until recently (when I got my BTO 17" MBP). Not because of Apple, or Mac, but because of the Apple Community.

There is such a huge portion of my interaction since the early 90s of this 'holier than thou / my crap don't stink' attitude that I never wanted anything to do with anything Apple related.

Now, I ended up with a MacBook Pro, simply because the only other thing close to it in form factor (the Razer Blade) would have cost me $1100 more than what I paid. I'll deal with the nose-in-the-air attitude for $1100 ;)

That said, I'm also glad to say that I've found that attitude isn't the overwhelming majority as I thought - it's simply (in my experience) the basic majority. I've met and talked with quite a few individuals since owning my MacBook Pro, that aren't obsessed fanboys, and it's quite refreshing.

Apple's hardware is simply superior to the vast majority of PC manufacturers.

OSX is what Linux could be with a strong guiding hand.

For me, it's a very luring combination (extremely nice hardware + UNIX? Yes, please.)

That said, it doesn't hurt that I hate Windows with a passion (long term Linux user here)
 

SolarYoda

macrumors newbie
Nov 17, 2013
12
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Seriously, I gave Mac a really good, long chance. But while I admire the beautiful screens and quality hardware design, in the end, if you have a crappy OS X, the aesthetics are not enough. Here's my feedback, having been a lifelong PC user who switched to Mac for a year and back to Windows again (and never again to Mac). Note I don't do graphic design, programming, or gaming on my computers.

- The Dock

The dock is clunky and does nothing compared with Windows taskbar. The taskbar lets you pin quickly (files, folders, program, anything), skip between working docs/programs/anything, autohides, and keep track of programs running in the background that you've minimalised that may not have an open window. If you like to work fast and multitask, I don't know how you can prefer Mac to PC if you have really, really tried using both. Hot Corners can't make up for the Mac's abysmal features for simply switching between programs quickly. Okay, you can use the keyboard shortcuts to skip between programs and open windows, but this doesn't make full use of the 'visual' nature of windows-based OSs...which is why, again, having all your working windows visible and quickly accessible on the taskbar wins hands down. Note that in Mac you can also right click the App icon on the Dock to see open documents and programs but the Win layout when you choose 'Never Combine icons' under Taskbar>Properties means every single open window/document/program has its own icon on the taskbar, so you can access every working file/window with literally just one click.

The taskbar also lets you show desktop with a quick click. You can go to the Start page from there as well, with just a click. EASY. Hot Corners let you do the same thing but the windows remain at the top corner until you go to the hot corner again. You have to minimise them to mimic what the one-click motion in Windows achieves.

- File Management

You can't create files in folders in Mac. You have to actually go to the program, create a file, and save to the directory. To me this is a complete waste of the 'visual' approach of a computer, of having windows as the central feature of an OS - which applies to both Mac and PC. Clunky and stupid. In Windows you can right click within a folder/directory and create many different types of files from a list that comes up automatically (depending on what programs you have installed; e.g., Word, Excel, etc). SO FAST.

Moving files is slow in Mac. In PC you can cut and paste really quickly; the set-up is much more visual and clean. The Mac OS X layout is clumsy and childish.

- Ugly Design

No, not the hardware, but the software. The Finder design when you open up folders/directories is ugly, unprofessional, and childish looking. You can't even take the Finder icon away from the Dock and hide it permanently.

- Menu Bar

The menu bar at the top is ugly as well and you can't really disable it.
 
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taptic

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Dec 5, 2012
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Seriously, I gave Mac a really good, long chance. But while I admire the beautiful screens and design, in the end, if you have a crappy OS X, the aesthetics are not enough. Here's my feedback, having been a lifelong PC user who switched to Mac for a year and back to Windows again (and never again to Mac).

- The Dock

The dock is clunky and does nothing compared with Windows taskbar. The taskbar lets you pin quickly (files, folders, program, anything), skip between working docs/programs/anything, autohides, and keep track of programs running in the background that you've minimalised that may not have an open window. If you like to work fast and multitask, I don't know how you can prefer Mac to PC if you have really, really tried using both. Hot Corners can't make up for the Mac's abysmal features for simply switching between programs quickly.

The taskbar also lets you show desktop with a quick click. You can go to the Start page from there as well, with just a click. EASY.

- File Management

You can't create files in folders in Mac. You have to actually go to the program, create a file, and save to the directory. To me this is a complete waste of the 'visual' approach of a computer, of having windows as the central feature of an OS - which applies to both Mac and PC. Clunky and stupid. In Windows you can right click within a folder/directory and create many different types of files from a list that comes up automatically (depending on what programs you have installed; e.g., Word, Excel, etc). SO FAST.

Moving files is slow in Mac. In PC you can cut and paste really quickly; the setup is much more visual and clean. The Mac OS X layout is clumsy and childish.

- Ugly Design. No, not the hardware, but the software. The Finder design when you open up folders/directories is ugly, unprofessional, and childish looking. You can't even take the Finder icon away from the Dock and hide it permanently.

- Menu Bar. The menu bar at the top is ugly as well and you can't really disable it.

Well, all that depends on the person. Some people think the dock is clunky, others like it and think the lack of a Windows 8 start button is clunky....

I personally think the software design on Macs is beautiful compared to some other systems.
 

ultra7k

macrumors 6502
Nov 9, 2012
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Here's my take on it coming from a life long PC user. I only made the switch in November of 2012 after having used MS DOS since 5.0 and Windows 3.1, and a Commodore 64 before that.

Like many school children from my generation, our first introduction to Macs were at school in a mandatory computer class. I think I must have been in grade 2 or 3 when they were introduced (c.1991-1993). At the time, having a home PC wasn't very common, and it was even rarer that someone had a Mac. I think maybe 1 kid had a mac in my class at home, and even then just a handful had PCs. I recall being one of the only few kids who knew my way around a computer, other than Kyle, the Mac kid.

At that age, the biggest use for the PC was gaming. Games, games games games games, and that would remain the focus for many years to come. Yet, as a grade 2/3 child, when we got to using Macs in class, we learned how to type, do spreadsheets and word process and use print shop pro (thanks Ms. Osborne!). We even fiddled around with Hypercards, and if we had spare time, we could play Sim City, Cross Country Canada, Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego, or Spelunk, Math Blaster or something.

From my perspective at the time, these games weren't that great. I could play Sim City at home, in colour, and the same for Carmen Sandiego. On top of that, I had to have a disk to save my work and games. Not quite the same as just being able to save it locally on a hard disk. Of course in retrospect I understand why this was the case.

As a kid the reasoning I had was that Apple computers were meant to be used at school, and PCs were meant to be used at home. I can distinctly recall getting excited that we would be able to use PCs at school upon entering secondary school, though our we did have some Macs in addition to PCs.

Anyways, it basically boiled down to: You can game on a PC, you can't on a Mac. I recall at one point in grade 11, one of my friends (who had always been in love with Macs) getting excited about getting the new iMac at the time. My friends were kind of putting him down because they were proclaiming what a piece of junk it was without having ever used it. I recall saying at the time, that they have their uses for graphics and such, (but my friend doesn't seem to recall me partially trying to defend him).

Basically for teenagers in the early millennium, Macs just weren't suitable for their gaming needs.

My older brother who worked in game development at the time also made a point of mentioning to me which games were graphically done on Macs and such, so I kind saw the other side of the coin as well at the time. On the flip side, we always used to make fun of Windows 95/98/98SE/ME (2000 was the only good one) even though we used those OSes day in and day out.

Fast forward to more modern times, I think a lot of the hate stems from the publicity that Jobs got, and the fact that some people absolutely detested his personality. That counts for a lot.

People that build PCs as enthusiast love to have control over their systems. Apple doesn't want that, so it is not difficult to see where tensions can arise. Furthermore, people make the claim "I can build a comparable system or better" for less argument, or they just also really like blue LEDs all over their tower. I'll admit to being part of the latter, because I always loved gaming. That being said, while there are some nice industrial designs out there for gaming towers, but a large majority a lot of them look tacky, and really plasticky.

Yet another point that I think sticks with hardware enthusiasts, is that there exists a segment of Apple fans that know absolutely nothing about hardware and components, and yet talk as if they do. This also bothers me.

Anyways to each their own. While I am equally comfortable in either platform, I still prefer Macs nowadays because I just don't game like I used to.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
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I think it depends on the use.

I am an Apple fanboy through and through. But I can't stand the iPhone, I get more done faster with Android.

I also can't stand custom built rigs. They are hideous and often need 5 tech support guys. But in my line of work I need to run Avid, and running it on either a custom rig, or a specialized rig from Avid, HP, or Dell means I'll get more done faster.

On the other hand, I've used both the Mac and PC to run Avid. Both rigs connected to ISIS storage systems, both rigs running various forms of Media Composer, iNews, Symphony, ProTools, etc. And without fail the PC will fly through whatever it is I need done, but a Windows problem, or driver issue will come up.

On the Mac, I won't have anywhere near the speed of a PC workstation, but I'll have the piece of mind.
 

Tech198

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Hate ?? That's a strong word :) (dislike would be better), but this post kind sounds anti-mac, not pro mac, at least till i read it.

I think its probably/should come more down to "What do you wanna use a computer for" To me, neither is either better or worse than the other...

Although Apple "appears" safer because they not a big a threat. While Apple long time users will "cloud cover this" and praise the lord, "It's Apple ... and nothing can go wrong." after which time they toss you an entire book novel on their website

One track mind maybe... but that's neither here nor there..

There's a point to both sides, and if it's just "I hate Mac's, but i'll throw small things in like lack of cut & paste in every file i want to cut", then i think they need to move on.

Apple does things slightly differently, and for good reason since its not on clipboard then where's the harm, even though technically it's a copy...

These small things really get people up-in-arms, to the extent, i just have to think, "try it" not for 1 day, not for 10 days, but give it at least a few month.

Go back to it, rather than give up.... But that's where most of this lies.... People just give up, and never go back......

But on the other hand, if their truly "single minded" stubborn, then maybe they are better of with Windows.

And then several years later they come on a Mac forum... lol That i'll never understand.

I do use Windows myself, but hardly ever... i just use it to play games :).. People may need Windows for Windows-only apps they use. The term would probably be "Well, if i only had a Windows machine." Well, there is always VM, and bootcamp for intel machines that can run them.

ie. i also agree about Apple fanboy bashing Windows users, however I'd also say it's equal....

Windows users do bash Apple allot more.

I bash neither :)
 
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MyMac1976

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Apr 14, 2013
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I've been a Apple user my whole life but I no longer think of myself as a Apple user. There was a time when being an Apple user had it's benefits but that is far less true today if at all anymore. Apple's computer HW is going in a direction I cannot, and the iStuff is just not for me. There just isn't anything appealing left in playground *shrug*

People generally don't "hate" Mac's they hate mac users we have in many ways gone out of our way to be reviled and the iStuff has made it worse.
 

Mousse

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Apr 7, 2008
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i also agree about Apple fanboy bashing Windows users, however I'd also say it's equal....

Windows users do bash Apple allot more.

I bash neither :)

I bash both.:p I can't stand fanbois, not the snobby Apple hipsters nor the Windoze corporate drones. I'm a fan of neither. I use what works. Apple works better for some things, Windows works better for others. Neither Apple nor Microsoft deserves my loyalty. As long as they have product that makes my work easier, they get my money.

As the both are trending towards a tablet/computer hybrid OS, it seems my money will be going elsewhere. Metro sucks. I like the WIMP (windows, icon, menu, pointer) UI. I can get work done with that UI. Unlike Metro, which sucks. For really serious work, I have access to the Command Line (best UI of all time, OF ALL TIME). Can't do any work with a crappy UI like Metro. Did I mention Metro sucks?:mad:
 

Tech198

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No source, its its just my own the number of times i've seen this generally from site to site.


Lets also say the fact since Macs now use Intel chips and they also run Bootcamp, you could then say they ARE are PC's, because they run Windows too.


If we are saying "we hate Mac's" then this day and age, then traditionally that also means we hate PC's too because of also this reason.

Mac's today are basically just PC components anyway. Unless we're talking about older PPC, we all have x86 instruction sets like the PC, can run Windows 'native' like a PC full speed.

In fact some Mac users I know only use their Mac's this way. They wipe of the Mac partition and grab a copy of Windows 7 and install. That's kind of bashing Apple since they just spend all that money with the intention to not use a Mac anyway, and a cheaper PC would have don the job, but it still works..

The only thing missing is the BIOS.

What are we talking about here? hardware, or software ?
 
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tobeornottobe

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Nov 4, 2013
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Because it brings horrible memories of how it used to suck before they started using Intel chips. It used to be slow with unfamiliar user interface. Most people never liked change so their perceptions never changed. Therefore they hate it as much as they used to. They never bothered to try learn something new so they miss out on amazing feature on the Mac. Also they are more expensive, the mainstream people only like mainstream products.
 

Tech198

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ok, so the reason has changed then...

people don't hate macs at all, they just hate what it was before Apple switched to Intel.

That's not an argument at all
 

MyMac1976

macrumors 6502a
Apr 14, 2013
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Because it brings horrible memories of how it used to suck before they started using Intel chips. It used to be slow with unfamiliar user interface. Most people never liked change so their perceptions never changed. Therefore they hate it as much as they used to. They never bothered to try learn something new so they miss out on amazing feature on the Mac. Also they are more expensive, the mainstream people only like mainstream products.

Remember it's hit, hit pass don't hog the whole thing
 

iPad Air

macrumors regular
Oct 24, 2013
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I'll comment on this one.

I've never considered a Mac until recently (when I got my BTO 17" MBP). Not because of Apple, or Mac, but because of the Apple Community.

There is such a huge portion of my interaction since the early 90s of this 'holier than thou / my crap don't stink' attitude that I never wanted anything to do with anything Apple related.

Now, I ended up with a MacBook Pro, simply because the only other thing close to it in form factor (the Razer Blade) would have cost me $1100 more than what I paid. I'll deal with the nose-in-the-air attitude for $1100 ;)

That said, I'm also glad to say that I've found that attitude isn't the overwhelming majority as I thought - it's simply (in my experience) the basic majority. I've met and talked with quite a few individuals since owning my MacBook Pro, that aren't obsessed fanboys, and it's quite refreshing.

Apple's hardware is simply superior to the vast majority of PC manufacturers.

OSX is what Linux could be with a strong guiding hand.

For me, it's a very luring combination (extremely nice hardware + UNIX? Yes, please.)

That said, it doesn't hurt that I hate Windows with a passion (long term Linux user here)

Man, I like what you said.

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I bash both.:p I can't stand fanbois, not the snobby Apple hipsters nor the Windoze corporate drones. I'm a fan of neither. I use what works. Apple works better for some things, Windows works better for others. Neither Apple nor Microsoft deserves my loyalty. As long as they have product that makes my work easier, they get my money.

As the both are trending towards a tablet/computer hybrid OS, it seems my money will be going elsewhere. Metro sucks. I like the WIMP (windows, icon, menu, pointer) UI. I can get work done with that UI. Unlike Metro, which sucks. For really serious work, I have access to the Command Line (best UI of all time, OF ALL TIME). Can't do any work with a crappy UI like Metro. Did I mention Metro sucks?:mad:

I'm not a wimpy person, I like Metro :D
 

6Million$Taco

macrumors newbie
Jul 5, 2014
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Why geeks or something hate macs

One of the main reasons why gamers or geeks or nerds hate macs, is that they have very little games compared to the PC. If I had a mac I couldn't play Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout 2, and many others. I only play video games on my computer, and I would have a pretty bad time if I was playing on a mac. Every game is made for PC, but only about half are for mac. For geeks and gamers, macs are for people who don't even know what a "Borderlands" or "Hotline Miami" is. And that's why people like me hate macs. I created this account just to tell you this actually. ALSO ADD ME ON STEAM MY USERNAME IS THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR TACO. OOOH. I JUST READ BESIDES VIDEO GAMEZ. Well. I think that's the only reason why people hate them. That's the only reason I hate them.
 
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One of the main reasons why gamers or geeks or nerds hate macs, is that they have very little games compared to the PC. If I had a mac I couldn't play Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout 2, and many others. I only play video games on my computer, and I would have a pretty bad time if I was playing on a mac. Every game is made for PC, but only about half are for mac. For geeks and gamers, macs are for people who don't even know what a "Borderlands" or "Hotline Miami" is. And that's why people like me hate macs. I created this account just to tell you this actually. ALSO ADD ME ON STEAM MY USERNAME IS THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR TACO. OOOH. I JUST READ BESIDES VIDEO GAMEZ. Well. I think that's the only reason why people hate them. That's the only reason I hate them.

But a Mac provides a tool to create paragraphs or breaks and would make your post easier to read.

But thanks anyway, it is good to know, why people hate instead of move on.

But then again, if no one would hate Macs, there wouldn't be that much fun in the YouTube comments. And people need to hate something else, otherwise they would realise, that they hate themselves.
And that would bring around the frocopqlypse (that last word is the word Mac OS X 10.8 changed my "frocalypse" to, automagically - now how can anyone hate that?).
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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One of the main reasons why gamers or geeks or nerds hate macs, is that they have very little games compared to the PC.

I don't think games are the reason why people hate Macs. That makes no sense, I know plenty of folks who opt to play games on the Mac and are fairly nerdy as well.
 

0000757

macrumors 68040
Dec 16, 2011
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Seriously, I gave Mac a really good, long chance. But while I admire the beautiful screens and quality hardware design, in the end, if you have a crappy OS X, the aesthetics are not enough. Here's my feedback, having been a lifelong PC user who switched to Mac for a year and back to Windows again (and never again to Mac). Note I don't do graphic design, programming, or gaming on my computers.

- The Dock

The dock is clunky and does nothing compared with Windows taskbar. The taskbar lets you pin quickly (files, folders, program, anything), skip between working docs/programs/anything, autohides, and keep track of programs running in the background that you've minimalised that may not have an open window. If you like to work fast and multitask, I don't know how you can prefer Mac to PC if you have really, really tried using both. Hot Corners can't make up for the Mac's abysmal features for simply switching between programs quickly. Okay, you can use the keyboard shortcuts to skip between programs and open windows, but this doesn't make full use of the 'visual' nature of windows-based OSs...which is why, again, having all your working windows visible and quickly accessible on the taskbar wins hands down. Note that in Mac you can also right click the App icon on the Dock to see open documents and programs but the Win layout when you choose 'Never Combine icons' under Taskbar>Properties means every single open window/document/program has its own icon on the taskbar, so you can access every working file/window with literally just one click.

The taskbar also lets you show desktop with a quick click. You can go to the Start page from there as well, with just a click. EASY. Hot Corners let you do the same thing but the windows remain at the top corner until you go to the hot corner again. You have to minimise them to mimic what the one-click motion in Windows achieves.

- File Management

You can't create files in folders in Mac. You have to actually go to the program, create a file, and save to the directory. To me this is a complete waste of the 'visual' approach of a computer, of having windows as the central feature of an OS - which applies to both Mac and PC. Clunky and stupid. In Windows you can right click within a folder/directory and create many different types of files from a list that comes up automatically (depending on what programs you have installed; e.g., Word, Excel, etc). SO FAST.

Moving files is slow in Mac. In PC you can cut and paste really quickly; the set-up is much more visual and clean. The Mac OS X layout is clumsy and childish.

- Ugly Design

No, not the hardware, but the software. The Finder design when you open up folders/directories is ugly, unprofessional, and childish looking. You can't even take the Finder icon away from the Dock and hide it permanently.

- Menu Bar

The menu bar at the top is ugly as well and you can't really disable it.

Your argument really doesn't sound like you've actually used Mac OS, or you're comparing in your head Windows 7 to Mac OS X 10.2.

As far as the Dock and Window Management, it's much more easy and streamlined than Windows's task bar. First off your description of the features of the taskbar in Windows are things that the Dock can also do. You can also pin almost anything to the Dock, skip between programs, autohide, and keep track of open programs that are minimized. It does it quite well, actually.

As far as window management, on Windows once you have many windows open, it actually becomes harder to manage. To sort through your windows the quickest way is to find that open application, right click it/drag up on the icon in the task bar, and find the window, and then click it. Turn off icon grouping and it's even more hell of sorting your windows. Not to mention Windows STILL has no multiple desktop capability baked in, something that's standard in just about every OS shipped at this point. Therefore you are restricted to keeping every single thing on one desktop making sorting even more complicated. On my Mac, I hit one button and instantly every single open window on my current desktop, every desktop I have set up, every full screen app, and my Dock all become visible. From there I can drag and drop windows and applications between desktops, see which programs are running, rearrange my workspaces, and find which window I want to open. If I'm working exclusively in one app and multiple windows are open, another simple gesture or keystroke pulls up only the windows from that application, and even gives me access to open recent documents from that application. It's MUCH more powerful than how Windows handles it, while at the same time being simpler for the end-user. Your statement about "not making use of the visual-ness" literally makes no sense.

For getting access to the desktop, it's a simple gesture on the trackpad or a simple keystroke and bam, your desktop is shown.

Concerning file management, the only valid point you make is the right-click to create a file. Moving files in Mac is just as easy and simple as it is in Windows. I can click on any file or multiple files, choose cut or copy (or do the keyboard command), go to where I want, and then paste them there. The speed of how long it takes larger files to copy will simply depend on my hard drive's speed.

Not to mention using Finder is literally like using a generic web browser. You can create tabs to save you from having to dig through a hierarchy or having many open finder windows. You have loads of different views to choose from, more than Windows. The way UNIX is organized itself is more user friendly than the standard NT setup (though that is opinion-based).

"Ugly" is simply your opinion and something I can't really deconstruct, but I don't think the UI is unprofessional at all. As far as the menu bar is concerned, it's where your main functions are stored. Windows is the only Desktop OS that doesn't use a top menu bar in fact. Windows chooses to store their menu functions in the application itself, which works OK. As far as hiding or disabling it, just go into full screen.

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As far as why people hate Apple and Macs, there's many variables, but my theory is that most people who hate Mac/Apple haven't ever really used their products to begin with or ever really spent time learning about the systems. There's also the group that does it because they have the need to feel superior, and others who do it just because it's the thing to do. Of course there are definitely people who may have a bad experience or just not like the UI/hardware. I find that those people however, don't ever actually say they hate Apple.
 

Silver78

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Honestly apple used to be crap...lack of software and expensive. Also hated in a time when computer was specs. in a beige box. ..and as said not really suited for gaming.

Now still expensive but with plenty of software and beautifull hardware....specs. Is almost secondary today as most new computers does the most anyway.

The iphone changed my view on apple products. And soon after i got a 120gb ipod.. Then an ipad..the a mbp and so on.

I used to say i would NEVER get a mac....today i say i will never get rid of my windows pc and now im old and can afford that mac i hated for their insane prices.
 
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