What do you think the origins are? Does it have to do with Apple's choice of (non)licensing model?
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Age old debate, seriously why do people hate macs/apple?
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What do you think the origins are? Does it have to do with Apple's choice of (non)licensing model?
No I don't think it's that specific. I've been an advocate for Apple gear for over two decades now. My feeling is that it's kind of metaphysical; it's Apple's counter-culture approach on everything.
Back then, you weren't supposed to be sitting in front of a computer if you didn't know your way around the command-line. The Mac just dynamited that concept and it irked the purists. But eventually Microsoft followed suit with Windows.
Fast forward to 2007 and you have all those who thought a phone without a physical keyboard was doomed (I'm talking about you, RIM!) and we all know what ensued.
Same with some folks in Redmond (not all of them though) who still seem to believe that the stylus is a must-have for a tablet.
Or all those who were calling for Apple to release a NetBook a few years ago.
Apple often refuses the technological 'common-sense' du jour and comes up with something different, superior most of the time. That just irks everyone else... But then they eventually ape it.
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There are lots of reasons, many of which have already been covered.
I've observed that people don't like change, even if sometimes the change is for the better. A few examples off the top of my head:
- I hate hate HATED when Microsoft changed the menu system in Office to the ribbon toolbar. I had already figured out where everything was, and it all got moved around. I STILL don't get it, even though the ribbon was supposedly designed to be much easier after lots of ergonomic studies and user surveys. I hear eventually people learn to love it, but I'm not there yet.
- I have Version 3 of a piece of fairly complex software package on my Mac. They have moved on to Version 4 and I am eligible to upgrade, but I won't, yet, because I'm quite happy with the version I already know how to use. Version 4 significantly changed things, and I just don't have the time or inclination to sit down and learn the differences.
- I was at Best Buy the other day and someone, obviously not a Mac user, wanted to quickly go online to look something up. I think this was his first interaction with an iMac. He opened a browser, started Googling, then said "Where the hell are the scroll bars on a Mac! God!" and walked away angrily. I wanted to call after him "You just use two fingers, it's so simple!" or something like that, but he was already gone. Another example of people not having the patience for something new and different. He couldn't figure it out instantly because it wasn't like what he already knew, and that was enough to turn him off. Even though it would have only taken 2 seconds to explain it, he didn't even have time for that.
Combine this with the typical Mac fanboy attitude of "What I have is SOOOOOO much better than that crap you've got!" and you can see where friction can develop.
I've observed that people don't like change, even if sometimes the change is for the better. A few examples off the top of my head:
- I hate hate HATED when Microsoft changed the menu system in Office to the ribbon toolbar. I had already figured out where everything was, and it all got moved around. I STILL don't get it, even though the ribbon was supposedly designed to be much easier after lots of ergonomic studies and user surveys. I hear eventually people learn to love it, but I'm not there yet.
- I have Version 3 of a piece of fairly complex software package on my Mac. They have moved on to Version 4 and I am eligible to upgrade, but I won't, yet, because I'm quite happy with the version I already know how to use. Version 4 significantly changed things, and I just don't have the time or inclination to sit down and learn the differences.
- I was at Best Buy the other day and someone, obviously not a Mac user, wanted to quickly go online to look something up. I think this was his first interaction with an iMac. He opened a browser, started Googling, then said "Where the hell are the scroll bars on a Mac! God!" and walked away angrily. I wanted to call after him "You just use two fingers, it's so simple!" or something like that, but he was already gone. Another example of people not having the patience for something new and different. He couldn't figure it out instantly because it wasn't like what he already knew, and that was enough to turn him off. Even though it would have only taken 2 seconds to explain it, he didn't even have time for that.
Combine this with the typical Mac fanboy attitude of "What I have is SOOOOOO much better than that crap you've got!" and you can see where friction can develop.
Serious question - why do you care whether anyone "hates" Apple products? Why does it make any difference to you?
You like them - fine. Others don't - also fine.
Serious question - why do you care whether anyone "hates" Apple products? Why does it make any difference to you?
You like them - fine. Others don't - also fine.
That is something I have wondered myself.
Probably the same reason that turn some peope into rabid sport fans.
I just don't function that way.
Perhaps I have a disfunctional brain.
That is something I have wondered myself.
Probably the same reason that turn some peope into rabid sport fans.
I just don't function that way.
Perhaps I have a disfunctional brain.
It's part of the marketing experience. These products are designed and marketed so we identify with them. We grow attached to them, we value them more highly than we might value other brands.
Once that happens we start to take it personally when others don't value the same things. When someone rejects the product, we get riled because on some level we feel like they've rejected us.
Or, in a different perspective, we think that this product is the best, most logical, most rational choice, and we're completely baffled when someone else doesn't draw the same conclusion. ("Why wouldn't you choose Apple/Pepsi/the home team/religion/etc?]")
Who's this we you're referring to ? That sure doesn't describe me.
I think all the "hate" is mostly perception. People that get "attached" to these inanimate objects tend to see criticism, no matter how objective and constructive, as hate, when it's just that, criticism. Nothing is perfect, not even Apple products.
The fact that we're both participating on a Mac forum suggests otherwise
And obviously there are different levels to which people feel (or don't feel) this attachment. The rabid fanboys and haters are clearly at opposite ends of this spectrum.Well, I never used the word "hate" (except when referring to the Office ribbon
) but yes, you're basically saying the same thing that I am.
The fact that we're both participating on a Mac forum suggests otherwise
I participate on a Mac forum not because of any kind of "attachment" or the fact that I "identify" with a product. I participate because I happen to own one at the moment. The day I get a Sony, Dell, or whatever else and have no more purpose to be here, I won't be here.
Again, who's this we you're referring to ? That sure doesn't describe me. Is it really hard to fathom that some people just don't have any kind of attachment to these things ?
No, I'm sure there are lots of people who don't have any kind of attachment to the products they buy. They're the ones quietly going about their business, using the tools that suit them best, not stirring up flamewars on forums and actively questioning the choices of others. We don't hear about them too much.
I like to think I'm one of them, too, but perhaps others disagree.
Serious question - why do you care whether anyone "hates" Apple products? Why does it make any difference to you?
You like them - fine. Others don't - also fine.
The problem is not that those people 'hate' Apple products, it's that such hate often translates into nastiness towards people who use/like the products.
You are undoubtedly correct.
No to oversimplify, but just ignore the *******s. To repeat, who cares what they think. I like Mac stuff, and if someone thinks they can insult me by crapping on Apple, they waste their time. I am not that thin skinned.
As I said - I like Apple stuff, good. They don't, also good (attempted insults notwithstanding.)
No, I'm sure there are lots of people who don't have any kind of attachment to the products they buy. They're the ones quietly going about their business, using the tools that suit them best, not stirring up flamewars on forums and actively questioning the choices of others. We don't hear about them too much.
I like to think I'm one of them, too, but perhaps others disagree.
Wait, weren't you saying like 2 posts ago that you "and some others included in your we" identified to these products ?
I don't hate Apple, they make some good stuff. What I do hate is the mentality that a lot of Apple users I've met seem to have. I get told all the time that my HP laptop is crap and that I should get a MBP for my graphic design work because they're somehow "better" (although no one can ever back that up with any facts). I think this is where a lot of what people see as Apple hate stems from.
^THIS
If this forum represents most Apple User's, then I am ashamed to own their products.
Like many people have said over and over, it seems like if its not apple its not right! Which is very, very wrong.
Ditto to both. I really laugh at the elitist attitude by some since Apple has become as common as the cold.
How so? OS X's dictionary tells me that one of the definitions for love (verb) is ' like very much; find pleasure in'.
For 'love affair' you'll find: 'an intense enthusiasm or liking for something'.
So why again is it a problem if someone finds pleasure in using (certain) Apple products?
How so? OS X's dictionary tells me that one of the definitions for love (verb) is ' like very much; find pleasure in'.
For 'love affair' you'll find: 'an intense enthusiasm or liking for something'.
So why again is it a problem if someone finds pleasure in using (certain) Apple products?
I really don't think the dictionary is thinking of the pleasure you're thinking.
I don't really have emotions towards the object. Is the task pleasant ? Sure. Is it pleasant because of the object ? Certainly not.
I really don't think the dictionary is thinking of the pleasure you're thinking.
So what kind of pleasure are they talking about then? One of the example sentences is 'I'd love a cup of tea'. Another one: 'his love for football'. A third: 'the great American love affair with the automobile.'Maybe you don't. Lots of people do though, and it isn't the problem you make it out to be.
Objects influence how pleasant it is to perform a task all the time.
By the way, haven't we had this discussion before?
I really don't think the dictionary is thinking of the pleasure you're thinking.
I don't really have emotions towards the object. Is the task pleasant ? Sure. Is it pleasant because of the object ? Certainly not.
KnightWRX seems like the type of person who would receive a brand new sports car for christmas and be like "Oh...yay. cool, I guess"
I'll quote myself. This was in response to a similar thread and obviously the person I was responding to displayed a level of snobbery that I despise in most Apple users.
In other words, people don't hate Apple, people hate the elitist-attitude users that brag about it everywhere. People don't hate the OS either because that is a matter of preference.
In other words, people don't hate Apple, people hate the elitist-attitude users that brag about it everywhere. People don't hate the OS either because that is a matter of preference.
No, I'd probably go out and drive the **** out of it. Same if I received a SUV, a CUV, a Compact, a Hatchback, or whatever.
I'm really a car/motorcycle guy, but it's not the object, it's the task itself.
Same for Skiing, who cares about Rossignol, Elan, Fischer. Throw 'em on and go on those slopes.
I don't care what computer I'm using, as long as it does what I need it to do.
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No, the discussion we've had is "using the OS" vs "performing tasks". I'm in the performing tasks category.
And yes, I do see developing a love affaire with a single vendor/model a problem. It shows you're not really into what you're doing, you're into the material aspect of it. More like "look at me, I have an Apple computer", rather than "Uh ? Don't disturb me, I'm kinda busy figuring out this Perl regexp for my systems automation script on my Unix box".
I don't consider myself a snobby apple user really and I think thats a bold generalization of apple users. 95% of the apple geeks I know could care less what product you buy. Of course I do know one who thinks apple is literally the best thing ever.
What just royally pisses me off however is PC fanboys who know jack crap about macs. Heck I saw a topic the other day about how macs can't right click >_>
Also, this may sound a little fan boyish but apple really does make the best stuff.
I mean they dominated the mp3 market with iPod, the phone market with the iPhone, the tablet market with iPad, and more and more people are switching over to mac computers.
Just look at a commercial for a droid, then an iPhone. I saw a droid commercial the other day that was literally just the droid phone in some sort of test chamber with robotic arms taking it apart. That was the entire commercial, it told me squat about the phone. Now look an iPhone commercial, it shows people doing daily things in their lives and them using the phone for those daily things, thats why apple is winning. Because people can see themselves doing those things.
What just royally pisses me off however is PC fanboys who know jack crap about macs. Heck I saw a topic the other day about how macs can't right click >_>
Also, this may sound a little fan boyish but apple really does make the best stuff.
I mean they dominated the mp3 market with iPod, the phone market with the iPhone, the tablet market with iPad, and more and more people are switching over to mac computers.
Just look at a commercial for a droid, then an iPhone. I saw a droid commercial the other day that was literally just the droid phone in some sort of test chamber with robotic arms taking it apart. That was the entire commercial, it told me squat about the phone. Now look an iPhone commercial, it shows people doing daily things in their lives and them using the phone for those daily things, thats why apple is winning. Because people can see themselves doing those things.