Apple is winning against Verizon ? I don't quite get where you're going here...
What is Apple winning against Verizon ? Verizon is a carrier, Apple is a phone vendor.
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Age old debate, seriously why do people hate macs/apple?
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Apple is winning against Verizon ? I don't quite get where you're going here...
What is Apple winning against Verizon ? Verizon is a carrier, Apple is a phone vendor.
What it allows you to do and how it allows you to do it depends to a certain extent on the computer though, that's the point (In practice at least let's not bring turing completeness or anything into the discussion). You can't "drive a 911" by sitting in an MX-5, unless you consider "driving a 911" to be the task of going from A to B in some kind of sports car. The difference is in the experience of actually performing the task. And I'm not saying you can't have fun or achieve your 'goal' in an MX-5, but there will be people who enjoy driving a 911 more than they enjoy driving an MX-5...No, I'd probably go out and drive the **** out of it. Same if I received a SUV, a CUV, a Compact, a Hatchback, or whatever.
I'm really a car/motorcycle guy, but it's not the object, it's the task itself.
Same for Skiing, who cares about Rossignol, Elan, Fischer. Throw 'em on and go on those slopes.
I don't care what computer I'm using, as long as it does what I need it to do.
What a load of BS. If you have had great experiences with a certain vendor/model (as some people have with Apple), it is not unnatural to develop an "intense enthusiasm or liking" for it.
1 - Apple's had a looooong history of only providing one button mouses/trackpads. Until recently (The first Aluminum MacBooks were the first trackpads to offer a real right-click functionality (Not two finger click, but setting it to a corner), and the issue with the Mighty/Apple mouse and the Magic Mouse is they're actually one big button, making it useless for dual-clicking), so I can see where he is coming from, but don't be frustrated about that. Let him be ignorant. You lived your life before with him thinking that, and your life is still normal now.
2 - But that's your opinion. In my opinion, Motorola makes some pretty nice cell phones, better than the iPhone, but that's my opinion. I think the new Vizio AIO is much sexier and nice than the iMac. It's all an opinion. Saying Brand A is better than Brand B & C can never be a fact.
3 - Because The Apple Ads Have never Been like that.
Sure, but a computer is not a car. Apple, Dell, HP, Sony, in the end, I can type out my code and run my web server, grab my e-mail and watch my videos while listening to music on pretty much all of them.
And yes, I can find the fun in a MX-5 as much as a 911. It'll just be a different kind of fun. I had plenty of fun in my Acura Integra, a different kind of fun in my Subaru WRX and now I'm having plenty of fun with my Mitsubishi RVR and my Harley-Davidson FXDB. In the end, the pleasure is being on the road, driving towards who knows where (I often just go out to drive with no particular destination, really, the wrong guy for that analogy, you can't win with this one with me, I really like driving, anything).
Nope, quite unnatural. I've had great experiences with plenty of vendors in the past, and I switched on a dime as soon as the next vendor offered something better. Brand loyalty and love of inanimate objects is quite a foreign concept to me. "What a load of BS" to you maybe, but that's your subjective view on it.
I frankly find that all this "emotion" based consumerism is the load of BS. Feel free to respect my opinion or not, I just don't really give a damn what you think.
This is exactly the point that is lost on so many blinded by love of their products. What works best is what makes the most sense every time, no matter who makes it. I save my emotions for the people I care about in my life.
I'll admit I've had some emotion/affection for certain cars I've owned, but when it came time to sell them to improve my situation, it was easy to do so. I love my little Subaru 2.5RS, but when I find something that works better for me, it's gone... yet I still love Subarus! Who loses? Nobody!
The jerk lady in tech support (white) lied to me, and raised her voice to me.
Consumer Relations (or whatever team it was I talked to) defended her actions.
That is why I hate Apple.
I chose not to return to Apple because they are dropping the professional (me), and love milking their customer for cash more than a fat kid loves his cake.
They don't offer anything I want/need, unless I paid over 2x the price of a competetor's product. At that point, I'd rather spend the money saved to keep my technology newer.
Consumer Relations (or whatever team it was I talked to) defended her actions.
That is why I hate Apple.
I chose not to return to Apple because they are dropping the professional (me), and love milking their customer for cash more than a fat kid loves his cake.
They don't offer anything I want/need, unless I paid over 2x the price of a competetor's product. At that point, I'd rather spend the money saved to keep my technology newer.
I don't know why either. It seems people hate Apple because they don't understand it. They think it's like a club that is too exclusive to buy into or something.
I also always hear complaints about price and you have to keep buying Apple products every year. Sometimes Macs are overpriced, sometimes not, but many people who buy Macs don't care about the raw specs as they do the OS.
Also, ignorance or just jumping onto the bandwagon is another thing I keep seeing. One of my friends complained that the iPhone is so expensive and that you have to replace it every year? I mean seriously. You can replace it whenever you want and one year is much longer than every few months other OEMs release phones. The guy also asked me, an iPhone user, why I would buy a phone for $700 when you can get an Android phone for free. Who says I bought my iPhone for $700? Most smartphones today have the same contract price and same plans so price isn't even an issue.
Haters are just as ridiculous as fanboys.
I also always hear complaints about price and you have to keep buying Apple products every year. Sometimes Macs are overpriced, sometimes not, but many people who buy Macs don't care about the raw specs as they do the OS.
Also, ignorance or just jumping onto the bandwagon is another thing I keep seeing. One of my friends complained that the iPhone is so expensive and that you have to replace it every year? I mean seriously. You can replace it whenever you want and one year is much longer than every few months other OEMs release phones. The guy also asked me, an iPhone user, why I would buy a phone for $700 when you can get an Android phone for free. Who says I bought my iPhone for $700? Most smartphones today have the same contract price and same plans so price isn't even an issue.
Haters are just as ridiculous as fanboys.
There are a lot of dynamics going on from my perspective.
The first exposure I had to Macs was via my mother when I was pretty young. She told me that they were these new, great things, and her greatest endorsement for Mac was that it wasn't necessary to know how to work a computer to use a Mac. That they were made for "dummies like me," she said. The context of this is that I was learning programming languages and tearing them apart, while she couldn't figure out how to program the VCR or reset the microwave clock.
I may be wrong, but I think that on at least some level, there is an issue of self-confidence amongst some Mac users, and that they feel that PC users think they're better/smarter than they and their fellow Mac users.
Another dynamic is the artists vs. IT admins, where a lot of ignorance on both ends combine for senseless animosity. I recall getting a Mac at a business, and the IT folks folding their arms and saying, "Well, YOU'RE on your OWN if that thing has problems. WE'RE not going to fix it, because it's not compatible with the REST of the infrastructure." I agreed, because I wasn't going to ask for their help anyway. There are a lot of IT idiots that think they're holy, but really don't know half of what they should.
Yet another dynamic is that created by Apple's marketing. They went out of their way to make IBM the evil empire that must be crushed. Then they went with "Think Different." (-ly! haha) More recently, it was the PC vs. Mac, with PC as a fail-nerd and Mac as a hip, down-to-Earth-effortlessly-cool guy. This seemed to really divide the two groups the most, in my opinion. PC users saw it (perhaps rightly-so) as an insult, and Mac users developed a sense of coolness in that I-was-into-this-band-before-they-were-mainstream snobbery.
It's really no wonder that the two groups fight so much. It's all amusing to me because I'm on both sides, so I benefit from knowing that any system or device can be superior if managed by someone that knows what they're doing. Whenever I see someone cheer Apple and taunt their competition, or vice versa, I lose a little respect for them no matter which flag they carry.
To me, arguing for PC vs. Apple is as lame as arguing over religion, race or sexual preference. It's wasted, negative energy you can never get back.
The first exposure I had to Macs was via my mother when I was pretty young. She told me that they were these new, great things, and her greatest endorsement for Mac was that it wasn't necessary to know how to work a computer to use a Mac. That they were made for "dummies like me," she said. The context of this is that I was learning programming languages and tearing them apart, while she couldn't figure out how to program the VCR or reset the microwave clock.
I may be wrong, but I think that on at least some level, there is an issue of self-confidence amongst some Mac users, and that they feel that PC users think they're better/smarter than they and their fellow Mac users.
Another dynamic is the artists vs. IT admins, where a lot of ignorance on both ends combine for senseless animosity. I recall getting a Mac at a business, and the IT folks folding their arms and saying, "Well, YOU'RE on your OWN if that thing has problems. WE'RE not going to fix it, because it's not compatible with the REST of the infrastructure." I agreed, because I wasn't going to ask for their help anyway. There are a lot of IT idiots that think they're holy, but really don't know half of what they should.
Yet another dynamic is that created by Apple's marketing. They went out of their way to make IBM the evil empire that must be crushed. Then they went with "Think Different." (-ly! haha) More recently, it was the PC vs. Mac, with PC as a fail-nerd and Mac as a hip, down-to-Earth-effortlessly-cool guy. This seemed to really divide the two groups the most, in my opinion. PC users saw it (perhaps rightly-so) as an insult, and Mac users developed a sense of coolness in that I-was-into-this-band-before-they-were-mainstream snobbery.
It's really no wonder that the two groups fight so much. It's all amusing to me because I'm on both sides, so I benefit from knowing that any system or device can be superior if managed by someone that knows what they're doing. Whenever I see someone cheer Apple and taunt their competition, or vice versa, I lose a little respect for them no matter which flag they carry.
To me, arguing for PC vs. Apple is as lame as arguing over religion, race or sexual preference. It's wasted, negative energy you can never get back.
Same. My first laptop back in the 90s was a Toshiba Satellite. Totally fine machine, had it for 2 years and just wanted something new. Sold it to a friend, bought an HP. Used that for 4.5 years - the screen ultimately burned out from 4.5 years of intense use (like gaming for 24 hours straight a few times, or almost entire weekends at a time). I simply bought a MacBook because at the time there wasn't as much of a price premium and tbh Dell screwed up my payment processing (so did Apple actually, but they worked out in the end).
Been using my MacBook ever since. I've enjoyed it greatly, but I highly doubt I'm going to stick with a Mac come upgrade time. I'll probably keep the MacBook as a side machine or a download rig, but I still enjoy the occasional game and I've been stuck without some real hits (SC2, Portal 2 and the upcoming Diablo 3 all won't run on my laptop) that I want access to. Even exploiting my old university edu pricing puts me at $1699-1999+ for an Apple laptop that can moderately play games (if I stick with a laptop). I can find much better bang for my buck from Lenovo, Dell, ASUS, HP, or building my own PC. Nothing against Apple, just a recent grad who works at a non-profit and doesn't have 2k to blow on a machine.
Went to the bookstore today and a sales lady was telling a customer that the Nook does everything the iPad does at half the price, and that the only difference was that it didn't have a camera.
did she whisper under her breath that she also hates Apple?
Went to the bookstore today and a sales lady was telling a customer that the Nook does everything the iPad does at half the price, and that the only difference was that it didn't have a camera.
So what? What is your point?
Nah, but I figure it's this kind of misinformation that drives people to the "everything Apple makes is overpriced" bandwagon. It's a cultural thing.
True, but Apple applauds itself on its customer service, as opposed to some companies that just don't care.
Personal preference blown out of proportion.
Some just enjoy being negative. Some feed their egos by hating.
Most that go on & on about one brand or another, do so to boost their self esteem.
Such a waste of time
Some just enjoy being negative. Some feed their egos by hating.
Most that go on & on about one brand or another, do so to boost their self esteem.
Such a waste of time
I don't hate Apple even though my friends who are devout Apple followers try to claim that I am Apple hater. I dislike certain things about Apple for one thing design, Apple can make aesthetically pleasing thing but the designs lack practicality.
iPhone 4 design: looks beautiful but it is glass on the front and back because it is a shiny surface it slips out your hand and is bound to be dropped because of it the problem with glass of any kind is that when it is dropped it shatters. Not everyone has had the durability problems of the iPhone 4/4s but it is still major problem that needs to be addressed in the next version of the iPhone. Having to put a case on something that is so nice looking is a shame.
aluminum Macbook pro: this is one of the better Apple designs. Aluminum is thin, light, and durable, but the entire body including the bottom and the back is also Aluminum, which is a recipe for disaster. The Macbook Pro has several well known heating problems and it still suffers from this. So I hope Apple incorporates a new heat dissipation, cooling, and venting system in the next Macbook Pro
iPod Touch and iPod Classic: definitely an area Apple needs to overhaul the back of gets tons of fingerprints and it scratches too easily. Look pretty ugly. As an iPod Classic owner I know this design flaw way too well.
and the list of design flaws goes on. Too many to count
Features
I don't like how iPhones, iPads, and iPods don't have expandable storage that is a key feature because I move files from cameras, cellphones, and other devices constantly having Microsd simply makes it easier. I like having removable batteries because it helps me be more productive. I also don't like how Apple doesn't include hdmi in their laptops or various other features.
Price
I don't like the price of Apple products not because they price their stuff high but because they often never make their products worth their premium. A macbook pro prices range from 1000-3000 dollars I could get myself one hell of a workstation/business class laptop with military grade durability and amazing performance for that price or a great multimedia laptop like a Sony Vaio s with good performance, build Quality and design for less money.
Fanboys
I hate fanboys of any kind but Apple Fanboys are particularly annoying and make nearly every tech discussion an unpleasant. I also hate how every tech discussion turns into one about how Apple is better or how the average user like Apple better well Sometimes I don't want to hear about them and a lot of times they make annoying thread like this.
iPhone 4 design: looks beautiful but it is glass on the front and back because it is a shiny surface it slips out your hand and is bound to be dropped because of it the problem with glass of any kind is that when it is dropped it shatters. Not everyone has had the durability problems of the iPhone 4/4s but it is still major problem that needs to be addressed in the next version of the iPhone. Having to put a case on something that is so nice looking is a shame.
aluminum Macbook pro: this is one of the better Apple designs. Aluminum is thin, light, and durable, but the entire body including the bottom and the back is also Aluminum, which is a recipe for disaster. The Macbook Pro has several well known heating problems and it still suffers from this. So I hope Apple incorporates a new heat dissipation, cooling, and venting system in the next Macbook Pro
iPod Touch and iPod Classic: definitely an area Apple needs to overhaul the back of gets tons of fingerprints and it scratches too easily. Look pretty ugly. As an iPod Classic owner I know this design flaw way too well.
and the list of design flaws goes on. Too many to count
Features
I don't like how iPhones, iPads, and iPods don't have expandable storage that is a key feature because I move files from cameras, cellphones, and other devices constantly having Microsd simply makes it easier. I like having removable batteries because it helps me be more productive. I also don't like how Apple doesn't include hdmi in their laptops or various other features.
Price
I don't like the price of Apple products not because they price their stuff high but because they often never make their products worth their premium. A macbook pro prices range from 1000-3000 dollars I could get myself one hell of a workstation/business class laptop with military grade durability and amazing performance for that price or a great multimedia laptop like a Sony Vaio s with good performance, build Quality and design for less money.
Fanboys
I hate fanboys of any kind but Apple Fanboys are particularly annoying and make nearly every tech discussion an unpleasant. I also hate how every tech discussion turns into one about how Apple is better or how the average user like Apple better well Sometimes I don't want to hear about them and a lot of times they make annoying thread like this.
For many people its an emotional investment and being such they put emotion into a multibillion dollar corporation, be it apple, MS, or whom ever.
I've stated this before, I buy the product that best fits my needs. If that's an apple MBP, great, if that's a windows phone or an android tablet - great. It should not be a holy war that some seem to make it out to be